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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1903 Thomas Model 18 Tonneau
Photo received from Tom Benjey (USA)
of five Carlisle Indian School football team visiting St. Louis,
Missouri in late 1908. The car could have been used at the 1904 St.
Louis World's Fair (or the Louisiana Purchase Centennial held a year
late). The picture is unhelpful in not showing any of the lower parts. In
view of the bonnet having no flap on the nose and having a single
central headlamp we consulted with our AACA colleagues and have
determined that this is cca
1902 Thomas Model 18.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1903 NAG Triple-row Phaeton
Lovely 1903 postcard received from Jan
Sekta, (Poland) which
probably shows officers from the Fortress Boyen in Gizycko. The
car seems to have a circular radiator which our Swedish correspondent
Leif Holberg suggested could be a German NAG, confirmed as a cca 1903
NAG, possibly the 4 cylinder 20PS car. NAG was a division of AEG the
famous German Electrical Company which started car manufacture in
1900, lasting to 1934, when
commercials only continued as Bussing-NAG.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1904 Darracq 15HP Tonneau
Period photo received from Alan
Bourne, Abingdon (UK)
from an elderly lady who claims it to be one of the first cars in
Scotland, at a large country house near Glasgow which still exists as a
hotel. -- Certainly one of the
early cars in Scotland, 13th car registered by Greenock Borough Council
in early 1904. Cars had been in use since late 1890s, so cars would not
therefore have been unusual in Scotland. Subsequently identified NOT
as an Argyll but a cca
1904 Darracq 15HP .
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1905 Maxwell Model H
Lovely period photo received from Steve
McBrady (USA)
of a car he believes his Grandfather photographed in 1915. Was it a
Ford? -- No not a Ford nor
what we initially thought was a White. With the assistance of our friends
at the AACA we have determined that the car is fact a
cca 1905 Maxwell Model H. The negative may have been flipped
so we have reversed it to show RHD steering. The 'protuberances' on the
lower bonnet hide a two cylinder engine and separate flap
for the spark plug.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1906 Ariès Omninbus 12'14HP
Newspaper cutting photo received from Ruben
Arauz (Panama) who
would like to know the manufacturer of what he understands was
the first car in the Republic of Panama, brought from Paris in 1906. Is
it a Renault taxi or bus? -- We
are relatively sure it is not a Renault. Renault cars and busses
had the radiator behind the bonnet, and the first Renault bus was not
made until 1907. We are also relatively sure this is a near Paris made
cca 1906 Ariès Omnibus 12/14HP, 12 - 16 passenger.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1906 Mitchell B4 Two Seater
Enquiry posted by Idigghx
(USA) based
on one of his ambrotypes. Due to mold, the slide became destroyed but he
had carefully previously captured the image. The photo was a digitally
enhanced version of the slide. He wanted to
find out the year, make and model of the
car. -- The
photo was quite distorted so we corrected it. We are almost certain that
this a USA made car being
a cca 1906 Mitchell B4 Two Seater
but it has
been suggested that it could be a C4. Other makes had similar rads.
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: cca
1908 Stanley Steamer
Photo received from Mark Walther (Philippines)
who asked permission to reproduce our
article about Steam powered automobiles in the city of Baguio,
Philippines. This relates to our main article "Stanley
Steamers in 1908 Philippines". The
vehicles shown in the photo are however the subsequently purchased cca 1910
De Dion Bouton Charabancs which were
introduced into service mainly because the Stanleys consumed
vast quantities of water, not having
condensers.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 BSA Tourer
Cropped photo received from Mary
Pellatt (UK)
found among a selection of items from her mother's effects while
compiling a family tree. Is it is possible to find the original owner's
name; if the name was Allkins that would be a real bonus! --
Registration is Birmingham CBC but records
no longer exist. There is no trace of this number in current DVLA
records. So car was probably scrapped and unlikely to find out. The car
is very unusual, being a cca
1909 BSA Tourer, possibly 25/33HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 Adler Truck
One of a number of very interesting photos
submitted by Cartom Weaving showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s
Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. He was
after information on the centre vehicle. --
Regretfully the photo appears scanned from print so moire dots make
identification difficult when magnified. None the less, we are
relatively sure this is a cca
1909 Adler Truck from Germany. Adler imported American bicycles
in 1880, and still makes typewriters.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1911 Jackson Tourer
Photo submitted by Jasong (USA)
who thought that the diamond logo may help. -- The
car is obviously north American but unfortunately a number of makes had
a diamond shaped logo; Everitt, Dorris, Page, McLaughlin etc. Our
colleagues at the AACA had a leaning towards the Everitt but we were
relatively sure because of the full elliptics and very stubby dumbirons,
cut-offs on side of the radiator at bottom and pronounced dip in
the front axle, all suggest a cca
1911 Jackson Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1911 Mathis Baby Torpedo
One of a number of very interesting photos
submitted by Cartom Weaving showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s
Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. --
This one has remained unidentified for a
while but on return viewing it seems to be cca
1911 Mathis Baby Torpedo. Torpédo
is a European name for an open touring car. In France it would also
refer to a car with a pointed back. The word torpedo (in submarine)
originates from an electric ray torpediniformes.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1913 Bianchi Tourer
Photo
received from Ian Bullock (UK) showing
his Great Grandfather 'and his son', taken in Cheadle Cheshire. -- As
it is quite an unusual car we asked for more information but did not
receive courtesy of a reply. Registration CH 871 was issued by Derby
County Borough Council in late 1913. We are relatively sure the car is
of Italian origin with a British body. The badge on the radiator
suggests a cca 1913 Bianchi Tourer, possibly a 12/18. Bianchi were
then third largest manufacturer in Italy.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1913 Rudge 500cc Combination
Two photos
received from Brenda Batchelor (UK).
This one with the motorcycle shows her father, Richard (Jack) Herniman
standing and his brother Thomas George seated. -- Our
motorcycle expert Geoff Morris advises the motorcycle is a cca
1913 Rudge 500 cc combination with exquisite dropped
handlebars ! It has a West Ham registration, but individual records do
not appear to have survived. It is not a Rudge 'Multi' but a standard
500 cc Rudge, nevertheless a very desirable bike.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1914 Ford Model T Speedster
Photo submitted by Jim Mooney (USA) showing
his father's first car. He thought it was a Model T with a Morton &
Brett aftermarket body. Our colleagues at the AACA Confirmed it was a
cca 1914 Model T Ford but were not so
sure about the body, suggesting possibly a PACO body. There was a
significant industry devoted to manufacturing aftermarket accessories
for the Model T and it was common to alter your Model T so that it
stands out from the crowd; number of examples on these pages.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1914 Oakland Tourer
Two photos
received from Brenda Batchelor (UK).
This one with Jack Herniman left and George at the back. At this time
they were probably living at Stratford, West Ham. T G Herniman ran an
engineering business under the name of T G Sorrell (his mother's maiden
name) during the 1920s, not very far from Chapel Street. -- The
car has taken a bit of identifying but with help from our Tim Harding,
it an unusual cca
1914 Oakland Tourer from USA (- later
Pontiac). 12,000 made in 1915 !
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1918 Bianchi Sports
Another small photos received from Mahmoud
Ezzeldin (Egypt) asking for identification.
Photos shows Prince Abass Halim of the Egyptian royal family, grandson
of Prince Mohamed Abdel-Halim and son of Mohamed Ali, the founder of the
dynasty. Standing is the chauffeur. --
This is not a positive identification
as our experts have not come up with an answer. The little sub lights
typical of German and Italian cars. Rad does not seem 'Germanic'
and does look much like a cca
1918 Bianchi.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1920 JL Tourer
Photo received from Philip Rowett (UK)
from albums that belonged to his great-uncle Harold Giblett, who was
employed by Vauxhall Motors between 1910 and 1914, as Chief Draughtsman
to Laurence Pomeroy. Our experts have not come up with any suggestions.
The radiator has the popular overseas V shape, but I think it could be
the UK made cca
1920 JL Tourer. Not much is known
except that the cars were built in Dulwich, London, used 1.5L Decolange
engine and bodywork in plywood.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1926 Donnet-Zedel Sports
Cinema screen grab received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) of a car which
appeared in a 1938 film called 'Orage' and is being
investigated on IMCDB. -- We
are relatively sure this an 'exotic' French car because it
carries the famous Lalique 'victoire' flying head mascot. Initial
thoughts of Georges Irat were superseded by being relatively certain
this is a cca
1926 Donnet-Zedel. The most significant pointers were two
filler caps on bonnet, and the miniscule mudguard mounted
sidelamps.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Late
1920s Renaults in France
Photo received from David
Williams, Bristol, (UK)
trying to identify the location of the picture from the cars with
'pointed radiators'. The ships in the picture were from 1927 until 1932
part of the Mediterranean Fleet. Ships with visible pennant
numbers are V & W Class destroyers of about 1917, Vimiera 23;
Vampire 68 and Waterhen 22, all served until the end of WW2. -- We
think that the 'pointed radiators' are in fact the scuttle bonnets
of French
Renaults, between 1924 - 30, so France.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1927 Austro Daimler AD 617
Cinema screen grab received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) of a car which
appeared in a 1932 film called 'Shanghai Express' and is being
investigated on IMCDB. -- We
are relatively sure this a
cca 1926/8 Austro Daimler AD
617. It has the
sharp edge on the radiator profile unlike some of the other A-D models
which were more rounded. A-D made German Daimlers under Licence. Emile
Jellinek, of daughter Mercedes, had Austrian firm selling A-D cars
as Maja, - other daughter.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1929 Chevrolet 1.5 Ton Trucks
Really quite fascinating set of photos
received from Alan Weeks (UK)
of history society on the Cheshire/Staffordshire border. They are giving
a talk about a trip the local lord of the manor (Sir Philip Brocklehurst)
undertook with his wife and a mechanic across the Sahara in 1930 (the
first convoy of fewer than 3 cars). --
The vehicles were American 1929
Chevrolet Series LQ 1.5 Ton Trucks with
custom made UK bodies. The UK registration dates them to Autumn 1929,
registered at the London C.C.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1929 Chevrolet Four Door Sedan
Quirky photo received from Ruddy Sommereyns of Temse
(Belgium)
who found a lot of negatives at a local fleamarket and
converted to a positive images with the computer. Can we identify the
car? He thought it must be around between 1930 and 1940. -- Yes
indeed you are nearly correct. We believe the car is a cca
1929 Chevrolet Four Door Sedan. Photo
suggests perhaps why there are not so many lady mechanics; pumping up a
bumper and putting a starting handle into the
headlight.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1934 Diamond T Bus
Photo received from Mark Walther (Philippines)
who asked permission to reproduce our
article about Steam powered automobiles in the city of Baguio,
Philippines. He also sent us a much later photo of a much more
modern bus at Session Road Baguio Market and wondered if we could advise
what it was. The shape of the radiator cowl suggest it could be an
American cca
1934 Diamond T Bus. Diamond T
were well known for their heavy prime
movers, military and WW2 tank transporters.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1951 Mercedes 170
Another photo received from Philippa
Elmhirst (UK) of her
parents in Kenya with their car and with a sailing boat built by
her father. She wanted to pinpoint the date.
-- We
have an interesting problem here. The car is a cca
1951 Mercedes 170. The registration
'looks British'. If so, Blackburn CBC in 1958. However
Philippa is sure the photo was taken in Kenya. It does seem that all
Kenyan plates started with K and looked UK. Seems silly to have
two identical plates in the same Empire!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1958 Anzani Astra Microvan
Information received from our Member Tony
Spencer (UK)
saying he owned a quirky microvan in the 1950s. He purchased new a 1958
Anzani Astra Light Commercial Utility.
The car was built by a subsidiary of the British Anzani Engineering Co
Ltd in Middlesex and had an underfloor 322cc Anzani engine. It was a two
seater station wagon which was advertised as being fully owner
maintainable and able to give fully loaded 60mpg. Cost £347.16.00.
Unfortunately it caught fire and burnt!
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