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The SVVS Website currently
receives approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting
enquiries received, and information that we have provided :
Page 18 below relates to enquiries received
during
2010. Click
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INVESTIGATING THE HISTORY: cca
1904 Clement Tonneau
Photo received from Christopher Shaw
(UK) of a cca
1904 Clement Tonneau which has
been in his family since 1938. Last known use was by a local gas
company who used it in the Darlington area to read gas meters. It
then went to a farm in Yarm. His father Geoffrey Shaw purchased it from
the farmer and slowly restored it, gaining the VCC dating certificate in
1947. However they have no history prior to 1938 so have contacted
us with the hope that some of our readers can help.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: pre
1904
UNIDENTIFIED
Fascinating set of photographs received
from Mrs. Joan Green from Lancashire (UK). They
are all from an album discovered in her late great aunt's loft. Being
into family history she was hoping it was from her family from
Lancashire, but they all seem to be around London and the Thames so the
album may have been there when aunt moved in. The name on the album is Allvey.
The car has the very distinctive
tapering alligator bonnet with no sub rad. Any
help would be much appreciated.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1905 Gamage Tourer
Photo received from Lyn Rush
(UK) found
in an old box left by a relative, and asking if it is a Gladiator? The
child could be her great grandmother if the dates tie up. Is there any
way of finding out who the car was registered to. - Although
similar bonnet, it is only the leading edge that is brass. This and
other features on the front of the car suggest it is a cca
1904/5 Gamage. The 'Gamages' Store sold
French Lacoste & Battman cars under own name. Reg is Middlesex, >G.London.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1905 Stevens-Duryea Tourer
Two nice photos received from Jill
Broo (USA) which
are about 8 years apart. These are of her Great Grandparents and their
three
daughters near Springfield, Massachusetts, USA.
- Judging by the central wheel nuts, the front
one being considerably larger than the rear, and the tall radiator filler
cap, I think this photo is of a cca 1905
Stevens-Duryea. Duryea made his first car while with Hampden in Springfield and
subsequently first Stevens-Duryea in nearby
Chicopee Falls in 1901.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 Humber Tourer
Photo received from Kevin Wild,
Toronto (Canada)
asking for help in help in identifying the car in the photo,
which was taken outside a residence in Loughborough, Leicestershire. -
Although the all important radiator front is shaded over, we are
relatively sure that the car is a cca
1909 Humber Tourer, probably the 12 or
15 HP. Interesting to note the broken front mudguard on which unsuccessful
attempts had been made to carry out a repair. See other similar cars on
earlier Help Pages.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 Adler Tourer?
Photo received from Christine Klima (USA)
which was an old postcard she is trying to
identify. The photo is very blurred and grainy, and all of the relevant
identification features are out of shot, so is very difficult to
identify. The only general identification feature is the flat top to the
bonnet and external leavers which is very reminiscent of the German cca
1909 Adler Tourer. The setting of the
photo seems to be a photographer's studio with a background
scenery painted drape prop.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1911 Stoddard-Dayton Touring
Photo received from Sandy Steele (USA)
of her grandfather (far right) when 30-40 years old, dating
photo between 1923-33, and taken in Saginaw Co., Michigan. -
Has
taken ages to identify, but with the help of our friends at the AACA, we
believe the car is a cca
1911 Stoddard-Dayton Touring. A quality competition car made
in Dayton, Ohio, since 1905. In 1912 Stoddard-Dayton became part of ill
fated United States Motor Company, ....and went into
receivership with them in late 1912.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1912 Pic-Pic Coupe Chauffeur
Cinema screen grab received from Mark
Dawber (New Zealand) of
a car which appeared in a 1947 film called 'Miroir' and being
investigated on IMCDB. - We can advise the car was made by SA
Piccard & Pictet et Cie of Switzerland. P&P initially made
Hispano Suiza under licence, sold by SAG, Geneva. First Pic-Pic
car was made for visit of Emperor Wilhelm II to review the
Swiss Army in 1912. It had a Leon Dufor Landaulette body. Pic-Pic was
known as 'Rolls Royce of Switzerland'. Closed in 1922.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1912 Talbot & 1915 Ford
Lovely period photo received from Jane
Shannon, Queensland (Australia).
Her father-in-law is currently rebuilding a 1911 Napier. It was
the first car in the Shannon family and a relative thought this photo
was it, with a blurred car in the background. Not a Napier, but Peter is
unsure for certain what it is. - We can advise that car in the
background is a cca 1915 Model T Ford with electric lighting. The car in
foreground is a
cca 1912 Talbot possibly the 15hp. Bodywork does
not suggest later.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1913 Wolseley Tourer
Photo received from Philip Rowett (UK)
from albums that belonged to his great-uncle Harold Giblett, who
was employed by Vauxhall Motors between 1910 and 1914, as Chief
Draughtsman to Laurence Pomeroy. The photo does not appear to be a
Vauxhall. It was probably taken during the first world war;
military uniform and the markings on the car. By numberplate and
building behind it, was taken overseas. - We can advise that this is
cca
1913 Wolseley Open Tourer, possibly the 16/20.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1913 Unic Landaulette
Photo received from Gloria Rathbone (UK)
via the Crossley Website who passed it on
to us as not a Crossley. Gloria's grandfather was chauffeur to
Lord Leverhulme (Lever Bros). - Tony Oakes spotted that the car is
a French cca
1913 Unic Landaulette. Primary identifications points:
dimpled bulkhead, bulkhead water filler cap, plug on the offside
bulkhead, and the bonnet rest pins along the each side of the hinge.
Unic-s were also very popular in London as the primary Taxi
of the day.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1913 Cartercar Tourer
Photo received from Mel Ogren, San
Jose, California (USA) probably
taken in about 1916 in Cambridge, Minnesota. This one needed the
help of our friends in AACA. Further investigation of their suggestion
seems to confirm that this is a cca
1913 Cartercar Tourer. Manufactured
from 1906 to 1916 in Detroit Michigan, the company merged with Pontiac
High Wheeler in 1908, becoming part of General Motors in 1909 but with
death of Byron Carter, kickback from starting handle, company
folded.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1913 Rover 12 Tourer
Photo received from our own Roger Bishop (UK) who
had been furkling through boxes in the loft and came across it. A lovely
period snap in a very picturesque park setting. -
The car is a cca
1912/13 Rover Tourer, probably the 12
HP. The numberplate is not quite clear but suggests it was issued by
Derby Borough Council. The hidden numbers could make either 1912 or
1913. This must have been a popular range of cars because we
have a number of these on the various of our
Help Pages.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1915 Ford Model T Tourer
Photo received from Anne Tierney Co Galway (Ireland).
This picture was given to our local town historical society to
see could we find the owner of the picture. Would it have been imported
from England. - The
car is a cca 1915 Ford Model T Tourer. Registration RI 426# was
issued by County Borough Council of Dublin but unfortunately no dating
is available. Brass radiator top but a curved bonnet suggest UK model.
Model T-s were assembled in Trafford Park, Manchester,
1911 and 31.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1917 Stevens-Duryea Tourer
Second photo received from Jill
Broo (USA). These are of her Great Grandparents and their
three
daughters near Springfield, Mass., USA. This one is dated 1917
and suggests her relatives liked
their earlier car very much and therefore went out and bought the same
make later. I think this is a cca
1912 Stevens-Duryea. Frank Duryea amalgamated with
J.Stevens Arms Co. in 1901 and made cars in nearby Chicopee Falls. Wise
choice by her G.grandparents in buying locally produced car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1919 Studebaker Big Six
Photo received from Rebecca Stewart
Garcia (USA)
saying that finding out the make and model of car may help her to
identify the women and baby in the car. She thinks the picture may have
been taken before 1924 in Sacramento, California. -
This is another one
that took a very long time to identify and eventually needed the
help of our friends in AACA. They think this could be cca
1919 Studebaker Big Six. I have not
found any pictures of similar rear side screens, so could be fter-market.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1919 Apperson 6 Tourer
Lovely period photo received from Jos
Legrand, Maastricht, (Holland) whose
interest is historical typewriters, but hoped we could help by
identifying the car on a photo on ebay. - This one is quite unusual and
with assistance from our American contributor Ivan Saxton we are
relatively sure is a cca 1919
Apperson 6 cylinder Tourer. Pre circular rad with rounded
base. Interesting to note that it is fitted with non standard
Westinghouse Air Shock Absorbers and a sprung bumper bar.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1921 Ford Model T Open Tourer
Three Photos received from Brett Payne of
Tauranga (New Zealand). The
two on this item are showing his Grandfather Leslie Payne (1892-1975) at
the wheel of a car, which he would also like identified and dated if
possible, please. -
The car in both these photos is a cca
1921 Ford Model T Open Tourer. As most
people know, Model T was produced in various models between 1908 to 1927
and more than 15 million Model Ts were manufactured. Manufacture
in Manchester UK started in 1911.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1924 Ariel Nine, Four Seater
Photo received from David Hillman
(UK) who has spent ages trawling the
net in vain. Photo was taken in Somerset at the house where his sister
now lives, originally a village school built in 1859. They are
researching its history and received a picture of a R J McGregor, his
family, and a car. - Reg
is obscured but possibly Middlesex or Kent. Car is very interesting and
unusual being a cca
1925 Ariel Nine, Four Seat Tourer
(of motorcycle fame), of which about 700 were made 1922/25.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1924 Clyno 11.9 Tourer
Two lovely photos received from David
Lavender (UK)
which had initially been sent to the Crossley Website, but advised by
them as not a Crossley. Photos show his mother and father. He wondered
if mother had seen the Bonny & Clyde film in view of her
provocative pose. -Unlikely, as film came out in 1967 and the car is a cca
1924 Clyno 11.9. Most probably she was living through the actual
Bonnie & Clyde era because they were active 1929 - 34 when
photo may have been taken.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1926 Ford Model T Special
Photo received from Dave Taylor (South
Africa) showing his Grandfather in
his car in Kensington. The photo says about 1926. Could it
be a Trojan? - Not a Trojan but a cca 1926 Ford Model T Special, probably
UK assembled. In view of so many standard Ford Ts around, people
tried to make their T more individual, or not look like a T at all. Body
seems unfinished with hammer marks evident on the bulkhead. Professional
specials also made. Similar special, bottom Help
Page 10.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1926 Star or Rugby
Photo received from David Lloyd
(UK). The
date of the photo could be c 1926/7 or earlier and was of his paternal
grandfather, George T Lloyd. Since grandfather was in the Indian Civil
Service, it is possible the photo was taken in India. -
Registration is Liverpool CBC 1926. We have not been able to positively
identify this car nor have our American friends at the
AACA. It is not a mainstream American, so possibly a lesser make such as
a cca
1926 Star, but sold in UK as Rugby, due
the UK Star.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1928 Citroen B14G
Photo received from Alan Knocker,
Coventry (UK)
recommended to us by a friend in Germany. The picture was taken in circa
1932 somewhere in Hampshire. They lived in Portchester near Portsmouth.
He is the little boy with the collar, the older boy is his brother and
his Father and Grandmother complete the picture. His Father was a
commercial traveller in clothing. - We
can advise that this is a cca
1928 Citroen B14G. Citroen had a
factory in Slough at the time. Reg is Portsmh 1929.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1930 Graham Limousine?
Photo received from Christine Klima (USA)
which was an old postcard she is trying to
identify. The photo is very blurred and grainy so is very difficult to
identify. Only obvious feature is is the oval tail light. Our friends at
the AACA suggest Marmon or Peerless but Neil Oldfield from
Melbourne Australia, suggests it could be a cca
1930 Graham Special Six; taillight,
the door handles, small sunvisor and big centre wires, full width
bumper. Interestingly no sidelights, normally bulkhead mounted.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1940 GM Futurliners
Photo received from Kathy Rowe (Canada)
taken by her uncle, who died this year at age 94; date of the
slide is unknown. - Recognized
as the 'Red Elephants' from recent article in motoring mag. This is a
cca 1940
GM Futurliner; 33’ long, 8’ wide,
11’-7" tall with a 248" wheelbase. Twelve Futurliners were
built and used by GM to transport the GM "Parade of Progress"
show throughout the United States from 1941 to 1956. See brilliant
website detailing all history and remaining
vehicles.
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PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED:
 YOUR
H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
As can be seen from our Help Pages we
normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo
on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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