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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1987 Benz Dos-a-Dos
Another photo received from our regular contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal). This is one of first cars in Oporto, taken in the "Estrada da Circunvalação" a road around the city. Is it on list of motorized vehicles sold in Oporto before 1900?   -- Our Ariejan Bos advises it is a cca 1897/98 Benz Dos-a-Dos (dogcart) but probably modified later. Side lights are older type oil lamps, but main lights acetylene. Later steering wheel, - not on solid tyres. Could well be the Benz,  13th car on the list.

c1987 Benz Dos-a-Dos

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 Cottereau 7HP Tonneau
Facebook photo from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) asking ID. -- A well known photo on number of websites of a 1906 group of people at Bunmahon, co Waterford, Eire, - but nowhere are the cars identified. The car on the left carries registration MT-19 which is Wexford County (of crystal and oldest Irish city fame), which is about an hour east on the south coast. Our Ariejan Bos advises the car is a
cca 1903 Cottereau 7HP Tonneau (typical crank handle support) before rads became round. 

1903 Cottereau 7HP Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 Clément SE Tonneau
Facebook photo from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) asking ID. -- A well known photo on number of websites of a 1906 group of people at Bunmahon, co Waterford, Eire, - but nowhere are the cars identified. The car on the right is also French and has registration XI-53 which is a Belfast CBC issue from Northern Ireland, some 150 miles away. Our Ariejan Bos advises the car is a cca 1903 Clement SE Tonneau
, identical to the Gladiator, except that bonnet shoulder is rounded and not flat. 

1903 Clément SE Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908 Darracq Special Coach
Photo from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from Facebook posting by James Hayward whose grandfather's uncle drove the car shown in The Strand London, in Boston; came from Malvern in England, and later moved to Boston, USA. -- We have a photo of same registration/car on our 2015 HP90  as a cca 1907 Darracq "Coach" and photos elsewhere on the web at the Bournemouth Fate. At the time Darracq had 22L V8 car capable of 120mph. Alexandre Darracq retired from car  industry 1912.

1908 Darracq Special Coach

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1910 Panhard Levassor as Tractor
Facebook photo via Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from
Henri Florin asking ID. Panhard? -- Yes indeed a Panhard levassor from time when the radiator cooling coils stopped being forward of the rad surround, and when bonnet sides were solid rather than louveres: 1909-10. Legend reads 'During war, the art of trailing an old auto'. Much modified vehicle with proper tractor wheels back and front and seems have chain driven power take-off. Looks a powerful vehicle so probably 30 HP.

1910 Panhard Levassor as Tractor

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 De Dion Bouton Torpedo
Our Members Bishop and Gosset exchanged Christmas greetings via this photo and Roger Bishop
(UK), asked if it was a Hispano Suiza? Michel suggested I would know. -- Hispano Suiza did have a French Division and post WW1 mascot of a stork on the rad was symbol of the French province of Alsace. This car is also French  but from Paris with a much longer tradition, being a cca 1912 De Dion Bouton Torpedo, probably the DX. Photo likely taken during/after WW1 of it being used as a staff car.

1912 De Dion Bouton Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Armstrong Whitworth Limousine
Photo sent by David Tucker, Professor Emeritus, Ryerson University (Canada) whose great uncle operated fleet of early British chauffeured vehicles. Name could have been Bailey or Buckley. --  Registration W 8323 was Sheffield BCC around WW1 but dating records lost; 'WA' was 1919. Yorkshire was world centre of industry and both names common. Nothing found. Car is a very unusual cca 1913 Armstrong Whitworth Limousine with new front radiator for 20'30 launched at Olympia 1913.

1913 Armstrong Whitworth Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Pre-WW1 De Dion Bouton Charabancs
Mike Schofield (UK) advises that the Haven Hotel on Sandbamks. Poole, opened about 1880 with no road aceass. It only prospered when French hotelier Eugine Poulain, took over, shown with his fleet of De Dion Bouton charabancs about 1910. --  The circular Solex radiators were used by French De Dion Bouton but also by other Paris bus makers. Registrations FX is Dorset, 1912 left 1914 right,- after intial BF was objected to by public. Most important was that Haven Hotel was the home / base for Marconi wireless telegraphy researches 1898-1926.

Pre-WW1 De Dion Bouton Charabancs

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1915 Metallurgique Ambulance
Facebook photo from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) asking ID. -- Another well known photo on number of websites of an ambulance built for St John of Jerusalem named variously as a Palladium,
Phanomen etc, or are mostly unidentified. We however feel this is a cca 1915 Metallurgique Ambulance, probably the 30HP or 40HP model, cca 1915 Metallurgique Ambulance, probably the 30HP or 40HP model, made in Belgium by railway engine co much of whose production came to the UK for Vanden Plas bodies. ' V ' type rad was trademark 1908 to end 1927.

c1915 Metallurgique Ambulance

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1916 Schneider Type H Lorry
Very interesting photo received from Benjamín Espina from
(Spain) who has a truck, perhaps Schneider from the early 20th century, and would appreciate help to identify it more precisely. -- Chassis medium length. wheels metal, tyres solid, cab hand made later, and outline visible of a circular Solex radiator on bonnet. We are not experts on commercials but believe this is a cca 1916 Schneider Type H cab-over-engine lorry. Schneider mainly known for Paris busses,  so could be a bus modified.

c1916 Schneider Type H Lorry

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917 SPA 30HP Military Lorry
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a Facebook page asking for naming. Possibly Italian, by the uniform. Not a Fiat as dumbirons wrong.  Note 'running boards' look as if they can be removed to help in the mud. -- Looks Italian indeed and always difficult, from this era. Our Ariejan Bos advises Fiat seems unlikely, but has image of a cca 1917 SPA 30HP Military Lorry from Turin, which is similar. SPA founded Matteo Ceirano and Michele Ansaldi. Later FIAT.

1917 SPA 30HP Military Lorry

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1918 FIAT Type 52B Charabanc
Photo from Norton Cooper
(Belgium), not a racing car but a 1934 Austin seven owner, dated 1st Sept. 1930. Looking for information on the model/year of the Fiat charabanc.  -- Charabancs bodies were generally local one-offs made to order after WW1 and placed on lorry/car chassis previously used before or during/after WW1. This one is not a lorry but, from radiator, is based on a cca 1918 FIAT Type 52B car chassis 2F with optional solid wheels. Our dating is normally of the car, not the photo.

1918 FIAT Type 52B Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1919 Studebaker Big Six
Photo received from Simon Prentis (UK) which we subsequently note we have already identified in 2018 on HP 102, of Grandfather when he was living in Singapore. He thinks photo was taken around 1925. Car has a Singapore plate. -- Identification features are square headlamps with round glass, short run of 14 louvres towards back of bonnet, and two piece windscreen. This dates this car to being an American cca 1919 Studebaker Big Six, a seven passenger Touring, 5.8 L straight-6, 60 HP.

1919 Studebaker Big Six

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Ford Model T Touring
Facebook photo from Ivan (Barbados) asking if it was a Model T Touring? -- It may indeed have been a 'Touring' at some time but with dented radiator, and two jacks under axle, and without front tyres, it tours no more. No idea how the kneeling lady can help, short of praying or knitting a set ! The car is indeed a cca 1920 Ford Model T Touring. Dating from the rounded bonnet so post 1916 and has the a smallfiller plate around starting handle, post 1919, and Touring as it is a soft-top.

1920 Ford Model T Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 BSA 10HP Roadster
Facebook photo from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) asking ID. Should know car but don't? -- Lovely picture of Rudolf who has grown a red nose. Registration is London CC July 1922. Probably photographed in Richmond Park full of deer. This car has often caught me out as well and may have done again were it not for the mascot on rad ; three rifles stacked. Headlamps on mudguards, scuttle fuel filler, no water cap. This is a cca 1922 BSA 10HP Roadster, air-cooled V2. B.S.A. owned Daimler. 

1922 BSA 10HP Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Morris Oxford Tourer
Couple of photos sent by G S Hancock (UK) who isa trying to identify the car in attached photo which we have slightly enhanced. Could be a Bullnose. Many thanks in anticipation of your response. --  Photo is notated as 'Monsall Dale', which is in Peak District of central England. Our Morris sleuth Chas Moody advises this is a cca 1925 Morris Oxford Tourer. Oxfords had nickel plated hub caps. In 1925 longer chassis so front mudguard not rounded but sweeps 45 degrees. Ally beading door tops and front brakes in 1925. No battery box or external horn in 1926.

1925 Morris Oxford Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Chrysler B 70 Sedan
Another very interesting photograph sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia),  a  collector of old photos. "Please find attached a small printscreen of a photo from a collection of my fellow collector. Is it possible to ID this captured vehicle?"  --  Photos of previous captured vehicles have generally been European so it is interesting to note that this one is an early American made in Detroit by cpmpany founded only about a  year earlier. This is a cca 1925/6 Chrysler B 70 Sedan.

1926 Chrysler B 70 Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 DKW E300 Motorcycle
Facebook photo from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) with no background asking for ID. Looks German? -- Considerable family likeness in both appearance and enthusiasm about Daddy's new bike. Motorbike made in Germany by Dampf-Kraft-Wagen, (steam-powered car) in Zschopau started by Danish Jorgen Rassmusen in 1916. Made the DKW car and was world's largest motorcycle manufacturer. This is c1927 DKW E300. DKW merged into Auto Union 1932 and became Audi, now Volkswagen.

1928 DKW E300 Motorcycle

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1929 Open-Top Charabanc
Puzzling photo received from Patricia Morepiffle (UK) asking if it is possible for us to identify when and where this photo was taken. Her father is far right (standing). He lived in Bristol and Croydon in the 1920s. -- It is difficult to identify location of a specific tree countrywide! Bit of research though says 'Queen of the Road' company was based in Fishponds Road in Bristol, so unlikely from Croydon. The 'cloche' ladies hats, rudimentary windows and solid metal wheels suggest  cca 1929.

c1929 Open-Top Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934 Austin Sixteen Six Saloon
Couple of photos sent by G S Hancock (UK) who isa trying to identify the car in attached photos which we have slightly enhanced. No idea about this car. Many thanks in anticipation of your response. --  Photo is dated 1936. Registration  CRF 465 is County Cuncil of Stafford, early 1934, so the car is about two years old in that photo. The 'A' on the bumper and winged badge symbol on the radiator, as well as wing not scuttle mounted sidelights  advises this is a cca 1934 Austin Sixteen Six Saloon.

1934 Austin Sixteen Six Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1935 Rover 12 P1 Six Light Saloon
Difficult photo received from Paul Beardsley 
(UK) asking if  it is possible to say anything about the model and date of the two cars in the attached picture?  -- The car on the right is a little easier as it is a production model 1934-1936 from a range of 12s 1905 to 1948. This one later became known as the P1 with a 1496cc four engine on an underslung chassis. Body was steel panels on wooden frame. Two x three side windows so this is a  cca 1935 Rover 12 P1 Six Light Saloon.

1935 Rover 12 P1 Six Light Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1939 Humber Pullman Special Limo
Difficult photo received from Paul Beardsley 
(UK) asking if  it is possible to say anything about the model and date of the two cars in the attached picture?  -- The car on the left is very difficult because it is a rear view of a coacbuilt car that is very pixly. Sloping back, no rear spare, number under bumper, 3 sets windows, forward opening suicide doors (one open?), and quite big wheel hubcaps. Probably a cca 1939 Humber Pullman Special Limousine by Trupp & Maberly, 4086 straight 6.

939 Humber Pullman Special Limo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1952 Dodge  Fargo  Model B Pick-up
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK) received this photo from s friend and both wondered what it was. They think that this photo was taken in about 1966 in Dorset. It is intriguing as to the make of this truck? --  Probably a British vehicle made in Kew, in West London, by an American company from Detroit USA formed by the demise of Maxwell Chalmers and the formation of Chryser Corporation which was swallowing other demised companies.  This  is a  cca 1952 Dodge  Fargo  Model B  Pickup.

1952 Dodge  Fargo  Model B Pick-up

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1953 Tempo Hanseat Pristiche
Cinema screen grab taken from a German musical film" Wie werde ich Filmstar?" (How Do I Become a Film Star?) made in 1955 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Story of a couple of hopeful girls who fall for a hoax film test fraud -- Interesting popular vehicle in Germany made by a company founded in 1924 in Hamberg, confirming three-wheelers s were not only made in UK. This is a cca 1953 Tempo Hanseat which from the photo seems to be the Pristiche pick-up, 15HP 396cc.

1953 Tempo Hanseat Pristiche
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