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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1890s Pedal Car / Quadracycle?
Scan received from Brian Warner of
University of Cape Town (South Africa) of
his great grandfather driving an early car in Outwood, Surrey. --
The general consensus by our veteran experts is that this is
not a 'car' in formal sense of the word. Steering is by means of a
tiller and there appear to be two long pedals that the chap has his feet
on, possibly providing forward motion, - but effort required would be great. Quadracycle
or agricultural vehicle where pedals
plant things?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1900 Scottish Workshop
Photo submitted by Professor John Hannavy (UK)
asking if we can shed some light on the vehicles shown; also
curious as to what the large castings were.
-- General
engineering shop cca 1900. Mike
Worthington-Williams thinks the car could be an early Arrol
Johnston, the hand controls are very much like the first Arrols. The
forecar on left is De Dion powered, the engine is out. The castings
could be 'universal joints' for very large engines, such as stationary
steam or those used in ships.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1903 Panhard Levassor Tonneau
Lovely period photo submitted by Claire
Phillips (UK)
asking if
anyone can help her identify the car owned by her Great
Grandfather J P Williams-Freeman. He lived at Weyhill House, Weyhill,
Andover, Hants from 1891 to at least 1927, which is were the photo was
taken. -- AA7
is a Southampton County Council registration at the end of 1903 when
registrations started. Lord Montagu has a 1903 De Dion registered
AA20. This car is a French Panhard
& Levassor Rear Entrance Tonneau.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1904 CGV Coupé Trois-Quart
Further to the item on the CGV on Help
Page 21 we
were contacted by Martin Grangé of La Chapelle sous Gerberoy, (France)
saying he is working on his 1904
CGV Coupé Chauffeur Muhlbacher which he hopes to bring over
for the London to Brighton Veteran Car Run. The car was having some
carpentry done by Dominique Marcadier. Martin attached some photos of
the CGV undergoing restoration. He knows only seven CGV in
the world: 2 in USA, 2 in England, 1 in
Ireland and 2 in France.
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UNUSUAL CAR IN NEW ZEALAND:cca
1907 Demeester Two Seater
Interesting set of photos received from our colleague John
Osborne (New Zealand)
Jaguar and Daimler Trust of a very unusual car owned by Colin Trevelyan
of the Millennium Museum, Te Awanga, Hawkes Bay, New Zealand. The car is
a French made 1907
Demeester Two Seater which was believed
imported to New Zealand when new. It is also believed to be the only one
in the world of this type still operational. Used Sultan engine.
Later licensed 8hp Sinpar as smallest car in range.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1908 Waltham Orient Buckboard
Lovely photo posted by Juha Kaitanen of Turku (Finland)
saying this automobile was once driven in
Jyväskylä in Central Finland. Says the photo is from the era
driving and riding was lot of fun. The car looks very much like Orient
but there are some features that make you think twice. -- The
vehicle seems to have all the appearances of a cca
1908 Waltham Orient Buckboard twin cylinder type. Some 1907/8
cars had more normal tonneau type bodies and steering wheels
instead of tiller.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1913 Ford Model T Van
Another of a number of very interesting
photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden)
showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking
identification and dating. This one is of a van in a British foundry.
-- Ts
were assembled in Trafford Park, Manchester, using US mechanicals and
British bodies from 1909 to '14. Thereafter assembly line in the UK.
Flat bonnet sides suggest his was probably a cca
1913/14 Ford Model T. Argyll
Mills used to manufacture machinery.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1913 P&M 3.5HP Combination
Great period photo of a wicker basket
motorcycle combination sent in by Chris Fellows (UK)
who
would like to find out who's name is on the logbook as he is hoping one
of the men on the bike is his Grandad. U 2183 is 1913 Leeds CBC
Registration Number that according to DVLA is no longer current. The
bike is a 1913
P&M 3.5 HP Combination. Phelon & Moore of Cleckheaton,
Yorkshire developed the sloping engine as a stressed member and went on
to make the famous Panther until 1967 !
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1915 Oldsmobile Touring
Photo submitted to Rootschat by Chris M (UK)
asking if we can help him identify this car and the probable age of the
photo please. --
Somebody noticed the driver was eating a
watermelon. The two ladies were also eating melon. So I guess that in
the middle of the prairie a melon jumped up and ran across the road, and
they hit it. The first lady probably put it out of its misery. The car
is an American cca
1915 Oldsmobile Touring. Car
looks relatively new so the photo date is close.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1915 Pathfinder Touring
Great photo received from Vlad
Sorokolat, Kiev, (Ukraine)
of soldiers resting on a car in Russian Siberia. These cars
were brought to Europe and to the Far East during World War I. The
polished brass radiator was immediately indicative of the American
Aperson 1914/15 although other bits were different. It seems that in the
meantime Vlad had established that while the car was American, it was a cca
1915 Pathfinder. It is amazing that
similarity of the radiators was allowed.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Dating
of the Photo - cca 1916
Photo submitted by Samara Z. Tilkin
(USA) asking
if may be able to help identify the date of this photo, based on
the cars. The photos were taken at a July 4th parade in Scituate
Massachusetts. The hand written date on the back of the photo is 1896 or
1906. --
We an confirm that the Cars are from the 1910 to 15 period. It is
absolutely impossible for the photo to be 1896 and, from the cars, it is
too early for 1906. Our Rootschat friends say the
ladies' dresses are indicative of cca
1916.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1923 Citroen B2 Tourer
Rural photo submitted by Barbara
Morrison (Northern Ireland)
taken by her mother in County Down, Nothern Ireland early 1920's showing
her paternal grandmother and father, in shadows of car. Local
information suggests car is a Citroen and the registration is English. --
Registration XP 526 was issued by London County Council so car is
cca 1923 Citroen Model B2. This car would have been built in
France with right hand drive. In 1925 Citroen were making this and
smaller Model C in Slough.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1926 Singer 10'26 Saloon
Photo submitted by Doug Clews Doug
Clews, Glen Forrest, (Western Australia)
who is endeavouring to identify his Grandfather's car in 1920s/30s
England. The general belief amongst family is that it is an Austin 20,
but Austin enthusiasts say no. -- Our
Singer expert Simon Bishop confirms it is a cca
1926 Singer 10'26 Saloon. Fitted with front wheel brakes so
would be a 1926 model. In 1927 they fitted semi elliptic front springs,
which would be visible. Body is almost
certainly Singer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1927 Buick Sedan
Photo submitted by Steve Walters (UK).
The young chap standing next to car is his father-in-law Ernest Simmons,
now aged 91. Photo was c1938. The vehicle would have been owned by
Ernest's father, Joseph Simmons, who owned a transport company in
Leicester. -- From
the shape of the radiator the car is a cca
1926/27 Buick Sedan. Radiator changed
for 1928. Registration is Leicester County Borough Council but no
records were kept. The low number agrees with it being an early
car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1930 Citroen AC4 Saloon
Photo sent in by David Taylor (UK)
of five cars taken at Buckie on the Moray Firth coast of N.
Scotland. --
We can advise that the cars left to right are a 1931 Buick, a
1932 Buick, a 1931 Austin, a 1930 Citroen and a 1929 'mystery'
car. His grandfather owned one of them, probably the one without
someone, as he is taking the photo. This is an Aberdeen registered 1930
Citroen AC4. None of our contacts could name the fifth
car. It is the two small dimples on the radiator
which are the problem!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1930 Morris Commecial
Another photo submitted by Steve Walters (UK)
about which he says:" The Bradfords
Milk vehicle reg JG 1432 is just a random photo I bought at an antique
fair in Ashby, - just because I liked it. I have tried researching
it's origins without success. -- Well
we can help with a couple of facts. JG is a Canterbury County Borough
Council in Kent, issued towards the end of 1930. The louvres on the bonnet
of the van are high as opposed short which ties in with it being cca
1930 Morris Commercial.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1930 Morris Cowley Saloon
Photo submitted by Jayne Shrimpton (UK)
who is a dress historian and photograph specialist and who writes
regular columns for Practical Family History magazine. She was
interested to learn more about the car and what it might be able to tell
regarding the date. --
LJ 1468 is a Bournemouth County Borough Council registrations issued
spring 1930. The car is a Morris. Confirmed by our Morris expert Chas
Moody that the car model is the slightly
simpler cca
1929/30 Morris Cowley Saloon.
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UNUSUAL CAR IN Australia:cca
1936 Egan Six Saloon
Very brief email from Corey Eagan from (Australia)
saying his great uncle worked for Ford in Geelong, Victoria, and built a
car called the Egan. They were built in 1935/36. He would love to find
out any info. --
Not much is generally known about the Egan.
Egan Motor Body Works had been making car bodies since 1916 and were
contracted to Ford. In 1935 William Egan decided to design his own car
from parts mostly sourced in Australia. Not many were
made. For
more info click here.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1938 Plymouth Sedan
Interesting conundrum for Richard Cahill, Co. Tipperary, (
Ireland ).
The lady is his great grandmother. Her husband, his great grandfather,
died in 1933. The car looks later than this. It was taken in the south
of Ireland, probably in the Tipperary area. -- We
can only add confusion. The car is American and a cca
1937/8 Plymouth Sedan. Registration is
unclear but looks like DC which would be Middlesborough cca
1927/28, too early for the car. Ireland
did not have a D or DC reg. sequence.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:WW2
Rolls-Royce Armoured car
Gorgeous period photo submitted to Rootschat by
Trish (UK) saying
her late father was the gunner and sometimes driver of AC10, RAF
Armoured Car Section in Somaliland in 1941.
-- We
do not normally cover military vehicles but these Rolls
Royce Armoured Cars are worth a
mention. Developed during WW1, served well into WW2, especially in North
Africa. A number of later cars were used by the RAF. Lanchester, Alvis
and Crossley also made this type of vehicle but looked different.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:UNKNOWN
Triclops
Very puzzling photo received from Aleksandar
Gavrilovic (Serbia) who
says " I'm writing this e-mail
to you from Belgrade, Serbia and I need your help in identification of
this car. Car is in bad condition, I have only this picture of front end
and I also heard that this car is made on early VW chassis, but that is
only opinion of couple people. Please help me." --
We have passed the photo to a number of our experts and to other forums
but sadly and unusually we ALL have not found an answer, - yet.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1909-14 UNKNOWN Car
Period photo of a very full car was sent in by
Barry Ennever (UK)
who is researching the Ennever Family. -- We
were not be able to make headway with the photo because most of
the relevant identification features are not present: the radiator, the
bonnet and the wheel nuts. It is not normally possible to identify early
cars by bodywork because bodies were made by external coachwork
companies. The position of the numberplate on small bulkhead gives us a
period of 1909
to 1914.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1905-10 UNKNOWN Limousine
Great period photo of a very
proud chauffeur standing next to a magnificent Limousine was sent in by
Peter Haventon (Sweden)
Editor of Autohistorica. He says it is not a Maudslay, not a Delaunay-Belleville,
then what is it? From post card in Germany, all obviously photographed
in England. Do
we have any ideas? --
Despite the car being a magnificent
Limousine which must habve been quite expensive to purchase, none of our
normal experts have come up with identification.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:East
African Motor Corps
Photo submitted by Fiona Manicom
(South Africa) saying
" I am doing some research on my Grandfather who enlisted in
the East African Motor Corps in WW1. Would you help me with the identification of the car he is standing next to. I am
also trying to find out how tall the car is as I have been told he was
quite a tall man, but that doesn't seem to be accurate?
-- Subsequently
identified from rear hub by Craig Gillingham from Australia as a cca
1914 Hupmobile Model 32. Car is unusually low!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:UK
Motorcycles
Two lovely photos were submitted separately
by Hellen Brown and by Simon Beales (both
UK) both of which had one thing in common.
They were both scanned at a too low resolution and were very pixly. We
requested re-scans and at BEST RESOLUTION
possible, as it is the detail that provides the identification.
Regretfully we have heard nothing since. It
is simply not possible to identify vehicles without being able
to magnify certain details which are pointers
to make and date.
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H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
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normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo
on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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