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The SVVS Website currently
receives approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage photo or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed, cars are in year
order:
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1894
Dalifol 1.5 Bicycle Steamer
Another request for identification from
our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand). Marked as
'tilly'. --
Bike on the left was entered in 1897 Emancipation Run by Frenchman GVA
Lormont as a
1894 Dalifol 1.5HP Bicycle
Steamer. Did not finish and
left bike at Newhaven Station for 44 years until donated to Science
Museum. Lormont had worked for Bavarian Hidebrand Brothers and one of
their sons later identified it as a Hidebrand prototype. Water in the
rear mudguard, coke fire in range under crossbar and flash steam
boiler, cranked cylinder to rear wheel.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1901 Locomobile Steamer
Poor photo received from Roger
Lovell (USA)
saying not much to go on but hope you can recognize the car. This is
George Eli Whitney in a car after 1900 in Derry NH. --
Relatively well known car at the time with
unusual body. Two of our experts agree this is a
steamer from the USA and is one of the two companies growing out of
first Stanley car. This is cca
1901 Locomobile Steamer. Body is
unusual in being steered from the rear seat, passengers facing forward,
- or backward as a vis a vis.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1904 Darracq Tonneau
Puzzling photo received from Par Sorliden (Sweden)
seen at the Hälsingborg museum in Sweden
of an early car that he cannot identify. --
The car looked familiar and was confirmed
by our Ariejan Bos as an whearly Darracq. We have had this radiator
before whose shape was only produced
during a short period 1903-4. Very similar to the
"Genevieve", of the film. Has a very long bonnet which suggests
a cca
1904 Darracq Rear Entrance Tonneau,
either the 15'20 or the 30'35HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1905 Simms-Welbeck 20HP Tourer
Puzzling enquiry received from
Kath Clark, Heritage Delivery Officer, Craven Council (UK)
asking if we knew
of the Craven Car, manufactured in Skipton, North Yorkshire and whether
it was that pictured in the advert. --
Can confirm there is no Craven in any encyclopedia
or makers list, apart one USA non-starter. On the ad is a c1905
Simms-Welbeck 20HP for whom were
agents. In-period press mention of a car owned by Craven Co involved in
a car accident resulting in death of three horses.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1905 Clyde Commercial Van
Lovely photo received from Roger
Lovell (UK)
saying a local lady, the great-grandaughter of Mr Richardson, owner of
the van and whose shop was on Friar Lane in Leicester, a very
well-to-do part of town. It is said the van
was made by the local Leicester company Clyde, but no trace of vans? -- Not
a common make. Our Ariejan Bos has full document which confirms it is a
1905
Clyde Van. Company closed 1905 having
made 250 cars and only 25 commercial vehicles, so photo of a rare
vehicle indeed !
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1907 Oryx
Coupe de Ville Taxi
Puzzling photo received from Par Sorliden (Sweden)
seen at the Hälsingborg museum in Sweden
of early cars that he cannot identify. --
Car on left. Fantastic bit of detective
work by Ariejan Bos in Holland to determine that this is a cca
1907 Oryx 6'10 Coupe de Ville Taxi
with friction drive. This is a German car made by the Berliner
Motorwagen Fabrik better known for its commercial vehicles Eryx. Made
cars from 1900, Erdmann, FEG cars, and Oryx Taxis. Became Durkopp in
1909-22.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1907 Gaggenau 18'22 Landaulette
Puzzling photo received from Par Sorliden (Sweden)
seen at the Hälsingborg museum in Sweden
of early cars that he cannot identify. Seem Taxis? --
Our Ariejan Bos advises car on right is
quite unusual being a German
cca 1907 Gaggenau Open Drive Landaulette,
made by Bergmanns Ind'werke, later
Süddeutsche Automobilfabrik Gaggenau, also making Orient Express,
Lilliput, SAF, SAG and Safe. Very advanced engines, first Trans-Africa
car. Taken-over 1907 by Benz, in Gaggenau !
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1908 Itala 75HP Tourer
Photo from our regular contributor Mark Dawber of (New
Zealand) from a post requiring naming of
vehicle. Captioned Sir Thomas Lipton in his Daimler
1913. -- Founder
Liptons shops and Tea. He did have Daimler 20 in 1906, but this is NOT it. H 317# is Middlesex CC reg but
dating data lost (c 1906?). Our Ariejan Bos advises this fits the
rad/bonnet of an Italian
cca 1908'9 Itala
Tourer, possibly the 75HP
model. Similar car at the time, a 1907 Itala 35'45 7L, won the Peking
to Paris race in 1907.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1909 SCAT 22'32 Torpedo
Lovely photo received from 'Star'
expert Neale Lawson (UK)
who had received it as a possible Star. Neale confirmed not a Star but
was not sure of exact make. -- Not
common make at all. It is an Italian car, built by the Ceirano
Brothers who were responsible for much of the early Italian motor
industry including Società Ceirano
Automobili Torino, 1906-32; this a cca
1909 SCAT 22'32 HP Torpedo, four
Cylinder 3770cc. Active Agents for UK
and Colonies : Newton & Bennet, in Manchester.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908
Rilrey 9HP Tricar
A bunch of lovely photos received from
Allan Winn (UK)
originating from the Duncan Ferguson
family and taken in Northumberland, near the Scottish border. -- Registrations
appears to be CC 244 which is a Caernarvon CC issue of 1908 (near
Anglesey). David Hales advises this was issued to
CTD Edwards of Bangor and Edinburgh on 10th April
for a 1908
Rilrey Tricar 9hp twin-cylinder fitted
with very unusual two-seater forecar. Most such vehicles were fitted
with only a single seat forecar.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1910 Ford Model T Pickup
Cinema screen grab taken from a American
TV Miniseries " Self Made: Inspired by the Life of Madam C.J.
Walker" made in 2020 where cars are being investigated by
IMCDB. Biography based on
The Harlem Renaissance in the 1920s, known as the "New Negro
Movement". --
Interesting bunch of cars which all seem to be Ford Model Ts. The
pickup which is being investigated on the right has no front doors so
is cca
1910 Ford Model T Pickup, possibly based on a runabout or
roadster.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1911 Delaunay
Belleville Limousine
Suggestion from Par Sorliden (Sweden)
that car on HP152
which we marked 'possibly' Opel may be
Delaunay Belleville. Originally from Lars
Magnuson (Sweden)
trying to identify car driven by grandfather
Johan Edward Magnuson. -- Unusual
bonnet with hatch opening. Ariejan
Bos thought possibly a cca 1912 Opel Open Drive Limousine
but I was finding inconsistencies. Par Sorliden advises that
quite a few D-Bs were in use as taxis in Stockholm. So probably
c1911 D-B 12'28 Limousine.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1911 Thornycroft 18HP Tourer
Lovely photo received from Nick Goad (UK)
of a car apparently in service as a British Army staff car. The driver
in army uniform wears the cap badge of The King's (Liverpool Regiment).
What is the car? -- Looks
a bit Sunbeam but our experts Bruce
Dowell says No, and David Hales that it is a British
cca 1911 Thornycroft Tourer, probably
the 18hp P4. Lots of lorries/busses but only 450 cars ever made
1903-13; a couple survive. If photo taken in 1920 it was already some
10 years old.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Clement Bayard 12 CV Torpedo
Another request for identification from
our
regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a
post requiring naming of vehicle. Three cars in front of Criterion
Hotel, Alexandra, Otago, NZ. Left car marked Renault. --
NOT Renault as has Chevalier logo on front
of bonnet. Many Renault have opening flap there, sometimes louvered.
Also Renaults have two very wide brass stripes along the top of bonnet,
not lines. This seems to be equally French, cca
1913 Clement Bayard 12 CV Torpedo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Willys Overland Model 69 Touring
Another request for identification from
our
regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a
post requiring naming of vehicle. Three cars in front of Criterion
Hotel, Alexandra, Otago, NZ. Middle car unidentified. --
This car is American from s company
founded in 1903 in Terre Haute, Indianna, by Claude Cox working for
Standard Wheel Company. Moved to Indianapolis 1905 and was purchased by
John Willys 1912. This is a cca
1913 Willys Overland Model 69 Touring 25 HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Star 15 Gentleman's Roadster
Another request for identification from
our
regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a
post requiring naming of vehicle. Three cars in front of Criterion
Hotel, Alexandra, Otago, NZ. Right car unidentified. --
Detailed research suggests this very car
was available for sale in Saint Louis USA having crossed the pond in
1984 in a 747 cargo plane by its new owner, a Pan-Am pilot on
stop-over. This car is British from Wolverhampton and c1913
Star 15 Gentleman's Roadster.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1922 Austin 20'4 Landaulette
Lovely
photo received from Robin Bone,
Solihull (UK)
asking if we could identify the car.
Family lived in Surbiton and the person in the foreground is his
great-aunt, Violet Higgs, who was born in 1906. Assumed the car is from
the 1920s.-- No
registration visible to help dating, but no front brakes, which does.
This is Herbert Austins post WW1 one-model policy car, losely based on
Hudson 6, made 1919-30 in many body styles. This is cca
1922 Austin 20'4 Open Drive Landaulette.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927
Brough Superior BS4 Prototype
Another request for identification from
our
regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand). Marked as 'tilly'. --
"Tilly"
suggested Beatrice
Shilling a racing motorcyclist since
14, famous for inventing carburetor
which enabled Spitfires to fly upside-down!! Our Chas Moody
identifies the bike on right as an early 1927 Brough Superior BS4
Prototype with own air cooled V-4 side
valve engine and single rear wheel; this preceded the 10 off Austin
engined twin rear wheel production bikes.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1927
Citroen model B14G Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a British
film " Little Ashes" made in 2008 where cars are being investigated by
IMCDB. Based in Spain 1920-30s as Luis Buñuel watches
Salvador Dalí and Federico García Lorca fall in love..
-- French car made in Paris and is
the last of the B series cars, This is a
cca 1927 Citroen model B14G Saloon.
Four cylinder initially 1539cc later 1628cc 20HP, The all steel bodied
started in 1926, the B14F version in 1927 and the B14G 1928. Possibly
has later wheels.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1930 Graham Brothers Double-Decker
Another request for identification from
our
regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a
post requiring naming of vehicle. Bus in Calcutta, India. --
Advised by our Leyland busses prizewinner Mike
Sutcliffe that this is an American
cca 1930 Graham Brothers 2 Ton as
Double-Decker, possibly made in England, or local. Graham Bros was
purchased by Dodge 1925 who had British branch in Kew since 1922.
Chrysler purchased Dodge in 1928, merged with Daimler Benz AG
1968.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
c1934 Rytecraft Scootacar Mk1
Another request for identification from
our
regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a
post requiring naming of vehicle. Bus in Calcutta, India. --
Unusual little British vehicle like we had
on our first Help
Page in 2001. This
is a cca
1934 Rytecraft Scootacar. Looks a Mk 1
with no lights and plain rad, made by British Motor Boat Manufacturing
Co. Ltd., Kings Cross, London. Villiers 98cc Midget engine with a top
speed of 15mph. One of our SVVS Members went round world in one!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1935 Rolls Royce Phantom II
Another request for identification from
regular contributo Bill Stothard (UK) of
Cudworth Local History Group asking for identification of car belived
'Pop & Polly's Wedding Limo'. -- No
idea who they are but the car as advised by our Rolls Royce author Tom
Clarke is a cca
1935 Rolls Royce Phantom II chassis,
7.6L six, no.185TA body Sedanca de Ville by Windovers of London, built
for Lord Brownlow. Doesn't survive. Notice the Marchal headlamps.
Registration BYH 984 is London CC, mid 1935.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1937 Hotchkiss 686PN Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a
French film " Le Grand Carneaval" (The Big Carneval"
made in 1983 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Americans in
Algeria during the Allied invasion of North Africa in 1942.
Filmed in Tunisia. -- Car
is French, made in Saint-Denis, Paris, with badge of crossed cannons
signifying being an arms manufacturer, who came into cars in 1903. In
WW1 opened factory in England, sold 1923 to Morris Cars. No quaterlight,
so c
1937 Hotchkiss 686PN Saloon.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1958 SEAT 1400B Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a British
crime adventure film " The Man Inside" made in 1958 where cars are being investigated by
IMCDB. Story of a diamond robbery, a spending spree in Spain and other
crooks trying to muscle in.
-- Car made by company founded in
Spain in 1940 to develop indigenous car making facility. Bidders were Volkswagen
and Fiat. Fiat won as had earlier 'Fiat Hispania'. Assembled from
CKD in new factory in Barcelona, this is a cca
1958 SEAT 1400B Saloon, 1395cc four.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown
1920s Hill Climb Car
A fascinating photo received from Reg
Winstone (UK)
of Faustroll Books specialising in early 20th century French technology
showing this cyclecar with a distinctive underslung boxed
chassis and unusual front suspension. It seems to have been taken at
the Poix hillclimb meeting. -- 'Poix'
seems to be Poix de Picardie, North France near Amiens with a
steep-sided valley, The Poix Mountain
Climb was an annual event May or June 1921 to 1927. Wins: Voisin,
Panhard, Hispano, and Delages.
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