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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage photo  or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided.  While page is being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,  cars are in year order:

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IDENTIFICATION/DATING:  SVVS HELP PAGES have some 4,325 Enquiries Received & Identified

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Possibly cca 1902 Mors Special
Great photo from Jason Palmer (Australia) purchased from late Bryan Goodman collection. -- Bryan was our friend and also of Ariejan Bos who saw the photo originally but it remained unidentified. Ariejan's current deliberations suggest a chassis of around 1902. Similar ring on De Dietrich and P & L. However, when much enlarged the text on the wheel hub suggests Societe Mors, as do the dumbirons and chain drive; a handsome powerful car, possiblya cca 1902 Mors with coachbuilt body.

Possibly cca 1902 Mors Special

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1902 Darracq 12HP Tonneau
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle. Date of photo seems to be 1907 and car looks to be a De Dioin Bouton, but what model? -- At the turn of the century many cars looked alike following the fashion of the day. Not a De Dion, but, as advised by Ariejan Bos, this is cca 1902 Darracq 12HP Tonneau, no doors. The Darracq has horizontal short down-hanging dumbirons. De Dion's are more normal.

1902 Darracq 12HP Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1902 Oesterreichische Daimler 20HP
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) is it an  Austro Daimler? -- Looked German Daimler but confirmed by Ariejan Bos as 1902 20hp models, introduced 1901 by Oesterreichische Daimler (Austrian Daimler), initially bits and owned by German Daimler who sold identical cars. Honeycomb radiator was developed by Maybach and used on these Phoenix-type Daimlers built 1897 and 1902. Similar rad later on first Mercedes cars. Name Austro-Daimler used in 1911. 

1902 Oesterreichische Daimler 20HP

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1903 De Dion Bouton Tonneau
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from an internet forum asking for ID. Is it a De Dion Bouton? --  Very posed Photo. It is indeed a cca 1903 De Dion Bouton Tonneau with some interesting features. The running board is not connected to front mudguard and has two supports. This therefore seems the long wheelbase version so probably the larger Model 'V' which has a single cylinder 8HP engine. Hasrear handle so could have a tilting front seat.

1903 De Dion Bouton Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904 Darracq 15HP Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from an internet forum asking for identification. --  Lovely photo of car which has and external distributor and has a registartion plate with M 50#. Both help with identificatioin. The registration is Chester County Council late 1904.  Chester is close to Liverpool. The round Ignition Timer  housing to right of the numberplate helps to say it is 1904 Darracq, and the size of vehicle suggests it is the 15HP, and rear doors say a Tourer.

1904 Darracq 15HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1906 Aerocar Model A 24HP Touring
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum wishing all a Very Happy Christmas. Any Idea on the car? -- Initially thought French Delahaye 1910 but then noticed there was no filler/cap to the radiator, suggesting an air cooled car. Air cooling was not very popular in Europe and wheels suggested an American car. So, indeed an American car from Detroit being a cca 1906 Aerocar Model A 24HP Touring, four cylinder air-cooled. Next model was water-cooled.

1906 Aerocar Model A 24HP Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1910 LGOC Type B Buses
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) asking for identification of the vehicles. Three AEC B Types? -- Confused by the London County Cl registration, and the B bus numbering, going in opposite directions. Newall advises LN registrations were 1906-7. Cherished plates? From reg and logo not AECs as AEC not until 1912. These are cca 1910 LGOC Type B Double Decker Busses made and operated by the London General Omnibus Co, Cricklewood Garage 1911.

1910 LGOC Type B Double Decker Busses

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907 Straker Squire Bus
From the above puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) asking for identification of the LGOC vehicles, - what is that hiding at the back on the left? -- Quite interesting and would have been hard to identify as it is so well hidden, were it not for the very unusual very long radiator which goes almost to the ground. This is indicative of the cca 1907 Straker Squire Double Decker Bus. In 1909 they dominated the London bus Market. Registration seems to be York ??

1907 Straker Squire Doubler Decker Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Probably c1910 Mercedes Tourer
Very puzzling photo received from Gavin Rayner (UK) advising photo was Melbourne c1912, chauffeur Theopile Paris. Is it a FN?  -- Too many things against it being a Belgian FN, probably not Italian, not Benz but with a segmented rad; so we contacted our Ariejan Bos who is relatively sure it is a cca 1910  Daimler Mercedes 12'15 HP from their early small range, having the 10 spoke front wheel. Complicated by having a round badge  but seems Mercedes in UK (probably 'Empire') had round badge.

 Probably c1910 Mercedes Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913 Brasier 12'14 CV Torpedo
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle. Looks a Brasier but what year/model? -- Indeed a Paris made Brasier, post Richard Brasier period. Tapered scuttle and petrol cap going through the scuttle. In 1914 the radiator edges became rounded but this has a square edged radiator which all suggests a cca 1913 Brasier 12'14 CV Torpedo. Became Chaigneau-Brasier in 1926'1931  >Irat >Delahaye.

1913 Brasier 12'14 CV Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1914 Rochet Schneider Torpedo
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) asking for identification of the vehicles. Photo possibly 1920s, car earlier, perhaps American?? -- The radiator is reminiscent of the early Model T, and a newer one in the picture as car behind. Te car in forefront is a French car made in Lyons pre WW1. It has a pre-VEE bullnose radiator and post-curved scuttle, so this is a cca 1914 Rochet Schneider Torpedo; long bonnet so big 12'18HP, possibly 28HP Torpedo

1914 Rochet Schneider Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1915 Sunbeam 16'20 Staff Car
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle. The bus is probably a LGOC but what is the car? -- The Bus is indeed a cca 1911 LGOC B Type double-decker bus, one of over 950 used  by the British Army as troop carriers in WW1, or converted to carrier-pigeon lofts or armored Gun carriers. Car in background looks very much like a cca 1915 Sunbeam 16'20 Tourer frequently used by the Army as a Staff Car.

1915 Sunbeam 16'20 Staff Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1918 Mors 12CV Two-Seater
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle. Suggested location as UK. -- Not UK as roadside advertising on other than official hoardings was not normal. Car registration is French, a part of Paris. The car is a French Mors, post Andre Citroen management, but very difficult to date as has electrics, rounded radiator & round mudguards, suggesting post WW1/modified cca 1916 Mors Two-Seater, poss 12 CV.

c1918 Mors Two-Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920 Thornycroift Type X Charabanc
Another puzzling photo received from Premp Memp (UK) taken in Warwick at around 1910. -- Warwick is in central England near the car cities of Coventry/Birmingham. The registration on the vehicle is XC 9083 which is a London County Council Registration of Late June 1920. This leaves the possibility of this being a bus built on a WW1 chassis and reregistered later. More likely this is a new, and as it is quite big but plain cast wheels would be cca 1920 Thornycroift Type X Charabanc.

1920 Thornycroift Type X Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1922 Rolls Royce Kegresse
In the process of researching my article on  Lenin's Rolls Royce  I came across this photo of a car labeled " 1910's Rolls-Royse given to Lenin "  -- A
mazing mount of totally wrong mis-information is continuing to be disseminated by 'first ranking' internet organizations without checking if the facts are actually true or accurate. This is actually a 1922 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost bodied and fitted with Kegresse tracks in Russia some six years after Lenin died and not possibly used like this by Lenin.

1922 Rolls Royce Kegresse

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1926 Renault Type NM 40 CV Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from a n American Film "A Notorious Affair" made in 1930 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about a daughter of a British aristocrat who marries a poor violinist. --  Car with coal scuttle bonnet limits choice, especially one with lots of louvers at back of a very long bonnet, so most  likely a cca 1926 Renault Type NM 40 CV Torpedo, 6 cylinder 9120cc. A 40 CV Renault won 1925 Monte Carlo Rally, another was the official car of the French President.

1926 Renault Type NM 40 CV Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1926 Barre B5 Torpedo
Very tricky photo received from Jason Palmer of Melbourne (Australia) from his collection which he has asked us to try and identify. - Photo shows a family group next to a very unusual car. -- The registration is the Nancy region of France. The car was manufactured in Niort, not far from Cognac and Angouleme by a gunsmith who subsequently changed to bicycles. He made its first car in 1899, 50 workers in 1908, and carried on to 1933. From similar car, this is cca 1926 Barre B5 Torpedo.

1926 Barre B5 Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1928 Ralf-Stetysz TC Six Saloon
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum in Russian suggesting Warsaw 1930. -- Logo/shape of Austrian Steyr Sixteen, but is actually very unusual car made in Poland after initial design in France by Count Stefan Tyszkiewic. 200 cars made by Warsaw factory K. Rudzki i Spolka under the Ralf-Stetysz name 1922-29. Two models TA 1500 and TC 2760 with Continental engine. Factory gutted by fire 1929; not restarted. Lady is actress Jadwiga Smosarska.

1928 Ralf-Stetysz TC Six Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1928 Citroen C4 Cabriolet Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle. Looks like a Citroen in Guadeloupe. -- Indeed a Citroen in Guadeloupe, a bunch of French Overseas Territory islands in the Caribbean close to Antigua where coincidentally the British TV crime series "Death in Paradise" is filmed. From the many grooves of the radiator bottom, this is cca 1928 Citroen C4 Cabriolet Tourer. Following model, C4F had fewer grooves.

1928 Citroen C4 Cabriolet Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1929 Citroen C4 9CV Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a French documentary "Le Chagrin et la Pitie" (The Sorrow and the Pity) made in 1969 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Vichy wartime collaboration with the Nazis which French TV station refused to show on grounds of bad light. --The car is French, relatively old being of the earlier generation of Citroens. Although a bit pixly, this one seems to be a cca 1929 Citroen C4 9CV Saloon, having a cylinder engine of 1628cc, capable of 105Kph.

c1929 Citroen C4 9CV Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1936 Renault Vivastella Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a French documentary "Le Chagrin et la Pitie" (The Sorrow and the Pity) made in 1969 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Vichy wartime collaboration with the Nazis which French TV station refused to show on grounds of bad light. -- The car is a French executive car built in a number of variants1936 Renault Vivastella 1929 to 1939. This one seems to be thde newer cca 1936 Renault Vivastella Saloon 6 cylinder, 100HP, 4085cc, capable of 130kph.

1936 Renault Vivastella Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1950 ZIS 110 Limousine
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK) seems to be on the lookout for unusual cars, and wondered if we knew what this one was? Photo from the net. -- Small pixly picture enlarged as difficult to see. From distance it could be American had we not already identified a very similar car in 2003 from an enquiry from Beijing, China. Car is of Russian origin made by "ZIS" (Zavod Imieni Stalina) in Moscow and was a 1950 Model "110", made 1945'58. ZIS article  Help Page 2  see also  Hong Qi

1950 ZIS 110 Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1961 Moskvich 407 Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a Russian Film "Dlinnyy Den" (Long Day) made in 1968 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. -- Film is about problems at hydroelectric power station following an excavator breakdown. - European looking car made in Russia. This is a cca 1961 Moskvich 407 Four Door Saloon made in Moscow by AZLK on basis of old Opel mechanics but redesigned with British-looking style body. Stone guard on rear wing and grille ID Model. Available & quite popular in UK.

1961 Moskvich 407 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 2020 John Deer 9RT Tractor
Cinema screen grab taken from a German Documentary "100 Yahre Trecker" (100 years of Tractor) made in 2021 where vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about development of the tractor. --  Interesting device which is a current John Deer 9RT tracked tractor with AirCushion suspension which comes with a 13.6L engine of 517 or 627HP that is fitted with programable Bear Flag Autonomous Controls, a new firm taken over by John Deer, not requiring a driver to be on board!

2020 John Deer 9RT Tractor

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unknown Velodrome Motorcycle
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of a motorcycle with a fascinating transmission! -- Regretfully no identification; probably a one-off. The big cog wheel drives a cross-shaft to a large sprocket and chain drive on the other side, to a small sprocket on the rear wheel. No gearbox, no brakes, miniscule petrol tank. Probably oval velodrome racing. Mr Amerigo was also known motorcycle pacer for speed cyclists.

 Unknown Velodrome Motorcycle
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