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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1897'8 De Dion Bouton Tricycles
Couple of photos from Alex Stevenson (UK) of a Benz owned by Grandparents Clifton and Ethel Hilder, from Sevenoaks. In one of them are two three-wheeled vehicles which we looked at further. -- Different models made by the same manufacturer who started out making steam vehicles. After Trepardoux left in 1894, Count Jules-Albert De Dion and Georges Bouton started manufacturing petrol driven trikes in 1897. These two are c1897 1.25HP and c1898 1.7HP De Dion Bouton Trycicles.

1897 and 1898 De Dion Bouton Tricycles

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1899 & 1900 Benz Velo
Couple of photos from Alex Stevenson (UK) of a Benz Dog Cart ? owned by Grandparents Clifton and Ethel Hilder, from Sevenoaks. The other is of author Vita Sackville-West and mother, from Knole House. Are they the same vehicle? -- Different cars. Our expert Bryan Goodman advises they are a 1899 and 1900 Benz Velo  models, with curved boot lid. UK agents in 1894 for Benz were Arnold Motor Carriage Co, Paddock Wood. Bryan advises  both cars  likely  from  F W Bywater  shop in  Sevenoaks.

1899 & 1900 Benz Velo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1906 Argyll Side Entrance Tourer
Photo of a photo with unfortunate flash bounce sent to us by Martin Hodgson (Australia) asking if we could help to identify a vehicle owned by his great grandfather. The picture is from a collection held by his grandmother. --  The flash did not help and took me in the wrong direction. Fortunately corrected by one of our wise sages who advised this was a Scottish made car. Registration is London, and car was a cca 1906 Argyll Side Entrance Tourer, poss 10'12hp.  Liquidated 1908/1932.

1906 Argyll Side Entrance Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1906 FIAT Open Tourer
Another from a batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  He is now sending some really difficult ones which we are not able to identify. This one is also very difficult but a couple of our experts believe this is a cca 1906 Fiat Tourer. The radiator is of the correct pattern, it has oval  badge and plate on bulkhead, wheel hubs match  as does the front axle. 

1906 FIAT Open Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1910 Hotchkiss 20'30 Roi de Belges
Cinema screen grab from aBritish made for TV Movie "Gentlemen's Relish."  made in 2001 where the cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film stars Billy Connolly, Sarah Lancashire and Douglas Henshall artish getting a camera and being hoodwinked by friends into making 'nude artistic tableaux'.   --  Although British film, and many British cars to chose from, they chose a car made by a French cannon manufacturer from  Paris. This  is  a  cca 1910  Hotchkiss  20'30  Roi d e  Belges Tourer.

1910 Hotchkiss 20'30 Roi de Belges Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Humber 12'20 Tourer
Lovely bunch of phots sent to us by Peter Loose (Australia) of his grandmother and the Collin family in their old car. Photos were taken at the beginning of WW1 in Brisbane Australia. He has searched in vain for the year make and model. Badge looks like a Mercer? --  Regretfully looking on the wrong continent. This is a British car. Very distinctive inset wheel hubs, wire wheels; front mudguards with sides, rounded scuttle and gas lamps,  all date  this to a  cca 1911 Humber 12'20 Tourer.

1911 Humber 12'20 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Arrol Johnston 15.9HP Tourer
Lovely WW1  photo sent to us by Serge Conein from Malvern (UK) interested in social history. Perhaps Arrol Johnson as it is a Scottish photographer ? --  Took a bit longer to confirm identification because of a couple of inconsistencies. Arrol Johnson had either humpy rads with low bonnet hinges, or curved rads and high hinges. Not this one; curved and low. A-J did however make a series of cars for the War Office with this feature,  so this would be a  cca 1913 Arrol Johnston 15.9HP Tourer.

1913 Arrol Johnston 15.9HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Peugeot Landaulette 
Cinema screen grab from a British Film " Room with a View "  made in 1985 where the cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Taken from E M Foster's 1908 book. Romantic drama set in England and Italy about a young woman's fancy for a young man met in an Italian pension with a view. --  Initial suggestions of a Unic or a Wolseley Taxi, but in our opinion the curved front to radiator top and the very ornate stylised big cut-out badge suggests a cca 1913/14 Peugeot Landaulette, poss Taxi.

1913 Peugeot Landaulette Taxi

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1916 Studebaker Four Touring
Couple of period  photos received from Brian White (UK) of cars 'owned by family of a friend of my wife, and I have been asked to name them- which I can't. Are you able to tell me some details about them??'  -- Distinctive radiator. This model features a badge, split rim wheels of American pattern, no front brakes, no petrol cap, and a strange registration which is not visible. Lady in back with a 'native' chauffeur, suggesting 'colonial' location.  Car is cca 1916 Studebaker Four Touring.

1916 Studebaker Six Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1921 Daimler 30 Landaulette
Couple of period  photos received from Brian White (UK) of cars 'owned by family of a friend of my wife, and I have been asked to name them- which I can't. Are you able to tell me some details about them??'  -- Distinctive fluted radiator, no windows to driver's cab, no front brakes, and registration XF 423#, which is London County Council issue of January 1921. Pinpoints the car to be an originally chauffeur driven cca 1921 Daimler 30 Open-Drive Landaulette, like the cars used by Royalty!

1921 Daimler 30 Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1921 Thornycroft Charabanc
Interesting photo submitted by Fiona Cormier (Canada) from a friend showing his parents from Totley (Sheffield) with a church outing in 1912. What is the vehicle and where photoed? -- Unlikely 1912. Teign Cars were a company in Teignmouth, Devon and seem from the photo to be based in Regent Street next to WHS. Had a number of coaches registered c1921. This reg illegible but c1921 Thornycroft Charabanc, probably modified WW1 Army Q type lorry, as Tein not on list of clients.

c1921 Thornycroft Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Maxwell 25 Sports Touring
Slightly fuzzy but lovely period photo received from Ken Hosking (South Africa) saying the photo was taken in Durban, South Africa, of family members. He found a windscreen so beautifully manufactured that his curiosity was triggered and prompted investigation on the make and age of the windscreen/car. -- Slightly difficult but our Mark Dawber thinks this is an American cca 1924 Maxwell 25 Sports Touring. Maxwell were imported in  SA from 1910. Became  Chrysler Corporation  in 1925.

1924 Maxwell 25 Sports Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Bayliss-Thomas 10'22 Tourer
Really fascinating photo sent to us by John Fenn (UK) found in his mother's photo album after she had died. She often talked her travels with her father James Francis Simpson to remote parts of Britain for holidays/rallies. Grandfather drove Alvis cars and photo depicts car boarding a "ferry" to a Scottish island. --  Registration is Liverpool 1925. Confirmed by Alvis OC not Alvis but unusual Birmingham made cca 1925 Bayliss-Thomas 10'22 Mulliner Tourer. About 1000 BT cars made '21-29.

1925 Bayliss-Thomas 10'22 Mulliner Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 FIAT 520 Taxi
Cinema screen grab from an Italian film "È più facile che un cammello.."  made in 1951 where the cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about a chap prevented from entering heaven and given an opportunity to return to redeem himself.  --  The badge has the FIAT in light on a dark background. This badge was current 1925 to 1929. Car is medium size, plain not patterned rad header, split windscreen, and has a windscreen upstand.  All this  suggests a  cca 1927  FIAT 520  Taxi.

1927 FIAT 520 Taxi

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 Marmon Two Passenger Roadster
Lovely photo received from Charles Dagenais (France) saying the period is 1935-40 in the outskirts of Montreal, Canada. The car is certainly American made, driver and passenger are his uncles.  -- The main pointer to this vehicle is the widow's peak molding on the top of the radiator above the oval badge. The actual giveway on this photo, spotted by our Mark Dawber in NZ, is the legend 'Marmon' on spare tyre. This is a  cca 1928 Marmon 78  Two Passenger Roadster  & Rumble Seat.

1928 Marmon Two Passenger Roadster

TRACING OWNERS:1928 Graham Paige 614 Mulliner Saloon
Current photo from Ernie Riches (UK) of a 1928 Graham Paige 614 Saloon with a Fabric Mulliner Body rescued from a barn. Imported as a RHD chassis from the USA. Second owner was traced who came from Somerset. His daughter advised that the original owner bought car from the Graham Paige Showroom in London, and had the Mulliner body put on it. Who was the first owner? -- Regretfully we have no access to DVLA ownership records so cannot help.  Can anybody provide the info?

1928 Graham Paige 614 Mulliner Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 Horch 350 Limousine
Cinema screen grab from a German film "Emil und die Detektive"  made in 1931 where the cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Taken from Erich Kästner's book, the only one that escaped Nazi censorship, about a young boy whose money was stolen on a train and the 25 children in Berlin chasing thief. --  Initial suggestions American Cadillac but Caddy has a square bar badge, whereas this has circular badge with a figure 8 in it which suggests a cca 1928 Horch eight cylinder 350 poss limousine. 

1928 Horch eight cylinder, possibly a 350 limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 Hudson Dual Cowl Phaeton
Very blurry photo received from Anthony Vassallo, Vice chairman, Old Motors Club (Malta) saying they were told that this was the 3rd car brought to Malta. Came from Egypt (Alexandria) with a Mr. Felix Borda. They know that the first two cars were a c1904 Siddley and a Cadillac; so, would it  be that era?  -- No, the photo is of a very much later vehicle and unlikely to have been the 3rd car in Malta. Possibly American Nash but our Mark Dawber, in NZ, says a cca 1929 Hudson Dual Cowl Phaeton.

1929 Hudson Dual Cowl Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1933 Buick Series 60 Sedan
Another couple period photos received from Charles Dagenais (France) saying the era and context are Montreal (and surroundings) in the late 40's. The car is certainly American-made. The new difficulty is that the car is visible only by the back or, faintly, by the side. Some features  visible which may help.   -- Main feature is the faint 'B' on the spare wheel which immediately points us to General Motors and a cca 1933 Buick Series 60 Sedan. Buicks also made in Canada by McLaughlin Buick.

1931 Buick Series 60 Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1941 Dodge D21 Deluxe
Another period photo received from Charles Dagenais (France), this one simply notated " 1946 famille GROJ T excursion à New-York " . -- This one was bit difficult because only the car front is in the picture and most of that  is obscured. After study of the upper part of the grille visible between the two ladies we thought it could be the upmarket 1941 Plymouth P11D,  but after announcing so on these pages, we were advised by Charles that this is the same 1941 Dodge as below.  Hmmm! 

1941 Dodge D21 Deluxe

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1941 Dodge D21 Deluxe Sedan
Lovely period photo received from Charles Dagenais (France) saying this photo of his Uncle, a Montreal (Canada) resident, was taken in at Hampton Beach, New Hampshire, USA, during a visit to New York in September 1949.  -- Front bumpers with the upturn at the top say the car was made by the Chrysler Corporation, an American company with a factory in Windsor, Ontario, Canada, which had been the Maxwell Chalmers  factory in 1924. This  is a  cca 1941 Dodge D21 Deluxe Sedan.

1941 Dodge D21 Deluxe Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1949 Chevrolet Two-door Coupe
Lovely period photo received from Charles Dagenais (France) saying the setting of this photo is Montreal in October 1949. The car is certainly American. The driver is his father and it is possibly his first car.  -- American car indeed, made by General Motors. This is from the just post WW2 period when civilian production restarted. This is from the first remodeled range, a cca 1949 Chevrolet Two Door Coupe and from lack of chrome strip on wing, this model is a Styleline rather than a Fleetline.

1949 Chevrolet Two-door Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1991 Nissan Figaro
Photo submitted by Rose Scott (UK) of a car photographed at London City Airport in 2013. Could we identify the make and model? --  This looks a bit like a classic car and was probably the first of the 'retro look' new cars.  We get this question quite often and an earlier entry is on Help Page 24. The car is Japanese, a cca 1991 Nissan Figaro Coupe Convertibleintroduced 1989 in Tokyo, 8,000 made. A batch was made in 1991 of about 12,000 cars.  Was featured on BBC Andrew Marr Show.

1991 Nissan Figaro Coupe Convertible

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unidentified Open Tourer
Another from a batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  No, and neither it seems does anybody else!! We have tried all our in-house and external experts and our friends at the AACA in case it was American. Nobody had any ideas although consensus is European, poss Teutonic? Oval badge. Nearest radiator seems a French cca 1919 Buchet Toppedo.

Unknown Tourer in Romania

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown 1950s Autocycle
Fascinating photo submitted by Ravindra Naruka (India) saying he has
a great passion for vintage British motorcycles and has collected some old beauties. Recently he has acquired a motorcycle of which many parts were missing and which he is trying hard to identify. -- Regretfully we have not been able to help as we do not think this is a mainstream British machine because of being pedal assisted. This is common European feature on 1950s autocycles & cyclemotors including Russian.

Unknown 1950s Autocycle
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