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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1897 Benz Vis-a-Vis Special
Another puzzling photo from Pär Sörliden (Sweden) of imported vehicle, possibly modified there. Suggestion a Daimler? --  Looks a bit like a Canstatt but enclosed rear wheel hub and third row of seats.  Ariejan Bos advises this has elliptical springs not transverse and control levers on steering, so is c1897 Benz Victoria/Mylord vis-a-vis with many mods; lowered chassis via bent front-back chassis bars, possibly flat engine moved forward and wagonnette rear additional seats. Very unusual car.

c1897 Benz Vis-a-Vis Special

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1901 Panhard & Levassor Tonneau
Another interesting period photo from Anthony Sparling (UK). Reigate was his old stamping ground  in 1950/60s and has found a picture of a wonderful looking car with what looks like a single headlight. -- Reigate has the main A217 to Brighton. Our Ariejan Bos advises from
asymmetric location of the crank handle the car is a cca 1901 Panhar& Levassor Tonneau, protection plate and front axle correct, but bonnet is more the racing type with its all-flat top and sides, poss airbrushed.

1901 Panhard & Levassor Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Probably 1904 Corre 8HP Tonneau
Our member Michel Gosset (France) spotted this photo on a French facebook page. -- Very interesting photo because although looking like Renault, this could well be a cca 1904 Corre 8HP Tonneau Special, about which a lawsuit was fought with Renault, which Corre lost and had to sell company. However most interesting is that the wheels seem to have unique pivoted sprung spokes, each compressing. Experiments with 'sprung wheels' were common, no previous record found of this type. 

Probably 1904 Corre 8HP Tonneau

DENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905 Rolls-Royce 10 HP Two Seater
Smallish photo fro our Member Andrew Randall (UK) who is a keen Aston Martin owner, asking if we can identify car? --  Yes, this is a well known car photographed outside the Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester. This is a development of the Decauville originally owned by Henry Royce, one of three Royce prototypes. This is the later cca 1905 Rolls-Royce 10 HP Barker Park Phaeton, with triangular rad and bonnet, water-cooled twin-cylinder engine of 1800 cc. 16-17 made, 4 survive.

1905 Rolls-Royce 10HP Barker Park Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Osterfied 18HP Tourer
Another interesting photo received via Mark Dawber of one posted on Facebook by John Davies (UK) looking for info.
-- Badge on  rad reads Osterfield, Reg is 1906, identified as 1907? 18HP? Tourer, but limited info on this 'British' car. Seems under the auspices of Douglas S Cox of West Norwood, a 'Motor Dealer' but not known if 'manufacturer'. Listed two models, a 19.6 four and 40HP eight. Previously had The Emerald 4HP Voiturette 1903-4. Bought Weller fatory where in 1904 Autocarrier three wheeler (AC Cobra!) started life,  and made  Osterfield 1906-09.   

1907 Osterfied 18HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Gobron Brillie 12'20CV Torpedo
Puzzling photo from Pär Sörliden (Sweden) we advised as Unknown WW1 Tourer on HP 161. Par subsequently researched the company in background suggesting car owner was Karl Lindblom who had a Gobron car?  --  'Gobron' followed on from Gobron Brillie, an advanced French maker of large cars, Paris 1898 to 1930. Very few pictures of Gobron passenger cars exist but much searhing and help from Ariejan Bos, we are now relatively sure this is cca 1912 Gobron Brillie 12'20CV Torpedo

1912 Gobron Brillie 12'20CV Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Pescatore 30HP Tractor
Facebook photo from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) asking ID. Napier? -- No. Third incarnation of the Belgian Pieper (hybrid!) vehicle1901/3.  Patents taken over 1906 by Belgian Auto-Mixte petro-eclectic vehicles; and renamed in 1912 as Pescatore, largely for commercial vehicles; bodied in UK by Hora. This one is a cca 1913 Pescatore Auto Mixte 30HP 5Ton Tractor pulling a Vogt & Demeuse detachable 5 birth Auto-Salon for Baron de Crawhez designed for safaris trough Algeria and Morocco.

1913 Pescatore 30HP Tractor and Auto-Salo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 NAG K Series Doppelphaeton
Interesting photo received from Rafal Dzbikowicz (Poland?) who would very much appreciate if we could identify this car. Unfortunately he has no details about it. -- The stamp on the photo is unclear but suggests the stamp may have something to do with Vilnius in Lithuania. This car was made in Berlin, Germany by Neue Automobil-Gesellschaft originally owned by AEG in 1902, later NAG-Protos. This is cca 1913 NAG K Series Doppelphaeton. K series had six sizes from 10'14 to 50'60HP, 1912-14.

1913 NAG K Series Doppelphaeton.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Ford Model T Touring
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK) was given this photo by  one of his
vintage Ford friends. Any idea on car on the right? -- Lovely period photo of a tatty car and bicycle workshop. Not much of the car on right is visible but this one has an obvious transverse spring and angular bonnet. This is pre 1916 when bonnets became rounded, and has a smaller rad in height. The scuttle has a small step in it suggesting this is cca 1913 Ford Model T with a British body and probably 4 seat Touring.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 LGOC B Type Double Decker Bus
Another request for identification from our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a post requiring naming of vehicle. Sorry mall photo. Marked as Kent -- Seems to be the 'Old Black Horse' Public House in Sidcup which is in Kent, SE of London. The Bus on the right of the photo appears to have a London CC registration LF 8183 which is likely early 1913. The bus is on route 21 and is a cca 1913 LGOC B Type Open-top Double Decker Bus number B1383. Many were used in WW1.

1913 LGOC B Type Open-top Double Decker Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Humberette 8HP Two-Seater
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK) was given this photo by  one of his
vintage Ford friends. Any idea on car on the left? -- Unusual view of the car with the bonnet removed and no sign of numberpate which may have given an idea as to dating. But photo does immediately give a couple of rather obvious clues, it is a cyclecar with a transverse spring. Cyclecars were a sector of economical motoring lasting over 10 years. This is British air cooled cca 1914 Humberette V2 8HP Two-Seater.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Rover 6HP Registered 1914
Part of photo received from Julian Godridge (UK)  asking if we could help to identify his great grandad's car please.  -- Photo was a bit distorted so we corrected. Car is British, made in Coventry and was register4ed at London CC in late spring 1914 which is a bit strange because the production of the model stopped 1911-12. Probably previous owner wanted to keep the original numberplate. The car has normal front springs, rather than transverse, so is a  6HP Rover Tourer

Rover 6HP Registered 1914

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917 McCurd 5 Ton Charabanc
Another request for identification from our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand). Marked as Bedfordshire. -- A 'charabanc' (from French 'cart with benches' for shooting parties) and later a name for early motor-coaches without roof or sides/windows, popular for works and church outings. The make is British, from Holborn, London, this one with a Middlesex registration is a cca 1917 McCurd 5 Ton Charabanc. One survivor on annual Commercial Brighton Run as  Tate & Lyle  Van.

1917 McCurd 5 Ton Charab

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 AEC/LGOC Type K Bus 
Another request for identification from our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a post requiring naming of vehicle. -- Registration seems XC 8050  which is London County Council c July 1920. This is an open top double decker bus in transit past the Black Horse in Sidcup to Bexley on Route 407 and is a cca 1920 LGOC Type K. This range followed the LGOC X Type and B Type from 1919 and was in general use in London and surrounding areas by LGOC until about 1931.

1920  AEC Type K Open-top Double-decker Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Standard 11'14 SLO Saloon 
Blurry photo via our Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK) from Member Jon Quiney wondering what car his Grandfather is standing by. Pre 1920? -- The car is English from Coventry, having undergone financial problems and being sold to Triumph Cycle Co just pre WW1. From open sided rad (1919+), header above bonnet and big flag, four louvres, big car so this is the cca 1922 Standard 11'14 Standard Saloon, 1944cc four, These were made 1922 to 1926,  also known as SLO4 13.9.

1922 Standard 11'14 SLO Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Gwynne-Albert 14'40 Tourer
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hoto received from
our Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK) wondering what the car in the crowd with a 'Rolls-Royce' type radiator was,  and where. -- He then provided the 'where', it is in Tunbridge Wells. The vehicle is a cca 1922 Gwynne-Albert Tourer. Registration is Kent CC. Albert used Gwynne engines and were taken over by Gwynne in 1920. Probably the later 14'40 1944cc car rather than the earlier 11.9 car, as it seems to have semi-eliptics. No front brakes so is pre 1925.

1922 Gwynne-Albert 14'40 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Ford Model T Pickup
Large photo received from
Neil Jones (UK) taken looking south west down Rownhams Road in North Baddesley, near Southampton, Hampshire. -- Vehicle is in the far distance but fortunately, the vehicle has transverse front spring, rounded rather than angular bonnet and from rear window appears to be a pickup. The scuttle is curved and windscreen is rectangular. All suggests a cca 1924 Ford Model T Pickup, Would seem Ford body. Registration too blurred so no help with dating.

1924 Ford Model T Pickup

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Essex Six Coach
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hoto received from
our Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK) wondering what is car on right. Hudson? Picture seems taken in Croydon, London. -- Car  was made by Hudson organisation, but is a cca 1925 Essex Six Coach, possibly assembled in England at Acton Vale by Hudson-Essex Motors of GB Ltd. Hudson introduced Essex as a cheaper version of the Hudson in 1919. Essex was eventually replaced in 1932 by Terrapalane. Essex had pointed rad, badge various colours, six sides.

1925 Essex Six Coach

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Triumph 494 Model P Combination
Small blurry photo via our Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK) from Member Jon Quiney wondering what the motorcycle his G
randmother is on while on a holiday in Cornwall c1928?  -- The registration is blurred, IW or JW which is Londonderry or Wolverhampton. Our motorcycle sleuth Chas advises motorcycle is a cca 1925 Triumph Model P of 494cc capacity which has a sidecar attached. The Model P debuted at the 1924 Motorcycle Show and was produced for next decade in N/ Q/ QA forms.

c1925 Triumph 494cc Model P Combination

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Delage 14'40 DI Saloon
Another request for identification from our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a post by James Tworow requiring naming of vehicle. -- Registration seems YV which is London County Council early 1928. The Car is French, made in the suburbs of Paris. It has front brakes so is after 1925 and has the cross braced headlamp mounts which signify a cca 1926 Delage 14'40 DI Saloon 2.1L four. Possibly Lalique rad mascot. Handbrake obviously suspect as needs two bricks.

1926 Delage 14'40 DI Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 Albion LK37 Dropside Lorry
Another request for identification from our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a post requiring naming of vehicle. Sorry mall photo. -- This photo has been featured on many websites relating to photos about Christmas. Santa Claus/Saint Nicholas is standing on the roof of a Scottish made cca 1927 Albion LK37 Dropside Lorry made in Glasgow, giving presents in variously named Hoxton /Hackney/ Leytonstone (NE London)  Children's Mission, but not the ID of the lorry.

1927 Albion LK37 Dropside Lorry

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 Louis Chenard Saloon
Our regular contributor to the Gallery Pages, and member Michel Gosset (France) spotted this photo on a French facebook page and was puzzled as to make. -- A rather bent automobile, not immediately obvious although the name is quite clearly visible on the radiator. Looks French, and defined by our Fer Cools as a cca 1927 Louis Chenard Saloon, probably the 10HP, made in Colombes. No connection with Chenard & Walcker of Paris. Cars were made between 1920 and 1932 low volume.

1927 Louis Chenard Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 Willys Overland Whippet Touring
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lurry photo via our Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK) from Member Jon Quiney wondering what the car his Uncle had
on a holiday in Cornwall c1928? -- The car is not English but American, from Toledo, some assembled in UK by Crossley in Stockport, others imported by Anglo-American. The model was introduced in 1926 as a four and later six, and ceased 1931. This one was registered YE 9730 at London CC issued January 1927 and is cca 1927 Overland Willys Whippet Touring.

1927 Willys Overland Whippet Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Mercedes Benz Lo2000 Lorry
Another request for identification from our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a post requiring naming of vehicle.  Marked as London. -- Not a Mercedes duble decker bus or trick photo, but a lorry in front of a bus. Registration seems XY 1925  or YY 1932 , but as has newly introduced 'Diesel' engine has to be YY, which is London CC and the vehicle seems to be a cca 1932 Mercedes Benz Lo2000 Dropside Lorry, probably as rare  in London as the giraffe !  Olympia Exhibition.

1932 Mercedes Benz Lo2000 Lorry

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1938 Standard 8HP Saloon
Bit of a fuzzy photo received from Fred W. Kennedy, a historical author from (Jamaica) who is
writing a biography of his father, Luis Fred Kennedy (1908-1982). Book will be published Feb 2022. Could we identify the car taken in late 1930s, belonged to his mother, Lydia Kennedy, who moved to Jamaica in 1937. Is is a Morris Minor 1937? -- No, It is British, from Coventry, no louvres on bonnet, no rear spare, the ensign 'flying' on the rad, denotes a cca 1937 Standard 8HP Saloon.

1938 Standard 8HP Saloon
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