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The SVVS Website currently
receives approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage photo or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed, cars are in year
order:
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Below relates to enquiries received during
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1902
Peugeot 10CV Tonneau
One from a selection of very interesting
but unidentified photos from the personal collection of Jason Palmer in
Melbourne (Australia). Photo came from Germany. --
Bit surprising as it looks French and I thought CGV but Ariejan Bos
advises first that the photo needs flipping horisonataly as car would
not have LH steering. The car seems a
cca 1902 Peugeot Tonneau, but it
is almost impossible in those years to determine the exact model.
Probably Type 39, 10CV, with long chassis!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1905
Phelps 20HP Tonneau
On our Help Page 17 from 2008 we have a Photo received from
George Schneider, (USA) which we
tentatively identified as possibly a 1903 Buick. The visible 'radiator'
is a dummy, and the lower 'coil' is the actual cooling radiator, common
on earlier European cars. -- We have now had
advice from contributor Varun Coutinho that he thinks this is a cca
1905 Phelps 20HP Tonneau. Phelps Had
previously designed a steam tractor steered by reigns so coachmen could
drive them. SEE
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1905
Renault AG 8CV Landaulette
Cinema screen grab taken from a Danish Film " En ny hat til
Madammen" (A New Hat for the Madam), a six minute Short Movie,
made in 1906 where vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Story
about a young woman who buys laters fashion hat. --
The car is French with a bulkhead radiator suggesting Renault. Short
bonnet, open dive cab for the chauffeur, window to passengers, all
point to a cca
1905 Renault AG 8CV Landaulette,
became popular Taxis in Paris and London.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1906
Alcyon 7'8CV Voiturette
One from a selection of very interesting
but unidentified photos from the personal collection of Jason Palmer in
Melbourne (Australia).
The car on the right has no
badges. -- Our Ariejan Bos advised car is French
made in Courbevoi, Paris. Edmond Genil started with bicycles then
motorcycles. Introduced
1906 Alcyon 7'8CV two-seater voiturette own
single cylinder, then a 10/12 four light car. Later competitive Alcyon
GI 2L, various bodies. Alcyon closed 1928. Motorcycles on to mid-1960s.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1907
Demeester 8HP Two Seater
Another interesting photo received from our Forums Sleuth, Mark
Dawber (New Zealand), from a forum of old
car photos asking for information on the make of vehicle? --
Garage E Foucher is in the village of Rozoy-en-Brie which is on the N4
road just outside Paris en route Germany to east. This is the famous
Brie cheese growing area of France. TThe car on the left is most
probably a cca
1907 Demeester 8HP Two Seater, 1100cc
four made in Courbevoie, Paris. between 1905'13.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907
Aries Aster 8'10 D Two-Seater
Another interesting photo received from our Forums Sleuth, Mark
Dawber (New Zealand), from a forum of old
car photos asking for information on the make of vehicle? --
Garage E Foucher is in the French village of Rozoy-en-Brie which is on
the N4 road just outside Paris en route Germany to the east. This is
the famous Brie cheese growing area of France. The car on the right
helpfully has a logo on the rad saying Aries so probably
c1907 Aries Aster 8'10 Type D Two seater.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1907
Delaunay Belleville 40 HP Tourer
Another interesting photo received from our Forums Sleuth, Mark
Dawber (New Zealand), from a forum of old
car photos asking for information on the make of vehicle? --
French luxury cars made by a marine boiler maker in St Denis France. Favorites
of the Tsar of Russia and other nobility. Round radiator harks back to
boilers. This is a large car Glasgow registered with corrugations on
the bonnet which finished 1907, so is a cca
1907 Delaunay Belleville 40 HP Roi Des Belges Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Probably
c1907_FIAT_Tourer
Puzzling photo received from Kelvin Briggs (UK)
taken by local photographer in Alderley, Cheshire. --
Debatable. Initial thoughts. not big car, likely FIAT. It is either a
cca1907 FIAT or similar age SCAT, both
from Turin, which were remarkably similar down to the makers plate
under passenger window. We asked for enlargement of plate but no
answer. Ariejan Bos is tending towards the SCAT due rad filler cap and
crank handle, and I am tending, from maker,s plate perhaps, FIAT.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1909
Motobloc 14'16 Sports Racer
One from a selection of very interesting
but unidentified photos from the personal collection of Jason Palmer in
Melbourne (Australia). The car on the left appears to have a badge with
a Crescent. --
Easy when you know, four-crescent logo is French Company Motobloc.
Follow-on car to Bordeaux gunsmith Charles Schaudel who introduced the
first Schaudel in 1900 and Motobloc in 1902, engine integral with
gearbox in sump, Issigonis later. This is a
cca 1909 Motobloc 14'16
Sports Racer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Perhaps c1910 Hispano-Suiza Town Car
Photo from regular Joao Ferreira (Portugal)
of car taken 1930 at Palacio Conde da Azambuja, Cascais, Lisbon
Portugal. Is it a Voisin? - - Sorry No. Original
16th century building destroyed by earthquake, rebuilt 1925 by Manuel
Henriques and HQ of A Lucta newspaper. Our Ariejan Bos says likely
Hispano-Suiza, not Spanish but French when for a short period around
WW1 rounded French style radiator was used. So likely, at latest,
cca
1910 Hispano-Suiza Town Car, possibly
the 20'30HP
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1912
Priamus Doppelphaeton
One from a selection of very interesting but unidentified photos
from the personal collection of Jason Palmer in Melbourne (Australia).
-- No info with the photo which at first sight
looked little like a British Bean automobile. Further investigation
suggested perhaps not, and then our Ariejan Bos advised that the
car was German, and rare. He advises this is a cca
1912 Priamus Doppelphaeton built in
Cologne, either the 5'16 or the 9'22HP. Priamus were also sold in
Sweden as separate make 'Odin'.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1912
Praga Mignon Torpedo
One from a selection of very interesting but unidentified photos
from the personal collection of Jason Palmer in Melbourne (Australia).
Post WW1 due relaxed faces of French occupants. -
- The occupants are more likely Czechoslovak? Car on right is little
puzzling because widows peak on rad is Czechoslovak Praga (1907-1929)
from Prague, but more here more rudimentary in execution. Handful only
of cars early years, little info on models 1 and 2, so likely
cca 1912
Praga Mignon Torpedo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1913
Laurin & Klement Torpoedo
One from a selection of very interesting but unidentified photos
from the personal collection of Jason Palmer in in Melbourne (Australia).
--The occupants are more likely Czechoslovak
rather than French? Our Ariejan Bos confirms he thinks the car on the
left is a Mlada Boleslav built
cca 1913 Laurin & Klement Torpoedo,
probably the Type O which was 30 HP 2612cc four. Prague reg. L&K
were biggest car maker in Czechoslovakia and were later taken over by
Skoda Steel Plzen in 1925.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1913
De Dion BoutonTwo Seater
Another interesting photo received from our Forums Sleuth, Mark
Dawber (New Zealand), from a forum of old
car photos asking for information on the make of vehicle? -- Seems
the photo is from a New Zealand newspaper of 1919 showing a car
decorated to represent Canada for the peace celebration parade in
Dunedin, south island, in 1919. This is NOT a Canadian made Russell but
a French cca
1913 De Dion Bouton EK Two-seater 4
cylinder 1641 9CV. READ
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1925
Tatra 11 Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a Czechoslovak Film "Rychlost
má cenu zlata" (Speed is worth its weight in gold), made 1976.
- - Third oldest company in the world producing motor vehicles.
Initially Nesselsdorfer 1890, produced 'Präsident' 1897, first
factory-made car with petrol engine in Central Europe. Became Tatra
1919. Air cooled rear engine. Hitler, Porsche and Tatra's Ledwinka
often discussed 'The peoples Car. This one is the cca
1927 Tatra 11. Now make largest off
road trucks.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1926
FIAT 503 Two-Seater
Interesting photo received from Carlo
Fetita (Italy) of
friend's fathers SIC or Fadin? -- Not a
cyclear, but c1926/7
FIAT 503 Two-Seater with Dickey. The
engine was a 1,460cc in-line four-cylinder sidevalve. Sta Italiana
Cycecars (SIC) 1924 made one of the smallest in Italy powered by a
500cc 2 cylinder 2 stroke 2 speed in Chivari near Genoa.Cyclecars Fadin
1924-6 seem to have been made by Fabbrica Automobili Officine
Trubetzkoy in Milan (Automobile Factory Workshops Trubetzkoy).
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1927
Hispano Suiza H6B Cabriolet
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian TV mini-series
"The Mind Reader" made 1933 where cars are being investigated
by IMCDB. Story about couple of con-man starting a clairvoyant act but
one falls for one of their marks testing their relationship. -
- The car is one of Europe's luxury brands with very early beginnings
in Spain and which carries the name of Hispano Suiza having not been
made in either Hispano or Suiza. This is a French made cca
1927 Hispano Suiza H 6B Cabriolet De Ville .
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1929
Dodge DA Six Phaeton
Another interesting photo received from
Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a forum of old photos and asking for
information on the make of vehicle? Fiat? --
The photo has connections with the Durrell Family of TV
Series. Car in
TV Series was a cca 1929 Oldsmobile F29T Phaeton. The car in the photo
is not Oldsmobile. Possible contender Chrysler. Further research
confirmed it a cca
1929 Dodge DA Six Phaeton, Dodge later
confirmed by looking into the history of Spiros.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
c1947
Brush Pony Milk Float
Cinema screen grab taken from an American TV Documentary by
PanAm "Wings over England" made in 1958 where vehicles are
being investigated by IMCDB. Pan-Am documentary promoting flights
to the UK. -- Milk floats were a very common
sight in Britain and many different types made, pedestrian operated to
vans. This is a cca
1947 Pony made by Brush Electrical Engineering,
single front wheel steering, open cab, initially for use in own
factory. 15 mile range fully loaded.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1950
Tatra 600 Saloon
Sreen grab from a Czechoslovak Film "Ztracena revue"
(The Lost Revue), made 1961 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB.
-- Third oldest company in the world producing
motor vehicles. Initially Nesselsdorfer 1890, produced 'Präsident'
1897, first factory-made car with petrol engine in Central Europe.
Became Tatra 1919. Air cooled rear engined. Hitler, Porsche and Tatra's
Ledwinka often discussed 'The peoples Car'. This
is a 1950 Tatra 600 Saloon. Now big
off- road trucks.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1950
Ford V8 Fordor Sedan
Photo received indirectly of a friend's father's first car. --
American Ford new for the 1949/50 seasons with a 1950 Ontario plate. Badge
rather than separate FORD letters; both dating to 1950. Has rear side
window quarter light, suggesting a four-door , not coupe or two-door.
The bullet chrome centre of the grille would have a 6 or 8 figure;
unsure, but seems an 8, which would make it 3.9L V8 rather than a 3.7
straight 6. So summarising,
cca 1950 Ford V8 Fordor Custom Deluxe
Sedan.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1960
Tatra 603 Saloon
Sreen grab from a Czechoslovak Film "Ztracena revue"
(The Lost Revue), made 1961 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB.
-- Third oldest company in the world producing
motor vehicles. Initially Nesselsdorfer 1890, produced 'Präsident'
1897, first factory-made car with petrol engine in Central Europe.
Became Tatra 1919. Air cooled rear engined. Hitler, Porsche and Tatra's
Ledwinka often discussed 'The peoples Car'. This is a 1960
Tatra 603 Saloon. Now big off- road
trucks.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
UNKNOWN
Speedster 'Special'
Another unclear photo from a forum advising unidentified. --
... and likely to remain so despite many expert views. Big or aero
engine special, but has a sports car
back end rather than the usual racing tapered pointed back. Very
individual radiator grille which reminds me of something? Photo
probably not England as house windows have louvres, not normal in UK.
Similar 'special' cars made by Schumacher in New York USA using
Auburn/Stutz/Duesenberg. HELP
PLEASE
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
UNKNOWN
Rear Entrance Tonneau
One from a selection of very interesting
but unidentified photos from the personal collection of Jason Palmer in
Melbourne (Australia).
-- Photo came with no comment to help with
identification and indeed we also have not been able to determine what it
was. It has a very wide brass side to the radiator. It also has unusual
louvers on top of the bonnet Benz style, but it seems to have a hump on
centre of adiator a-la Brazier/Mors. Sporty Rear entrance Tonneau.
HELP
APPRECIATED.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
UNKNOWN
Fiat 500 'Special'
Another unclear photo from a forum advising unidentified. -- ...
and likely to remain so despite many expert views. Well-executed
'special', small car, UK registered 1952 East Suffolk, has UK AA Badge
and Austin car logo on bonnet. Features a Fiat 500 Topolino Type A
1937-48 body, front end, door, door handle, quarterlight, headlamp, but
different full centre hinged bonnet and widened lower bodykit on
wing/doors. Could be cca 1952 Fiat-Austin Seven Special. HELP
PLEASE
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