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1923 Packard Six Limousine with body by  by Page & Hunt Ltd (1915-1929)
succeeded by E.D. Abbott Ltd (1929-1972), 

Puzzling photos received from Len Huff (UK) who has been researching the English auto coach-builder E.D. Abbott Ltd (1929-1972), preceded by Page & Hunt Ltd (1915-1929), and is writing the company's history. The photo shows two similar cars advised to him as Delage 1924, built by P&H. Can we confirm? - - Ignoring bodies, pictures do not fit Delage pictures in my collection nor with any on internet, as there are definite creases in the bonnet a-la Buick/Packard etc. Various ID pointers say this is a cca 1923 Packard Six Saloon. 

Your pictures do not fit with any pictures of Delages I have in my collection nor with any Delages I have been able to find on the internet. Your pictures have a definite creases in the bonnet a-la Buick/Packard etc. On both photos they seem to extend into the scuttle. All my Delage pictures seem to have just a rounded side to the bonnet which match a rounded rad. Perhaps the unusual wheeltrims and wheelhubs suggested Delage as there is just a slight similarity. A number of US cars had variations on similar creases to Packard but do not fit exactly.  I had circulated the photos amongst some of our experts and we seem to agree on a smaller Packard of cca 1923/4. For further amplifications we mention below a part of an email from one of our experts:    

A montage of fronts of two ‘British’ Packard Six, one yours, does show the visual similarities between a known Packard and your Packard. The 1923 Packard Six seem to have had 28 louvres, which is as per the photo, as does the shape of the bonnet and the shape of the mudguards; only difference is battery rather than spare tyre. Headlamps are marginally different by country and sidelights are on the wings rather than on scuttle as required by British Law. Three of our experts agree the car is a Packard. For further am

….the only car that really fits with the shape of the bonnet (hood) is a Packard. Attached details from a 1923 scrapbook. The images are not that clear, but obviously the wheels are similar (the only cars in the scrapbook with this type of wheels. The shorter bonnet cars (like the English photo ones) must have had either a single or double 6, but I wouldn't know how you could discriminate between these just on the basis of the outside. Important id feature for American cars is always the louvre part, which is identical (size and spacing of louvres; shape and location of the side lid); and also the shape and location of the hood clasps which seem to be identical too. Finally the hand grips on the side of the bonnet are similar. So, concluding: a Packard single


1923 Packard Limousines

When carrying out investigations as to the maker of the automobile on coach-built cars it must be borne in mind that normally the only the scuttle and the bonnet of the car is supplied by the maker of the chassis. All the rest of the bodywork is normally supplied by the coachbuilder.

As coacbuilders either have a 'house style' or are following a specific 'style trend', the bodies may will look identical or very much alike on different makes of chassis.

Therefore when investigating for the maker of the chassis, only the front of the car will give definite clues.

Therefore from the picture on the right of a 1923 Delage Limousine it is quite visually obvious that the maker is quite different to the Packards shown above right.


1923 Delage Limousine

   


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