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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1903 Peerless Model F 16HP Tonneau 
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from friend Tim in USA asking for identification. -- Our Ariejan Bos advises he was puzzled, perhaps European, but realized that on one side of the radiator he could see small tubes connected with tubular cooler pack. It has a reservoir on top. As far as he is aware, only one make had a rad that looks like this, and this would be a cca 1903 Peerless Model F 16HP Rear Entrance Tonneau Twin Cylinder made in America, Cleveland Ohio.

1903 Peerless Model F 16HP Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1903 Clement Rear Entrance Tonneau 
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand).
Any thoughts on the car? -- Lovely photo of a biggish car with humpy radiator which also has a frame round the matrix core. This is indicative of a bigger French cca 1903 Clement Rear Entrance Tonneau, probably the 12'16. Adolphe Clement had Dunlop agency and started making Panhard & Levassor under licence in 1903 taking name Clement Bayard 1904. Had a company in the UK, became Clement Talbot, later Talbot.

1903 Clement Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904 Germain 16'20 32-Seater Bus 
Similar puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from an internet forum asking for ID. Is it a steamer? -- Although identified on some websites as a 'steamer', this is actually petrol engined cca 1904 Germain 16'20 32 Seater Bus made by Belgian 'Germain', at that time third most popular in London at 13, operated by second biggest operator London Road Car Co. Steamer busses by Clarkson Chelmsford looked similar and were later operated by LRCC and Natnl Stem Car Co.

1904 Germain 16'20 32-Seater Double-Decker Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904 De Dion Bouton 12CV Type S 
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a n internet forum asking for identification
of vehicles? -– Lovely photo depicting a relatively modern looking garage and a couple of nice cars without registration plates. Perhaps posed later? The car on the left is a French cca 1904 De Dion Bouton 12CV Type S which had a two cylinder 1728cc engine. Introduced 1904. ID pointers are stubby dumb-irons, latches on louvre plate and starting handle top of rad, filler by scuttle. 

1904 De Dion Bouton 12CV Type S

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904 Wolseley 8HP Surrey
Lovely photo received from DavidA (UK) from an internet forum asking for identification of car. No information supplied with the photo.
--  The wrap round radiator is immediately identifiable as a Wolseley, but model identifiers are the drag link being forward of the front axle and the car having a scuttle tank. This one is a cca 1904 Wolseley 8HP Surrey which was provided with a two cylinder water cooled engine with coil ignition, cone clutch drive to rear wheels being by twin chains.

1904 Wolseley 8HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907 Griffon 493cc Motorcycle
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand), bike is c1907 Griffon? -- Indeed seems a cca 1907 Griffon 493cc Motorcycle powered by a 3.5HP Vee Twin made by Zedel.  Griffon was one of France's oldest makes based in Courbervoie Paris. Company started by Eugene Peugeot in1898 making bicycles, then motorcycles 1902 using Swiss Zedel engines. Zedel moved to France and became biggest auto maker. Griffon merged with Peuogeot making motorcycles until 1956.

1907 Griffon 493cc Motorcycle

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907 Darracq  25/30 HP Landaulette
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from an internet forum asking for identification.
Thinks this may be Darracq. -- Yes, a French Paris, Suresnes, made cca 1907 Darracq Landaulette, one of larger models, likely 25/30 HP. Darracq went through the early period with myriads of rad shapes. This shape prior to the lower dip for the badge was used for only year and for the bigger cars in range. English Darracq became STD Motors> Roots>Chrysler, - now Peugeot.

1907 Darracq  25/30 HP Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909 Rover 20HP Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a n internet forum asking for identification
of vehicles? -– Lovely photo depicting a relatively modern looking garage and a couple of nice cars without registration plates. Perhaps posed later? The car on the right is a British cca 1909 Rover 20HP Tourer, introduced 1907 as the production version of the 1906 TT Winner. This had a 3251cc four cylinder 20 HP engine. Smaller 15HP had shorter bonnet with no louvres

1909 Rover 20HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909 Rover 20HP Open Tourer
Interesting photo from Premp Memp (UK) asking for ID of a late 1900s car
? -– Slightly pixly photo depicting a grand car in Britain with a 'British look' rounded scuttle with possibly a filler cap, with British style bonnet lifting handle,  an unusual half round kick plate and, what is a clincher, was a lack of obvious dumb irons at the front which suggested a transverse spring. This all adds up to nice British cca 1909 Rover 20HP Open Tourer. 3251cc four, made 1907-1910  based on 1906 TT winner.

1909 Rover 20HP Open Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911 Daimler 15HP Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from an internet forum asking for identification of car. Postcard from the town of Thames in NZ which says on back "Reunion Day, Victoria Park, Thames' with no date.
-- Car is tucked away in amongst the crowd and the carts so not very clear or many visible identification features to be accutate on dating. From the fluted radiaator top and central scuttle horn it is a cca 1911 Daimler 15HP Tourer, no horns fitted after 1914.

1911 Daimler 15HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1912 Optima Landaulette
Another photo received from DavidA (UK) 
from a forum of old photos asking for identification. No background on photo. -- Identified by our Ariejan Bos as a very unusual car indeed, a French rarity. He has a 'Le Monde' picture of same/similar car in every detail on the 1912 Tour de France, this being described as a French cca 1912 Optima Landaulette. It was the only one in the trial but became disqualified due a broken drive shaft. Not in Georgano but apparently made 1910/1912. Badged?

1912 Optima Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913 Russo-Baltique Kegresse
In the process of researching my article on  Lenin's Rolls Royce  I came across this photo of a car labelled " Tsar's Rolls Royce with tracks-- A
mazing mount of rubbish and totally wrong mis-information is continuing to be disseminated by 'first ranking' internet organizations without anybody fully bothering to check if the facts are actually true or accurate. This is actually a Russian made cca 1913 Russo-Baltique Kegresse Autochenille with tracks  developed by Adolphe Kegresse.

1913 Russo-Baltique Kegresse

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Probably 1913 Singer 15 Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a n internet forum asking for identification
of vehicles? -– Blurry photo depicting a pre-WW1 car in front of a building with the name Settlers Arms Hotel which seems to have been in a mainly Scandinavian area of Dannevirke in the north island of New Zealand. Car is difficult,  not likely the suggested Wolseley but as has a protruding rad header tank our Ariejan Bos thinks probably cca 1913 Singer 14 or 15 Open Tourer.

Probably 1913 Singer 15 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1919 FIAT 501 Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from an American Silent Film "Hearts of the World" made in 1918 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about an American living in rural France wooing local girl when WW1 intervenes. -- Blurry photo difficult to investigate. This seems Italian car with post WW1 features, but film supposed to have been shot in 1918. From radiator, low headlights and squarish front mudguards we recon the car is a cca 1919 Fiat 501 Torpedo or the slightly larger 505?

1919 FIAT 501 Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1919 GN 10HP Cyclecar
Another interesting photo received from DavidA (UK) asking for identification of vehicles. -- Confusing photo if taken in UK because all cars have reg. numbers which precede the vehicle by decades. The car in the centre is British with a registration of D729 which is Kent County Council 1905 whereas headlamp and radiator advise a cca 1919 GN 10HP Cyclecar from firm started by Messrs Godfrey and Frazer-Nash and sold to British Gregoire after WW1. Licence sold to Salmson in France.

1919 GN 10HP Cyclecar

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920 Sizaire Berwick 25'50 Tourer
Another interesting photo received from DavidA (UK) asking for identification of vehicles. -- Confusing photo if taken in UK because all cars have reg. numbers which precede the vehicle by decades. The car on left is French, reg A 3###, London CC 1904, but radiator design advises this is a cca 1920 Sizaire Berwick 25'50 Tourer made by Sizaire Brothers after they left Sizaire Naudin in France and joined Fredrick Berwick in England. Radiator change 1919 due dispute with Rolls-Royce.

1920 Sizaire Berwick 25'50 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920 Overland Model 4 Touring
Another interesting photo received from DavidA (UK) asking for identification of vehicles. -- Confusing photo if taken in UK because all ars are have reg. numbers which precede the vehicle by decades. The car on the right was a popular small American car, has registration A 272 which would have been early 1904 whereas the car is a cca 1920 Overland Model 4 Touring. Front/rear suspension is triangulated transverse spring largely covered by curving front valance of the car.

1920 Overland Model 4 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920 FIAT 504 Open Drive Landaulette
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian film "Girolimoni, il mostro di Roma" (The Assassin of Rome) and where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Gino Girolimoni, wrongfully accused of child murders in Rome between 1924 and 1928. -- The car is in the shadows so difficult to be precise. It is an early FIAT with a painted radiator shell and a useful pointer is the headlights are electric. This is probably the 1920 FIAT 504 Open Drive Landaulette or perhaps the fixed Limousine.

1920 FIAT 504 Open Drive Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1921 FIAT 505 Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian film "Girolimoni, il mostro di Roma" (The Assassin of Rome) and where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Gino Girolimoni, wrongfully accused of child murders in Rome between 1924 and 1928. -- The car is quite dark so difficult to be precise. It is an early FIAT with a chromed ovalish radiator shell and useful pointer is the low level of the bonnet hinge and electric headlights. This is probably the  1921 FIAT 505 Torpedo Tourer.

1921 FIAT 505 Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923 Citroen 5CV Trefle Special
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian film "Girolimoni, il mostro di Roma" (The Assassin of Rome) and where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Gino Girolimoni, wrongfully accused of child murders in Rome between 1924 and 1928. -- The car is French from the 5CV range of Citroens. It is however a 'special' and would not have looked like this in period. The front wheels are wrong and the back seat is unoriginal. It probably started out life as a cca 1923 Citren 5CV Trefle.

1923 Citroen 5CV Trefle Special

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923 Lanchester 40 Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a n internet forum asking for identification
of vehicles? Initial thought Studebaker, later suggestion a Lanchester. -– Blurry photo depicting a pre-WW1 car crossing a demolished bridge on Larry's Creek in floods of 1926, south island New Zealand. And indeed the car seems to be a cca 1923 Lanchester 40 Tourer which at the time was more expensive than a Rolls-Royce. Lanchester made the first British four-wheel car in 1896.

1923 Lanchester 40 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1931 Austin 20 New Carlton 
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from an internet forum asking for identification of car.
Thinks this may be British, and a cca 1932/33 Standard, - but number of louvres is wrong? -- Took some searching by number of our experts, suggested as possibly American?  Eventually determined it was indeed British, but competing with Buick, being a cca 1931 Austin 20 which had a short-wheelbase 'New Carlton' with nine louvres x 2, and a similar 'Whitehall' with 10'2.

1931 Austin 20 New Carlton 

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1934 Ford Model Y Saloon
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK) seems to be on the lookout for unusual cars, this one found on a Ford website, but is it a Model Y? -- Very small pixly picture difficult to make out. From a distance it could be the Russian GAZ M'ka but the louvres were full length. Two pointers to UK, registration seems to be UK Kent County Council March 1934 and the nearside headlight seems to have a wartime blackout mask. The rad looks a bit odd because it has roll-up radiator blind fixed in two halves.

1934 Ford Model Y Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1934 Talbot AV105 Coupe des Alpes
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK) seems to be on the lookout for unusual cars, and wondered if we knew what this one was? Pixly photo on vintage Ford website. -- Car has that British "We never got round to designing a proper hood for it " and "Sports car are for getting wet in" look about it. Our Tony Oakes rightly suggested looking under Talbot, and indeed a cca 1934 Talbot AV105 Coupe des Alpes by Vanden Plas named in honour of the company's Alpine Trials successes of the 1930s.

1934 Talbot AV105 Coupe des Alpes

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1936 Aero 30 Sports
Cinema screen grab taken from a Czechoslovak TV series "Straty a nálezy" (Lost and Foun) made in 1974 and where cars are being investigated by IMCDB.  -- This is a a Czechoslovak car made in Prague-Vysocany by aircraft and car-body company operating 1929-1947. This is a cca 1936 Aero 30 Sports with a 998 cc 26HP twin-cylinder engine, 105 km/h (65 mph, front-wheel drive and all-independent suspension. Production 7,780 by WW2, stopped in 1947 when company nationalised.

1936 Aero 30 Sports
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