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The SVVS Website currently
receives approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage photo or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed, cars are in year
order:
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below relates to enquiries received during
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
c1903 Donkey Runabout
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of
vehicle. —
'Posed' photo as wheels in sand, no tracks. Pointers but
no answers. Fully elliptic springs.
Bonnet has no rad at back, so not Renault.? Upward opening long front
grille flap. Would have had a louvre panel on the side of the bonnet.
12 spoke wheels. Looks to have very large diff casing. Strange circular
item under steering wheel; not De Dion levers?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1903 Gladiator 10HP Tonneau
Interesting photo pasted on the AACA forum
(USA) asking for identification of the car. The photo is from
around great-grandparents wedding in Surrey 1906. Looks a 1902 Clement?
-- Answer is logo on
bonnet, which says Gladiator, and bonnet catches. Registration P2130 is
Surrey but no dating. Ariejan Bos agrees Gladiator with scuttle
bonnet to 1903, and chain drive (post Clement Gladiator). Reg and
number of louvres suggest it a
cca 1903 Gladiator 10HP Rear Entrance Tonneau.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Possibly
c1905 Gardiner Serpollet
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for
identification of a car believed photographed in 1905 Monaco. --
Photo shows a TNL tram that operated on a route
Nice to Monaco, taken over by them in 1908. Car is strange having a
very short bonnet with large radiator and no starting handle,
suggesting possible 'steamer'. Ariejan Bos first thought Gardner
Serpollet, or a smaller European
company, but had nothing to prove it.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905
Humber 8'10HP Tonneau
Another interesting photo from a forum of old photos asking
for identification of a car. No specific info provided. --
Car looks very British and resembles a
Humberette so likely a Humber. Humber started with bicycles in 1887 and
cars in 1896 with a three-wheeler sociable. First four-wheeler came out
1901 followed by many models including the small Humberette Two-Seater
in 1904. This is a slightly later and bigger 4-seater models,
relatively unusual, cca
1905 Humber 8'10HP Tonneau.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905
Unic
10’12 Surrey
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of
a car believed French. -- Should
have been easy, perhaps a Gladiator, but Ariejan Bos advised it was a
Georges Richard ‘Unic’. Richard left Richard Brasier to form Unic
1904 and started manufacturing in Putteaux a single-model 1905
Unic 10’12 Rear Entrance Surrey, two
cylinder 1798 cc, which eventually went on to become the very popular
London Taxi.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905
Siddeley Autocar 6HP Tonneau
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for
identification of a car believed to have been Scotland 1905. -- Pretty
car with square-edged radiator separate from bonnet which has
angled sides, handles and no louvres. Many similar looking cars in
period but header tank with a badge, and front door. It is British
Coventry made cca
1905 Siddeley Autocar 6HP Rear-entrance Tonneau made
for John Siddeley by Vickers of Crayford.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1906 Itala 50HP Phaeaton
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification.
- Photo shows the Dowager Queen Marguerite of
Italy, a inveterate incognito automobilist as Comtesse Stupingi,
visiting France 1906 in one of her fleet. This is a cca
1906 Itala 50HP Three-row Phaeton. She
had five Italas altogether. Her cars had names engraved on the front of
the header like a logo: (tyically a 1909 Palombella based on
Paris-Peking winning Itala etc.).
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1906 Itala 50HP Phaeaton
Another photo showing Dowager Queen
Marguerite of Italy, a regular automobile tourist as Comtesse Stupingi,
visiting France 1906. --
This photo was taken in Sens which is north of the previous photo in
Dijon and is on the way to Paris. Queen Marguerite was married to
Umberto I of Italy, but were privately amicably separated. He was
assassinated 1900. She was mother of Victor Emanuel III. Marguerite
pizza named after her. The car is again the
cca 1906 Itala 50HP Three-row Phaeton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Possibly
c1907 Haynes T Touring
On Help Page 21 in 2010 we featured the
photo, right, of an Unknown Tourer posted by Fred Lawson
(USA) relating to Winchester Indiana.
Suggested by the AACA,as a cca 1908 Oldsmobile Model A. --
We have recently been contacted by a
frequent contributor Varun Coutinho who believes the car is a cca 1907
Haynes Model T Touring. Difficult however to be sure from very small
pixly photo. Haynes made cars in Kokomo Indiana 1905 to 1924, formerly
Hanes Apperson 'America's first car'.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1907 Lorraine Dietrich Tourer
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos of a car
believed Turcat Mery. -- Picture
also shows Hotel Soule, which is in the Pyrenees Ariegeoises Nation
Park on the Spanish border near Andorra and Toulouse. The car is
French, made in Alsace, company started 1884, and has post 1905 Paris
Registration, some 800 Km away. From the equidistant rad border, not a
Turcat, this is a cca
1907 Lorraine Dietrich, probably the
20HP Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1908 Lion Peugeot 8CV VA Voiturette
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for
identification of a car believed photographed in France. --
Received with the photos above so probably
Hotel Soule, which is in the Pyrenees Ariegeoises Nation Park on the
Spanish border near Andorra and Toulouse. The car is a French cca
1908 Lion Peugeot 8CV VA Voiturette
made by sons of the Peugeot brothers in Valetigney on Swiss
border near Basel, later merged with Peugeot.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1908 Brasier 16HP Tourer
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for
identification of a car in France. -- Picture
also shows Hotel Soule, which is in the Pyrenees Ariegeoises Nation
Park on the Spanish border near Andorra and Toulouse. The car is
French, has a square edged tallish radiator with horizontal cooling
tubes and no scuttle, suggesting this is a Paris built cca
1908 Brasier 16HP Tourer, post the
Richard-Brasier and pre Chaigneau-Brasier period
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1911 Daimler Open-Drive Limousine
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of
vehicle. —
This
is a British car made in Coventry by the oldest British car
manufacturer which had received the Royal Warrant in 1902 to
manufacture cars to the British Royal Family, this after Prince of
Wales initially drove one in 1898. Finned small radiator and a flat top
to bonnet suggests a cca
1911 Daimler Open-Drive Limousine,
probably the most popular, the 20 HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912
De Dion Bouton 12 CV Torpedo
Cinema screen grab from French film
"Thomas l'imposteur" made in 1965 where cars are being
investigated by IMCDB. Film is set in First World War when Paris is
about to fall to the Germans, and convoy of cars to evacuate wounded.
-- Blurry
picture of a car with very high set light but adequate to note the
radiator has the typical outline of a De Dion Bouton. There is just a
faint outline of a scuttle and a convertible roof which suggests this
is a cca
1912 De Dion Bouton 12 CV Torpedo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912
Metallurgique 20HP Torpedo
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for
identification. -- Metallurgique, made in
Charleroi, Belgium 1898-1928. Car has no windscreen and the body merges
smoothly with the scuttle without a step, suggesting post 1911. The
mudguards are still flat not rounded so pre 1913. Still has gas side
and main lights. Medium length bonnet suggests a cca
1912 Metallurgique 20HP Torpedo which
could be either a 20HP or the 26HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1912 Charron 18HP Torpedo
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand)
from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the car.
-- Hand-painted photo of an oriental lady
theme, vogue for postcards of period available internationally. Further
investigation found same car with a gentleman. Confirmed by Ariejan Bos
as a
cca 1912 Charron Torpedo, possibly the 18HP. Very interesting
sidelights built into the bodywork in shape of ship cooling air scoops,
winged figure on water filler cap.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1915 Opel 22'55 Landaulette
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of
vehicle. —
Lovely photo of an interesting town and
interesting car. There are a number of towns called Duc but this could
be Bar-le-Duc in north eastern France, Lorraine, close to Germany. Town
was the supply area for Verdun during WW1. The car seems big and grand
and German, as may be occupants, probably cca
1915 Opel 22'55 Landaulette, or
smaller 20'45.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1915 Fiat 15 Ter Ambulance
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for
identification of an ambulancer. -- This was one
of a number of ambulances of the same pattern built on the chassis of a
cca 1915 Fiat 15 Ter Lorry. This was one of two staple WW1 lorries made
in large numbers in Italy by FIAT. Designed in 1912 and made much in
the same way to 1920. Used by Italian and British Armies, also
made in Russia. Four cyl. 4398cc 40HP, 40kph / 25mph.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923
Armstrong Siddeley 30HP Tourer
Another interesting photo received from a forum of old
photos asking for identification of a car believed photographed in
Madeira. -- A bit of research defines this is as
a car being used by the then Prince of Wales, later the abdicated King
Edward Vlll, while visiting the Island of Madeira in January 1930
en-route South Africa by ship. Location seems to be the British
Consulate. The car has body colour rad nacelle which suggests a
cca
1923 Armstrong Siddeley 30HP Tourer, their first car built in 1919.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926
Daimler Limousine
Interesting damaged 1936 photo received from Trevor Coombe (South
Africa) taken in Pietermaritzburg, near Durban. Effects included
a Chrysler and an Armstrong Siddeley. --
Not American nor Armstrong as these had solid
wheels. Coachwork body no help as to chassis. Couple of pointers,
rounded rear roof, adjacent handles, quick release detachable wire
wheels and wood slatted petrol tank, confirmed to our Tony Oakes that
this is probably a cca
1926 Daimler Limousine, maybe 38'120 HP .
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Probably 1928
Citroen B14 Taxi
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of
car in France. -- Difficult but has taximeter so
likely a taxi, and as Marchal headlights, likely French. As pram iron
visible, bodywork is a four door Landaulette with a split windscreen,
chromed windows, no wipers and a built-in bulb horn trumpet. Has an
internal petrol tank, ornate square bulkhead side lights. This is
probably a French cca
1928 Citroen B14 Landaulette Taxi.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1931 Handley Page HP 42 Airliner
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for
identification. --The
most obvious is the plane, largest in use in 1931, being a
British Handley
Page HP 42, by Imperial Airways. Eight
were built, three survived to be used by the RAF in WW2. This is the G-AAGX
Hannibal, the 18 seat prototype, operating from Croydon, later Cairo to
Karachi. Four Bristol Jupiter XIF 490 HP each. Eventually was lost in
1940 while over the Gulf of Oman.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Probably c1931
Hornet and Standard
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of
vehicles. —
The photo also shows two cars but the
definition is too small to be absolutely sure. Our Tony Oakes thinks
the car on the left is an early Wolseley
Hornet and the other one is a Swallow
bodied car probably a Standard 9, though Swallow also bodied Swift and
AJS which look similar. Both cars date from 1931/32 but cannot read the
registration.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown
Perhaps Updated Earlier Car
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old
photos asking for identification of a car. -- BM
is Buckinghamshire cca 1908/9. Seems to have a distributor at the front
by the numberplate and odd kingpins. Familiar photo to Ariejan Bos but
unsolved. Several details seem to
point at a modified older car; Panhard style long axle stubs and the
Lemoine type kingpins. The radiator shape could be own design. Double
curve rear mudguard suggests chain drive.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Unknown
Portugese Ambulance
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of old photos asking for identification of
an Ambulance in Portugal.
–- No
positive identification. Various
companies copied Rolls-Royce Rad, including some in USA. Our Ariejan
Bos only has similar photo of a “Sizaire-Brunswick Ambulance”
(presumably Berwick?) but a number of pointers do not match. Sizaire
history very complicated. 1920-25 chassis was French and were bodied in
UK. Bodied in Portugal?
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