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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1900 Benz 5HP
Another photo from Rick Mansfield
(Australia) which was
of particular interest. The surroundings looked very familiar and then
confirmed that the building in the background is the now 'Fox Revived'
in Norwood Hill. The registration on the car is one number away from the
Benz owned by our Bryan Goodman. Turns out the car in the picture
is a 1900
Benz 5HP owned by a Dr C.F.Wakefield
who also owned Bryans car and was a colleague of Dr. Lawrie McGavin, who
was Rick Mansfield's grandfather!!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1906 Talbot Landaulet
Another photo from Dave Sankey (UK)
on which he is trying to identify the vehicles. This one shows two cars with what appear to be French numberlates
in front of a hotel in the Alpes Maritime on the Côte d'Azur, still
around in 1996. It seems the hotel was a part of chain which had a
'summer' hotel and a 'winter' hotel and one in Monte Carlo. The cars in
the picture are
cca 1904 Peugeot and a cca 1905 Clement
Baynard, 14 or
probably 20HP. Talbot imported Clement cars to Britain.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1906 Talbot Landaulet
Another two photos received from Dave Sankey (UK)
on which he is trying to identify the
vehicles. These are showing two of the family's earlier cars. Again our veteran expert Tim Harding identifies
this as a cca
1906 Talbot perhaps a 12/16 but
did not identify the other because the relevant bits are hidden by
people. However magnified investigation of the front, specifically the
radiator top, seems to suggest this could be the same car, but with a
different landaulet body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1907 Rover 16-20
Earliest of the photos received from Robin
McEwen-King of Lanark (UK).
Grandfather Clarence E Hird was a test driver for Rover in the early
1900's. Rover started making cars in 1904 and the shield type radiator
was introduced in 1907. This has a more Standard or Talbot type rad and
has to be earlier. We believe it is a cca
1907 Rover 16-20, made only '06-07.
Rover won the Tourist Trophy in such a car in 1907, and as 'gramps' was
the test driver, - this may well have been the very car !
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1907 Rover 6HP
Lovely Photo
hanging on the wall in a frame photographed by our Michel Gosset
(UK) found while
visiting a friend. The picture shows a fiend's grandparents photographed
in their car of the day. Note the magnificent formal dress and hats! The
family had often wandered what the car was but have never been able to
find out. We were able to advise that the car is cca
1907 Rover 6HP. These were quite
popular in their day and were already establishing a good reputation for
reliability.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 Hotchkiss
Lovely period photo received from Rick
Mansfiel (Australia)
of relatives he is investigating standing by their car. The numberplate
LB 9588 tells us the car was registered by London County Council. The LB
series for cars commenced in March 1908 at number 3001 and ended at 9999
at the end of April 1909. The car was therefore registered March/April
1909. The radiator is quite distinctive, so the car is 1909
Hotchkiss 16/20
or a 20/30. No current
UK records, so car may not have survived.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 Thornycroft 2 Ton
Photo received from Graham Johnson (UK)
showing his Grandfather Frederick Powell, later described as
"Motor Haulier - ex Army", driving a Guest Keen &
Nettlefolds delivery lorry, the No1. We can advise that HA-210 was
issued by the Smethwick Council. HA Commenced 1st of April 1907. Records
lost, but based on the volume of registrations in similar Councils HA
210 would have been reached late 1908 early 1909. The lorry is therefore
a 1909
Thornycroft probably a 2 ton Model 40M2.
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IDENTIFICATION AND VALUATION: cca
1911 Renault
One of a number of scans of photos received from
an Iris in (USA) saying
she purchased this 1911
Reanult in the 1980's with the intent
of refurbishing it but nothing much has happened to it since. She is now
thinking of selling it and wondered what the current value of it would
be. Our veteran Renault expert Michael Doughty was not able from the
photos to positively identify the model and considers current value to
be in a wide band of between £15,000 and £35,000 subject to
condition.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1913 Rover 12
Another photo received from Robin
McEwen-King of Lanark (UK),
this one showing his grandmother standing next to a car at Belsay in
Northumberland. The photo is dated 1925 and should be about right in
relation to others. The number is suggested as being LW 8550 or 59.
Wanted to know the make, model and place of registration? The car is a cca
1913 Rover 12. Sometimes called the
Rover 12 'Clegg' because it was designed by Owen Clegg. LW is a London
CC registration, but 1919 ?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1914 Wolseley Saloon
Another of the photos received from Dave Sankey (UK)
on which he is trying to identify the
vehicles. This is one of two showing the same but earlier car. A wonderful
period photo of the car having just been loaded on board a relatively
small ship in a port which, judging by the size of the jetty, is
obviously used to housing very large ships. The family seem to have been loyal
to their car makes because this car, again as identified by Tim
Harding, is a Wolseley, this time a cca
1914 Wolseley.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1914 Humberette
Brilliant Photo received from Steve
Norris (UK) of a 'pranged'
car which was owned by his grandparents
just after they were married in the early 1920's in Manchester. His
mother says they had an accident which is depicted in the photo, and she
thought the car was a Buick and that it looks like "something out
of a film". The car is in fact a cca
1914 Humberette and appears to
have had a significant shunt. However, careful examination of the photo
reveals some interesting new facts !
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1920 Charon 18/24
Photo received from Robin and Margaret
McEwen-King of Lanark (UK) advising
that Grandfather drove for a "Mr. Coakes", and they wanted to
know the year and make of car. The car is a cca
1920 CGV (Charron, Giradot et
Voigt), possibly a Model 18/24. Company became British and this model
was sold in the UK until 1929 when the Company closed down. No front
brakes, introduced later in 1925. Registration is either XD or XB, both
which were London CC and both were issued during 1920.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1920 Wolseley All-weather Tourer
Another of the photos received from Dave Sankey (UK)
on which he is trying to identify the
vehicles. He advised this one was important to the dating of
the pictures and indirectly identifying the family members in other
photographs from their apparent ages at the time. Although the relevant
bit at the front is obscured, our veteran expert Tim Harding identifies
this as a cca
1920 Wolseley, probably a 24/30
All-weather Tourer, with an opening hood. Not enough of the
other to see.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1920 Standard 9.5
Lovely Photo received from Susan
Lynn (UK) showing
her grandmother Charlotte Gunn and her daughter Grace. The picture was
believed taken about 1923 and it was believed that the car was a
Belsize. The registration was believed Tynemouth as the family lived in
North Shields. Tynemouth can be confirmed but the registration date
cannot be advised accurately because records for this series do not
exist. The make of the car is a cca
1920 Standard 9.5 HP Tourer made 1919 - 26.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1923 Benjamin
Photo received from George Layton from
Bangkok (Thailand).
During one of his trips to Phnom Penh in Cambodia (Kamphuchia) he
visited a museum that had been abandoned by the Khmer Rouge, the
artefacts either destroyed or stolen, but now being restored with many
present exhibits labeled 'origin or period unknown'. He was intrigued by
a photo of a car and took a grainy snap of it. We are pretty sure this a
cca
1923 Benjamin Cyclecar initially made
by Maitre & Gerard, - or one of theirs.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1925 Lancia Lambda
Dashing photo received from Russell Howard
from Auckland (New Zealand)
showing his wife's Grandfather
Les Goodwin photographed at 24 in a car in the Blue
Mountains, just outside Sydney in the
1920's. Last fling before he got married, which lasted 72 years until he
died at 96. His father a bricklayer from Manchester came to NZ in
1912. The car is a cca 1925 Lancia
Lambda. 12,500 Lambdas were manufactured
between 1921/31. As this involved 9 model upgrades, precise dating is
difficult.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1925 Austin Mayfair
Photo received from Dave Sankey (UK)
on which he is trying to identify the
vehicles. This was one of a number of photos. " Among them are some
veteran cars, the identification of which would be of inestimable help
in dating the pictures and indirectly identifying the family members in
other photographs from their apparent ages at the time." We
have started with the most recent simple one which is a cca 1925_Austin_Mayfair_Enclosed_Limousine
probably new at the time.
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UNUSUAL VEHICLE VALUATION : cca
1926 Willys-Overland Type 91
Photos received from Mike
Barrett (UK) of
a relatively unusual vehicle for the UK, this being a 1926 Willys-Overland Type 91.
The car was imported from Australia last year and is now in
Cornwall, VAT paid, taxed and in a fully serviceable condition. Although
built in America, the right hand drive shows the Australian
origins. Total rebuild in 1980 and drives nicely at about 45 mph.
Car is available for sale,
so if anybody is interested please email us
and we will put you in touch with the owner.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1927 Cotton 250 Villiers
Evocative photo received from Malcolm
Buckler (Isle of Man)
showing his father Derek Buckler and brother-in-law Douglas Young on a
camping holiday, location unknown. Derek Buckler went on to design and
make Buckler cars ( http://bucklercars.com/
). Our motorcycle expert Geoff Morris advised this is a cca
1927 Cotton 250 cc with a Villier two
stroke engine, confirmed by the smoke! Dating of the registration number,
due lost county records, is late 1927 or early '28.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1929 Clyno
Photo received some time ago from Tony
Callaghan (UK) who
was researching his family history. We did not provide positive
identification but believed the car to be a mid 1920s Clyno. Their
subsequent research with National Motor Museum at Beaulieu also
came up with a Clyno, a 1928/29
Clyno 12/35 or 12/25. "Honest John" of the Daily
Telegraph Motoring Section also thought it was a Clyno 12/35.
Suggestions the car may have been rebuilt following an accident due some
inconsistencies.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1930 Ford Model A Van
Photo received from Annette Hughes (UK) showing
what she thought was a Morris van. She thinks the small child in
the foreground is her father born July 1928. The
driver is her grandfather who worked for John Gardiner,
meatsellers in Bermondsey. We can advise that the registration GJ was
issues by the London County Council between May 1930 and July 1930. The
vehicle is a 1930
Ford Model A Van assembled in Manchester, before Ford
built a factory to make cars in Dagenham.
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UNUSUAL VEHICLE INFORMATION: 1949
Morris/Martin-Walter Utilevan
Photos received from Ian Moreton
(Australia) of
a very unusual vehicle he has inherited, purchased by his
grandfather, this being a 1949
Morris 10 cwt / Martin-Walter Utilevan conversion.
He asked if we could tell him more about it. There seems to be very
little information about Martin-Walter and the Utilevan although lots
about other conversions. What we have so far found out is on the picture
link. If anybody has any information on this exact model, please
let us know.
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DATING OF REGISTRATION NUMBER: cca
1958 Buckler
Another photo received from Malcolm
Buckler (Isle of Man)
showing a Buckler
car with registration 643 MMY. It was discovered derelict many years ago
and rebuilt under a new registration. Malcolm is helping the owner trace
the history from photos discovered after his fathers death in 1964. Our
information suggests that MMY 643 is a Middlesex County Council
registration. MMY 'reversed' was issued between July 1957 and July '58,
so being some two thirds of the way through, say March 1958.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1950 Standard Vanguard
Photo received from Derek Page (UK)
requesting help to pinpoint a date
in the history of Beadnell Village in Northumberland. He had stayed in
the house in the centre of the picture which had a very 30's type style
interior. We advised that the car is a cca 1950
Standard Vanguard Phase 1. Phase 1 cars were manufactured
between 1948 and 1952 and earlier Phase 1 cars had the numberplate in
the rear bumper, as per photo. " You don't get many car
pictures taken from the back! "
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PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED:
YOUR
H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
As can be seen from our Help Pages we
normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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