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The SVVS Website currently receives
approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,
cars are in year order:
Page 48 below relates to enquiries received
during
2012 Click
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1903
Darracq 8HP Rebodied
Puzzling photo from Philip Riedel,
Adelaide (Australia)
found in a family album possibly taken in
Port Augusta, and perhaps a 1916 Darracq? --
Darracq features to front, but of very
much earlier car. Amateur body of c1913 style. Our Rory Sinclair
advises: This picture was reproduced in The Sporting Car Club's South
Australian Motoring History Book No.11 by George Brooks, page 5 (1996).
It is a modernised 1903'4
8hp single cylinder Darracq which
belonged to a Mr J T Whellum of Port Pirie (Aus).
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1905
De Dion Bouton 10HP
Photo from Philip Riedel,
Adelaide (Australia)
who is planning restoration of two incomplete 1905
De Dion Bouton Model AB 10HP Twins after 30 years. Had
contact with Hans Compter of Melbourne who provided the photo of car
chassis 529 being restored by Mr Joel Fortin in Tours France; body now believed
lost in fire. Two ABs known, one in Lyon and one in Sclumph. Philip is
seeking contact with any AB owners and especially Mr. Fortin if he
reads this. --
We will pass on
any info.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1911
Oakland 40 Sociable Roadster
This is a section of a (UK)
greetings card showing
the front of a car with a very obvious logo, but what was it?
-- The car
is very American and has a tall pointed radiator typical of American
cars of the period. Although the logo was obvious and repeated twice, I
was not able to make it out. Slanted script embossed into the radiator
metal and at first we got it wrong as an Overland, until Ariejan Bos
contacted us from Holland telling us it was a cca
1911 Oakland 40 Sociable Roadster.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1913 CID Baby
Intriguing photo received from Daniel
Monard (France) who
asked if we could help with identification of this car. No further
background supplied. -- Although
I knew I had recently seen the transverse spring, my system did not come
up with an answer, but John Warbuton pointed me in the direction of the
article in the April edition of The Automobile. This is a cca
1913 CID Baby on which I did an item in
2010 on Help Page 21.
Sold in England, including the Emeraude with semi
eleiptic springs.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1915 Sikorsky Bi-plane
Photo from Ivan Baranrsev (Russia)
saying lorry was named in Russian
mag as Russo-Baltique Type K 12/24, but he feels BRs did not have this
type of rad.
-- Regret
no positive ID on truck. Sharply sloping bonnet was a Teutonic fashion
but some RBs did also have them. David Venables advised the plane
was a brilliant Sikorsky "Ilya
Mourometz". About 80 made 1914-17 and many had Argus engines,
looks like an Argus on lorry. It was made by ......the Russo-Baltic
Wagon Co of Riga!
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1915 Ford Model T Touring
Request from Jonathan Daniel from
Pittsburgh (USA) whose
friend has a family website with a number of car pictures on it. The
cars were used in Franklin, Pennsylvania, USA. Could we help in
identifying them? Says "What a great site you have! "
-- Thanks for the
compliment, much appreciated. The first is relatively easy.
Transverse spring, rounded side lights, narrow edge to the radiator,
square edged bonnet, all suggest this is a cca
1915 Ford Model T Touring. Interesting
suspension.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1919
Leyland Charabanc
Photo received from Gerard McSweeney (UK) who
heard of us via the Genealogy in Hertfordshire site. He would like to
know the date this rather poor photo was taken from a local history
point of view. Number should give an approximate idea. --
Registration AR 7486
was issued by County Council of Hertford but their records are
incomplete; post 1910 and pre 1921. Relatively sure this is a cca 1916
Leyland RAF lorry converted to a
charabanc after hostilities ended, & registered cca 1919.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Probably 1922 Woseley 15 Tourer
Very small fuzzy blurry photo received from
Terry Reeves of Bridlington (UK)
asking for help with getting to a close date. Could the car be a
Post WW1 Crossley?-- Too
small. We asked for a better resolution photo but got no reply ! Not a
Crossley; wrong rad. Reg seems
WY 2###, so Yorkshire late 1922. Lower windscreen
infill and bulkhead sidelights suggests the car to be a cca
1922 Wolseley 15 Open Tourer which
appears to be damaged as it seems to have no offside front wing.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1925 Bentley 3L Saloon
Three more photos received from Roy Edgar (UK) who
heard of us via the 'Who Do You Think You Are' Genealogy Exhibition at
London Olympia. This one shows a formal limousine and is titled
'Family car c1930'. --
Unfortunately the registration is not visible so cannot help in dating.
A number of our experts agree that this is a 3L
Bentley. Made '21-29 and
body is good match for
Freestone and Webb whose works was near Cricklewood where cars were
made, rather than Van den Plas.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1925 Buick
Master Six Enclosed Touring
Request from Jonathan Daniel from
Pittsburgh (USA) whose
friend has a family website with a number of car pictures on it. The
cars were used in Franklin, Pennsylvania, USA. Could we help in
identifying them? Says "What a great site you have! "
-- Thanks for the
compliment, much appreciated. Seems they changed to Buicks and stuck to
them. Difficult angle but our friend Lief spotted the make. This looks
like a cca
1925 Buick Master Six Enclosed Touring,
touring bodies but with fixed tops.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1925
Dodge 4 Door Sedan
Nice photos received from Debbie Clark (USA)
taken in Wisconsin who
is trying to identify the model and year and get approximate idea of the
current value. -- Our
friends at the AACA believe it is a
1925 Dodge or later. The 1925 had the cowl vent. If the serial number on
the toeboard is between A-132,707 and A-372,474, it is 1925. Car
actually looks to be 1926. Not valuable; maybe $1,000 broken for parts.
If not rotted badly and able to get running, maybe
$2,000. Better get professional value !
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1926
Chrysler G70 Tourer
Three more photos received from Roy Edgar (UK) who
heard of us via the 'Who Do You Think You Are' Genealogy Exhibition at
London Olympia. This one shows a 1928 Oldham registration
plate. --
BU 4067 is indeed an Oldham CBC registration. The car is quite
interesting for Oldham as it was made in America and seems to be a
couple of years younger than the suggested registration. Multiple
hubnuts suggest this is a
cca 1926 Chrysler G70 Tourer, made 2
years after company started.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1928
DKW P15 Cabriolet
Another photo received from Raoul
Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from
a batch of 1920s/30s photos he purchased on-line recently. Do we have any idea what it could be? --
High small door and horisontal bonnet
louvres help, but the giveaway is the transverse front spring, which
makes this a cca 1928 DKW P15 Cabriolet. Later post 1931 cars had front
wheel drive. Engine was 600cc, two cylinder, two
stroke, 75 KPH. DKW became part of Auto Union in 1932, became
Audi, is Volkswagen.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1929
FIAT 509a Torpedo
Another photo received from Raoul
Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from
a batch of 1920s/30s photos he purchased on-line recently. Car looks
American but phographed in Germany. -- Actually
it was made in Torino, Italia. Looking at the bonnet there is an additional
bodyline strip at the top of the side of the bonnet which suggests this
us a later cca
1929 FIAT 509a Torpedo. The 509 range
was made between 1925 and 1929, 990cc
4 cylinder, 22 BHP
at 3400 rpm and a top speed of 48mph.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1929 Hillman 14 Saloon
Three more photos received from Roy Edgar (UK) who
heard of us via the 'Who Do You Think You Are' Genealogy Exhibition at
London Olympia. This one shows a saloon in front of the Snake Inn and is titled
'Family car c1932'. -- BU
6274 is Oldham CBC late 1929. Some of our experts thought this
a Humber Snipe but I had reservations as radiator core top is curved and bonnet hinge
not correct. Further investigation had since determined that this is
actually a 1929 Hillman 14 HP Saloon.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1930
Citroen C4 Berline
Couple of photos from Peter Schipof,
Amsterdam, (Holland) of
a car found in a desolate spot in Tunisia. They wondered what it was.
Friends suggested Citroen Rosalie, Auburn, Erskine and Peerless. --
Quite near the mark with the first
suggestion. Pointers are 33 louvers with a gap to the front and forward
pointing back to bonnet, triangle pressing to the sun visor, bulbous
headlamp mounts slightly inbord on bar, circular back/side catches to
square boot, five stud wheels:cca 1930 Citroen C4.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1930
Peugeot 183C Saloon
An enlarged part of a photo received from
Benjamin Derhy (France) asking
for our help in identifying the car which was photographed in 1935.
He is sorry for showing so little of the car. He has noted many cars on
our Help Pages but does not believe they were exactly the same. --
It is a little difficult to make out the
details of the car even when the photo was repaired and enlarged, but
from roof front and one wiper, we are relatively sure we this is a cca
1930 Peugeot 183C Saloon.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1932 BSA Three-wheeler Sports
Three more photos received from Roy Edgar (UK) who
heard of us via the 'Who Do You Think You Are' Genealogy Exhibition at
London Olympia. This one shows the Snake Inn c1932 and relates to
the cars left and right. -- Car
on the left registration VU 9615 was registered with Manchester CBC.
This is a front wheel drive three wheeler, being a 1932
BSA Sports, which featured Hotchkiss
designed 900 air cooled V-twin 1021cc. Car on the right is a mid 20s
Bullnose Morris Cowley 2str.
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INFORMATION AND
DATING:cca
1935 Rytecraft Scootacar
Photos received from (Argentina)
saying he has purchased Rytecraft Scootacar in pretty bad shape
and is planning to restore it. It seems the car was bought over by
previous owner's grandfather from Hungary in the 1940s. No documentation
came with the car so exact year of manufacture is not known. --
We had done an in-depth study into Rytecraft
Scootacar in
2001 and can add that one of our founder SVVS Members had done round the
world trip in the one at Brooklands.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1935 Buick Club Sedan
Request from Jonathan Daniel from
Pittsburgh (USA) whose
friend has a family website with a number of car pictures on it. The
cars were used in Franklin, Pennsylvania, USA. Could we help in
identifying them? Says "What a great site you have! "
-- Thanks for the
compliment, much appreciated. This one is little more difficult but
follows the Buick theme. Four
bar bonnet louvers, chrome headlamps, only two windows per side, twin
external horns; all suggesting a cca
1935 Buick 60 Club Sedan.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1941 Buick
Special Sedan
Request from Jonathan Daniel from
Pittsburgh (USA) whose
friend has a family website with a number of car pictures on it. The
cars were used in Franklin, Pennsylvania, USA. Could we help in
identifying them? Says "What a great site you have! "
-- Thanks for the
compliment, much appreciated. Seems they liked Buicks. This one is
difficult to see being in the dark so we are guessing it is a sedan.
Grille looks like the cca
1941 Buick Special Sedan but as
not visible, difficult to be precise on model.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1947
Alfa Romeo Freccia d'Oro
Enquiry from Ian Prentice (UK) saying
'This photo/poster has adorned my wall for some time. However
neither I nor my friends can identify the rather handsome car with knock
on wire wheels. Some say it's American; I think it looks European but
have not found it on any of the books or web searches. The girls
number would also be appreciated!' -- Finally
cracked after being 'unknown' for some time! This is the back end of
a cca
1947 Alfa Romeo 6C 2500 Freccia d'Oro (Golden
Arrow).
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1950
Cadillac Fleetwood Sedan
Fuzzy blurry photo received from Lanny
Cotler (USA) who
is trying to verify the date of a photograph. Can we tell him what make
and year is, of the car in this photo blowup? He is guessing a '51 Cad.
Maybe even a '52. But the owners of the photograph say it was taken in
1950." -- Our
friends at the AACA advised that this is a 1950
Cadillac Fleetwood Sedan, as bumper
guards were more bulbous on the later model years, hence the name
"dagmars" . In 1951 they were more 'forward thrust'.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Unknown
Two-seater
Email from Richard Steel (UK) saying
'This is my father (who was a farmer) sitting in something
stripped down (no spare). My father was a keen hill climb racer at Firle
and Lewes Racetrack before the war. Photo probably taken early 1930s.
-- Another that
has done the rounds with no suggestions. Not Delage or Sunbeam.
Smaller medium sized car of 1500ccs/2-litres, no
earlier than 1914 and no later than 1924. Small rear brake drums
is early feature. Body seems original to the chassis.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Unknown
Tourer
Another photo received from Raoul
Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from
a batch of 1920s/30s photos he purchased on-line recently. Car was
photographed in Germany. -- Raoul
has given us many interesting teasers but this one has so far beaten
all of our normal contributors. Many suggestions have been put forward,
but none match. The body plate says built in Neustadt. Looks Teutonic
but a good suggestion was that it might be a Zbrojovka built in Brno,
Czechoslovakia. Probably not.
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PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED:
YOUR
H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
As can be seen from our Help Pages we
normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo
on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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