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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:  1898
Benz Motorwagen Ideal
Lovely photo received from our Member, actor, and auto historian
Nicholas Young (UK) who wrote the
door-stopper encyclopedia 'Car Number Classics' detailing histories of
original cars/owners of the first registrations issued in UK in early
1904. -- One of
early Karl Benz cars being the cca
1898 Benz Motorwagen Ideal single
cylinder transverse engine at the back available 1898 to 1902 in 3HP
and 4.5 HP versions, then a boxer twin at 8HP, four gear rear drive,
vis-à-vis body format.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1899
Vulcan 4.5HP Dogcart
Lovely photo received from our Member, actor, and auto historian
Nicholas Young (UK) who wrote the
door-stopper encyclopedia 'Car Number Classics' detailing histories of
original cars/owners of the first registrations issued in UK in early
1904. -- Dutch
Ariejan Bos has same photos from original Dutch magazine "First Vulcan,
made in 1899, 4.5HP one cylinder
engine, motorcycle transmission to rear axle by flat belt, no
differential". Some histories say first cars had side mounted rads.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1900
Kuhlstein Wagenbau Landau
Another interesting photo from a forum of old photos and asking for
identification of the make of vehicle, which seems to be before the
turn of the century and does not seem petrol powered.
-- Interesting
front wheel drive vehicle with all of the 'works' in a steerable
housing under the driver. We found reference for this photo as a cca
1900 Kuhlstein Wagenbau Electric Landau
from the German coach building Company in Berlin making electric
vehicles 1898-1902. Read
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1902
Autocar Model VIII Tonneau
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle. --
This one has proved very difficult. We did
manage to trace only one single photo that matched to one labeled as cca
1902 Autocar Model VIII. Nothing
similar in Autocar histories. Asked Ariejan Bos who had the photo,
marked VIII, and believes enough similarity to early Autocars for
probability being an Autocar. Read
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904
Celer 8HP Two-Seater
Interesting photo received from Neale Lawson
(UK) relating to our
Leader on HP 186. He advises that Oliver Gray restored last remaining
Celer, made in Nottingham. Is there a connection between Celer, Binks
and Leader.
-- Our researches
advise that the The Celer
Motor Car Company was started by
Charles Binks in Nottingham in 1904. The "Leader" car company
started as 'Charles Binks Ltd' in Nottingham in 1905. So, Yes, there
probably was a connection. Read
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904
Renault Type T 7CV Tonneau
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle.
Could it be a Renault? -- Indeed,
this is likely to be a cca
1904 Renault Type T 7CV Tonneau being single cylinder 860cc water cooled with side mounted radiators each
side of bonnet. There was a wide range of models made with side rads,
The number of coils helps to name model,
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1905
Gardiner Serpollet Steamer
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle.
Photo Canada? Perhaps air-cooled as
no rad cap? -- Or a
'steamer'? Yes, a French cca
1905 Gardiner Serpollet Type L 18HP Limousine Steamer.
French brothers Serpollet built and started steamer racing 1894. In
1898 they met American Frank Gardner and started making steam cars.
'Easter Egg' held world land speed record of 75 mph 1902.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1905
Clement Bayard 12'24 Tourer
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle.
Both vehicles are early and seem French. -- The
vehicle on the left is interesting because it is from the Clement line
of vehicle companies starting 1904. Not a Clement, not a Clement
Panhard but a
cca 1905 Clement Bayard 12'24 Touring Car.
Company was soon making 3,000 cars a year and employing 4,000 workers.
UK end was Clement Talbot.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1905
Orleans 15HP SE Tonneau
Another grainy photo found on the Sheffield City Archives website while (UK)
searching for information on another enquiry. 'Miss Purdy of Woodhouse
in a 1905 Wolseley'. -- As
Wolseleys of 1904/5 period had cascading loops of cooling coils means
that this is not one of them. Wolseley Siddeleys of 1906 and beyond had
conventional radiators. Radiator on the photo has half-hidden sides of
the type advised by Ariejan Bos as being on the
cca 1905 Orleans 15HP. Read
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1905/6
Wolseley 24HP Limousine
Damaged grainy photo found at Sheffield City Archives (UK) while
searching for information on another enquiry. Photo tagged 'Unknown
vehicle, possibly Bean'. -- In
view that the photograph, which we have slightly repaired, shows
cascading loops of cooling coils means that this is quite an early car,
being a cca
1905/6 Wolseley 24HP Open Drive Limousine. Wolseley
origins are in the very earliest days of motoring whereas the Bean car
first made in 1919 was a copy of earlier Perry.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1906
Humber 16'20 Roi des Belges
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle.
Photo origin may have been Canada.
Car looks European? -- The
scuttle bodywork looks of similar pattern suggesting a cca
1906 Humber 16'20 Roi des Belges, from
Humber's Beeston factory, similar to one used in the 1965 film 'Those
Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines', and was also used by Steed
and Emma in the of the Avengers TV Series bit later.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908
Peugeot 8HP RE Tonneau
Cinema screen grab taken from a French film L'Histoire d'Annette Zelman
Story of Annette Zelman made in 2023 where cars are being investigated
by IMCDB. Story is about a Jewish girl who loves a catholic boy in France
1940 but is denounced to the Gestapo and sent to Auschwitz.
-- The car is French
and from the secondary header tank on top of the radiator, no rear side
door and relatively small is a rather beat up vintage cca 1908 Peugeot
8HP Rear Entrance Tonneau.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909
Unic 12'14 Station Bus
Cinema screen grab taken from a silent French comedy film "Le
gendarme est sans culotte" (The Trouserless Policeman) made in
1914 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Story is about film
company making a movie about a policeman but forgot the trousers so
persuade real policeman to loan his. Much hilarity follows until and
after he gets them back. -- The
film company transport vehicle is a French Ballot powered cca1909
Unic 12'14 Station Bus version of 12HP
Taxi.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909
BarreType B 16'24 Tourer
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle.
Both vehicles are early and seem French. -- The
vehicle on the right is puzzling as it has a round radiator not on my
list. Ariejan Bos' fantastic photo library advises that early Gean
Barre cars, of Niort near La Rochelle, had round rads with a badge and
advises this is a cca
1909 Barre, probably the Type B 16'24 Tourer,
powered by a Ballot engine.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1910
FIAT 15'20 Landaulette
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle.
Photo taken in Australia just before WW1. Location is South Moran the
which is about 20 miles north of Melbourne. Both vehicles are early and
seem European.
-- The car on the
right is of an age when the chauffeur was out in the cold with no
weather protection. The car is an Italian
cca 1910 FIAT 15'20 Open
Drive Landaulette which is carrying a British flag.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1912
Foden Steam Wagon
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information.
-- Various origins
of the photo can be found, which is an advertising postcard. One was
sent by the engine owner to a lady in Tollpuddle Dorset saying that the
engine has not been out much recently. No identifiable date on
postcard. Registration seems M 4174 which is Chester CC issued 1912, so
c1912
Foden Steam Wagon, Tipping Lorry.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913
Minerva Model EE Tourer
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle.
Photo taken in Australia just before WW1. Location is South Moran the
which is about 20 miles north of Melbourne. Both vehicles are early and
seem European. The left car seems to have large wheels.
-- Vehicle on the
left is from Antwerp in Belgium from a company that made very fine cars
in many models. This seems cca 1913 Minerva Model EE Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923
Citroens B2 Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from a British film "You Made Me Love
You" made in 1933 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB.
Story about songwriter in London falls in love with a girl who is a
temperamental brat and has interfering rich American parents making up
tall stories. -- The
car is French and is a rather beat up old Citroen Tourer. Multiple
louvres on bonnet, disc wheels, doors with no handles, petrol filler
cap on bulkhead wrong headlamps spell out
cca 1923 Citroens B2 Torpedo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1925
Wolseley 11'22 Two-Seater
Another interesting photo received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) from
a forum of photos and asking for information on the vehicle.
-- This is a British car made by company started by men experienced in
machine guns and sheep shearing machines joining forces to make a
flying machine with the help of Herbert Austin. The car carries a MH
registration which was Middlesex County, 1925 so this is a cca 1925 Wolseley 11'22 Two-Seater, made up to 1928,
reduced £225 to £215.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1928
Fiat 521 Limousine
Cinema screen grab taken from a British film "On Secret
Service" made 1933 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB.
Story is about Austro Hungarian Military Intelligence operatives and
their intrigues with spies and airplane flights to Italy before and
during World War One. Remake of German film banned as made under Weimar
Republic. -- Photos
are a bit grainy but cars seem mainly Italian. This one has upright
windscreen and wing sidelights so cca
1928 Fiat 521 Limousine.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1928
Fiat 521 Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from a British film "On Secret Service" made 1933 where cars are being investigated by
IMCDB.
Story is about Austro Hungarian Military Intelligence operatives and
their intrigues with spies and airplane flights to Italy before and
during World War One. Remake of German film banned as made under Weimar
Republic. -- Photos
are a bit grainy, cars Italian. This one is a cca
1928 Fiat 521 Lux Torpedo, upright windscreen, plain whellhubs, and wing sidelights
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1929
Fiat 521 Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from a British film "On Secret Service" made 1933 where cars are being investigated by
IMCDB.
Story is about Austro Hungarian Military Intelligence operatives and
their intrigues with spies and airplane flights to Italy before and
during World War One. Remake of German film banned as made under Weimar
Republic. -- Photos
are a bit grainy, cars seem Italian. This is a cca
1929 Fiat 521 Lux Torpedo, with has
slanting windscreen and chromed wheel hubs.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1935
Hotchkiss 617 Limousine Chantilly
Cinema screen grab taken from a French film L'Histoire d'Annette Zelman
Story of Annette Zelman made in 2023 where cars are being investigated
by IMCDB. Story is about a Jewish girl who loves a catholic boy in France
1940 but is denounced to the Gestapo and sent to Auschwitz.
-- Car
is French, with boot catches on side of boot and is relatively unusual
in having three windows per side. This means it is a Limousine, and
therefore a cca
1935 Hotchkiss 617 Limousine Chantilly.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1955
Fordson 10cwt Van
Another interesting photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum of photos and asking for information on
the vehicle. Perhaps a Morris. -- This is a mid 50s van, a common sight in our youth and easy to mix up.
This looks to be a
cca 1955 Fordson E83W 10cwt Van powered by a Ford 30HP
engine. It was available as a car/estate and in numerous commercial and
pickup bodies. These were made between 1938-1957. It was sold in
Australia as Fordson 10/10 Van.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1910
Unknown Van
Lovely photo received from Allan Bedford (UK) advising that a number
of early coachbuilders photos have recently come to light. Most of the
vehicles have been identified, some by referring to your solutions. The
small van F/P 3749 (Essex or Surrey c1910) is however a problem. --
Beyond a similarity to an early Darracq, it
continues to be a problem. We have nothing resembling this radiator in
our records nor does our veterans Expert Ariejan Bos. Remains Unidentified
so Help Please.
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