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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 
Possibly
cca 1902 Mors Special
Great photo from Jason Palmer (Australia)
purchased from late Bryan Goodman collection. --
Bryan was our friend and also of Ariejan Bos who
saw the photo originally but it remained unidentified. Ariejan's
current deliberations suggest a chassis of around 1902. Similar ring on
De Dietrich and P & L. However, when much enlarged the text on the
wheel hub suggests Societe Mors, as do the dumbirons and chain drive; a
handsome powerful car, possiblya
cca 1902 Mors with coachbuilt body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1902 Darracq 12HP Tonneau
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle.
Date of photo seems to be 1907 and car looks to be a De Dioin Bouton,
but what model? -- At
the turn of the century many cars looked alike following the fashion of
the day. Not a De Dion, but, as advised by Ariejan Bos, this is cca
1902 Darracq 12HP Tonneau, no doors.
The Darracq has horizontal short down-hanging dumbirons. De Dion's are
more normal.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1902
Oesterreichische Daimler 20HP
Another
puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is it an Austro Daimler? --
Looked German Daimler but confirmed by Ariejan Bos as 1902 20hp models,
introduced 1901 by Oesterreichische Daimler
(Austrian Daimler),
initially bits and owned by German Daimler who sold identical cars.
Honeycomb radiator was developed by Maybach and used on these
Phoenix-type Daimlers built 1897 and 1902. Similar rad later on first
Mercedes cars. Name Austro-Daimler used in 1911.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1903
De Dion Bouton Tonneau
Another
puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
an internet forum asking for ID. Is it a De Dion Bouton? --
Very posed Photo. It is indeed a cca
1903 De Dion Bouton Tonneau with some
interesting features. The running board is not connected to front
mudguard and has two supports. This therefore seems the long wheelbase
version so probably the larger Model 'V' which has a single cylinder
8HP engine. Hasrear handle so could have a tilting front seat.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904
Darracq 15HP Tourer
Another
puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
an internet forum asking for identification. --
Lovely photo of car which has and external distributor and has a
registartion plate with M 50#. Both help with identificatioin. The
registration is Chester County Council late 1904. Chester is
close to Liverpool. The round Ignition Timer housing to right of
the numberplate helps to say it is 1904
Darracq, and the size of vehicle
suggests it is the 15HP, and rear doors say a Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1906
Aerocar Model A 24HP Touring
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a forum wishing all a Very Happy Christmas.
Any Idea on the car? -- Initially
thought French Delahaye 1910 but then noticed there was no filler/cap
to the radiator, suggesting an air cooled car. Air cooling was not very
popular in Europe and wheels suggested an American car. So, indeed an
American car from Detroit being a cca
1906 Aerocar Model A 24HP Touring,
four cylinder air-cooled. Next model was water-cooled.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1910
LGOC Type B Buses
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
asking for identification of the vehicles. Three AEC B Types?
-- Confused by the London County Cl
registration, and the B bus numbering, going in opposite directions.
Newall advises LN registrations were 1906-7. Cherished plates? From reg
and logo not AECs as AEC not until 1912. These are cca
1910 LGOC Type B Double Decker Busses
made and operated by the London General Omnibus Co, Cricklewood Garage
1911.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907
Straker Squire Bus
From the above puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
asking for identification of the LGOC vehicles, - what is that hiding
at the back on the left? -- Quite
interesting and would have been hard to identify as it is so well
hidden, were it not for the very unusual very long radiator which goes
almost to the ground. This is indicative of the cca
1907 Straker Squire Double Decker Bus.
In 1909 they dominated the London bus Market. Registration seems to be
York ??
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Probably c1910 Mercedes Tourer
Very puzzling photo received from Gavin Rayner (UK)
advising photo was Melbourne c1912, chauffeur
Theopile Paris. Is it a FN? --
Too many things against it being a Belgian
FN, probably not Italian, not Benz but with a segmented rad; so we contacted our
Ariejan Bos who is relatively sure it is a cca 1910 Daimler
Mercedes 12'15 HP from their early small range, having the 10 spoke
front wheel. Complicated by having a round badge but seems
Mercedes in UK (probably 'Empire') had round badge.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1913 Brasier 12'14 CV Torpedo
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle.
Looks a Brasier but what year/model? -- Indeed a
Paris made Brasier, post Richard Brasier period. Tapered scuttle
and petrol cap going through the scuttle. In 1914 the radiator edges
became rounded but this has a square edged radiator which all suggests
a
cca 1913 Brasier 12'14 CV
Torpedo. Became Chaigneau-Brasier in
1926'1931 >Irat >Delahaye.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1914 Rochet
Schneider Torpedo
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
asking for identification of the vehicles. Photo
possibly 1920s, car earlier, perhaps American?? --
The radiator is reminiscent of the early
Model T, and a newer one in the picture as car behind. Te car in
forefront is a French car made in Lyons pre WW1. It has a pre-VEE
bullnose radiator and post-curved scuttle, so this is a cca 1914 Rochet
Schneider Torpedo; long bonnet so big 12'18HP, possibly
28HP Torpedo
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1915 Sunbeam 16'20 Staff Car
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle.
The bus is probably a LGOC but what is the car?
-- The Bus is indeed a cca 1911 LGOC B
Type double-decker bus, one of over 950 used by the British Army
as troop carriers in WW1, or converted to carrier-pigeon lofts or armored
Gun carriers. Car in background looks very much like a cca
1915 Sunbeam 16'20 Tourer frequently
used by the Army as a Staff Car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1918 Mors 12CV Two-Seater
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle.
Suggested location as UK. -- Not UK as roadside
advertising on other than official hoardings was not normal. Car
registration is French, a part of Paris. The car is a French Mors, post
Andre Citroen management, but very difficult to date as has electrics,
rounded radiator & round mudguards, suggesting post WW1/modified cca
1916 Mors Two-Seater, poss 12 CV.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920
Thornycroift Type X Charabanc
Another puzzling photo received from Premp Memp (UK)
taken in Warwick at around 1910. -- Warwick
is in central England near the car cities of Coventry/Birmingham. The
registration on the vehicle is XC 9083 which is a London County Council
Registration of Late June 1920. This leaves the possibility of this
being a bus built on a WW1 chassis and reregistered later. More likely
this is a new, and as it is quite big but plain cast wheels would be cca
1920 Thornycroift Type X Charabanc.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1922
Rolls Royce Kegresse
In the process of researching my article
on Lenin's Rolls Royce
I came across this photo of a car labeled " 1910's Rolls-Royse
given to Lenin " --
Amazing
mount of totally wrong mis-information is continuing to be disseminated
by 'first ranking' internet organizations without checking if the facts
are actually true or accurate. This is actually a 1922
Rolls Royce Silver Ghost bodied and
fitted with Kegresse tracks in Russia
some six years after Lenin died and not
possibly used like this by Lenin.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1926
Renault Type NM 40 CV Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from a n American Film "A Notorious
Affair" made in 1930 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB.
Film is about a daughter of a British aristocrat who marries a poor
violinist. --
Car with coal scuttle bonnet limits choice, especially one with lots of
louvers at back of a very long bonnet, so most likely a cca
1926 Renault Type NM 40 CV Torpedo, 6
cylinder 9120cc. A 40 CV Renault won 1925 Monte Carlo Rally, another
was the official car of the French President.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1926 Barre B5 Torpedo
Very tricky photo received from Jason Palmer of Melbourne (Australia)
from his collection which he has asked us to try and identify. - Photo
shows a family group next to a very unusual car. --
The registration is the Nancy region of
France. The car was manufactured in Niort, not far from Cognac and
Angouleme by a gunsmith who subsequently changed to bicycles. He made
its first car in 1899, 50 workers in 1908, and carried on to 1933. From
similar car, this is cca
1926 Barre B5 Torpedo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1928
Ralf-Stetysz TC Six Saloon
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand) from a
forum in Russian suggesting Warsaw 1930. -- Logo/shape
of Austrian Steyr Sixteen, but is actually very unusual car made in
Poland after initial design in France by Count Stefan Tyszkiewic. 200
cars made by Warsaw factory K. Rudzki i Spolka under the Ralf-Stetysz
name 1922-29. Two models TA 1500 and TC 2760 with Continental engine.
Factory gutted by fire 1929; not restarted. Lady is actress Jadwiga
Smosarska.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1928 Citroen C4 Cabriolet Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a forum of old photos asking for identification of the vehicle.
Looks like a Citroen in Guadeloupe. -- Indeed
a Citroen in Guadeloupe, a bunch of French Overseas Territory islands
in the Caribbean close to Antigua where coincidentally the British TV
crime series "Death in Paradise" is filmed. From the many
grooves of the radiator bottom, this is cca
1928 Citroen C4 Cabriolet Tourer.
Following model, C4F had fewer grooves.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
c1929 Citroen C4 9CV Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a French documentary "Le
Chagrin et la Pitie" (The Sorrow and the Pity) made in 1969 where
cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Vichy wartime
collaboration with the Nazis which French TV station refused to show on
grounds of bad light. --The
car is French, relatively old being of the earlier generation of
Citroens. Although a bit pixly, this one seems to be a cca
1929 Citroen C4 9CV Saloon, having a
cylinder engine of 1628cc, capable of 105Kph.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1936 Renault Vivastella Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a French documentary "Le
Chagrin et la Pitie" (The Sorrow and the Pity) made in 1969 where
cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Vichy wartime collaboration with
the Nazis which French TV station refused to show on grounds of bad
light. -- The car is a French executive car built
in a number of variants1936 Renault Vivastella 1929 to 1939. This one
seems to be thde newer cca
1936 Renault Vivastella Saloon 6
cylinder, 100HP, 4085cc, capable of 130kph.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1950
ZIS 110 Limousine
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK) seems
to be on the lookout for unusual cars, and wondered if we knew what
this one was? Photo from the net. -- Small
pixly picture enlarged as difficult to see. From distance it could be
American had we not already identified a very similar car in 2003 from
an enquiry from Beijing, China. Car is of Russian origin made by "ZIS"
(Zavod Imieni Stalina) in Moscow and was a 1950
Model "110", made 1945'58.
ZIS article Help
Page 2 see
also Hong
Qi.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1961
Moskvich 407 Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from a Russian Film "Dlinnyy Den"
(Long Day) made in 1968 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. --
Film is about problems at hydroelectric
power station following an excavator breakdown. - European looking car
made in Russia. This is a cca
1961 Moskvich 407 Four Door Saloon
made in Moscow by AZLK on basis of old Opel mechanics but redesigned
with British-looking style body. Stone guard on rear wing and grille ID
Model. Available & quite popular in UK.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 2020
John Deer 9RT Tractor
Cinema screen grab taken from a German
Documentary "100 Yahre Trecker" (100 years of Tractor) made
in 2021 where vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is about
development of the tractor. --
Interesting device which is a current John
Deer 9RT tracked tractor with
AirCushion suspension which comes with a 13.6L engine of 517 or 627HP
that is fitted with programable Bear Flag Autonomous Controls, a new
firm taken over by John Deer, not requiring a driver to be on board!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
Unknown Velodrome Motorcycle
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a forum of old photos asking for identification of a motorcycle
with a fascinating transmission! -- Regretfully
no identification; probably a one-off. The big cog wheel drives a
cross-shaft to a large sprocket and chain drive on the other side, to a
small sprocket on the rear wheel. No gearbox, no brakes, miniscule
petrol tank. Probably oval velodrome racing. Mr Amerigo was also known
motorcycle pacer for speed cyclists.
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