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Edenbridge & Oxted Show :
Historic Vehicle Display; Jackie Shearman;  Tel: 01737 645843
Ardingly Vintage Vehicle Show:
Maurice Drew, 12 Springfield Rd, Larkfield, Kent ME20 6JE
Lingfield Steam Show:
Enquiries to Joan/Brian Donkin
Tel: 0208 295 1510 
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Ken Robinson, Tel 01293 771980
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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided :

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Page 25 below relates to enquiries received during 2009.Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1890s Pedal Car / Quadracycle?
Scan received from Brian Warner of University of Cape Town (South Africa) of his great grandfather driving an early car in Outwood, Surrey.  --  The general consensus by our veteran experts is that this is not a 'car' in formal sense of the word. Steering is by means of a tiller and there appear to be two long pedals that the chap has his feet on, possibly providing forward motion, - but effort required would be great. Quadracycle  or  agricultural  vehicle where  pedals  plant things?

cca 1890 Highwheeler Pedal Car?

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1900 Scottish Workshop
Photo submitted by Professor John Hannavy (UK) asking if we can shed some light on the vehicles shown; also curious as to  what the large castings were. -- General engineering shop cca 1900. Mike Worthington-Williams thinks the car could be an early Arrol Johnston, the hand controls are very much like the first Arrols. The forecar on left is De Dion powered, the engine is out. The castings could be 'universal joints' for very large engines, such as stationary steam or those used in ships.

1900 Workshop in Scotland

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1903 Panhard Levassor Tonneau
Lovely period photo submitted by Claire Phillips (UK) asking if anyone can help her  identify the car owned by her Great Grandfather J P Williams-Freeman. He lived at Weyhill House, Weyhill, Andover, Hants from 1891 to at least 1927, which is were the photo was taken. --  AA7 is a Southampton County Council registration at the end of 1903 when registrations started. Lord Montagu has a 1903 De Dion registered AA20.  This car is a French Panhard & Levassor Rear Entrance Tonneau.

1903 Panhard & Levassor Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1904 CGV Coupé Trois-Quart 
Further to the item on the CGV on Help Page 21 we were contacted by Martin Grangé of La Chapelle sous Gerberoy, (France) saying he is working on his 1904 CGV Coupé Chauffeur Muhlbacher which he hopes to bring over for the London to Brighton Veteran Car Run. The car was having some carpentry done by Dominique Marcadier. Martin attached some photos of the CGV undergoing restoration. He knows only seven CGV in  the  world:  2 in USA,  2 in England,  1 in Ireland  and  2 in France.

1904_CGV_Coupe_Trois_Quart

UNUSUAL CAR IN NEW ZEALAND:cca 1907 Demeester Two Seater
Interesting set of photos received from our colleague John Osborne (New Zealand) Jaguar and Daimler Trust of a very unusual car owned by Colin Trevelyan of the Millennium Museum, Te Awanga, Hawkes Bay, New Zealand. The car is a French made 1907 Demeester Two Seater which was believed imported to New Zealand when new. It is also believed to be the only one in the world of this type still operational. Used Sultan engine.  Later licensed  8hp Sinpar  as smallest car in range.

1907 Demeester Two Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1908 Waltham Orient Buckboard
Lovely photo posted by Juha Kaitanen of Turku (Finland) saying this automobile was once driven in Jyväskylä in Central Finland. Says the photo is from the era driving and riding was lot of fun. The car looks very much like Orient but there are some features that make you think twice. -- The vehicle seems to have all the appearances of a cca 1908 Waltham Orient Buckboard twin cylinder type. Some 1907/8 cars had more normal tonneau type bodies  and steering wheels  instead of tiller.

1908 Waltham Orient Buckboard

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1913 Ford Model T Van
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden) showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. This one is of a van in a British foundry. -- Ts were assembled in Trafford Park, Manchester, using US mechanicals and British bodies from 1909 to '14. Thereafter assembly line in the UK. Flat bonnet sides suggest his was probably a cca 1913/14 Ford Model T.  Argyll Mills used to manufacture machinery.

1913 Ford Model T van

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1913 P&M 3.5HP Combination
Great period photo of a wicker basket motorcycle combination sent in by Chris Fellows (UK) who would like to find out who's name is on the logbook as he is hoping one of the men on the bike is his Grandad.  U 2183 is 1913 Leeds CBC Registration Number that according to DVLA is no longer current. The bike is a 1913 P&M 3.5 HP Combination. Phelon & Moore of Cleckheaton, Yorkshire developed the sloping engine as a stressed member and went on to make the famous Panther until 1967 !

1913 P&M 3'5HP Combination

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1915 Oldsmobile Touring
Photo submitted to Rootschat by Chris M (UK) asking if we can help him identify this car and the probable age of the photo please.  --  Somebody noticed the driver was eating a watermelon. The two ladies were also eating melon. So I guess that in the middle of the prairie a melon jumped up and ran across the road, and they hit it. The first lady probably put it out of its misery. The car is an American cca 1915 Oldsmobile TouringCar looks relatively new  so the photo date is close.

1915 Oldsmobile Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1915 Pathfinder Touring
Great photo received from Vlad Sorokolat, Kiev, (Ukraine) of soldiers resting on a car in Russian Siberia.  These cars were brought to Europe and to the Far East during World War I. The polished brass radiator was immediately indicative of the American Aperson 1914/15 although other bits were different. It seems that in the meantime Vlad had established that while the car was American, it was a cca 1915 Pathfinder.  It is amazing that  similarity  of the  radiators was allowed. 

1915 Pathfinder Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Dating of the Photo - cca 1916
Photo submitted by Samara Z. Tilkin  (USA) asking if may be able to help identify the date of this photo, based on the cars. The photos were taken at a July 4th parade in Scituate Massachusetts. The hand written date on the back of the photo is 1896 or 1906.   --  We an confirm that the Cars are from the 1910 to 15 period. It is absolutely impossible for the photo to be 1896 and, from the cars, it is too early for 1906. Our Rootschat  friends  say the  ladies'  dresses  are  indicative  of cca 1916. 

July 4th Parade cca 1916

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1923 Citroen B2 Tourer
Rural photo submitted by Barbara Morrison (Northern Ireland) taken by her mother in County Down, Nothern Ireland early 1920's showing her paternal grandmother and father, in shadows of car. Local information suggests car is a Citroen and the registration is English. --  Registration XP 526 was issued by London County Council so car is cca 1923 Citroen Model B2. This car would have been built in France with right hand drive.  In 1925 Citroen were making this and smaller  Model C  in Slough.

1923 Citroen B2 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1926 Singer 10'26 Saloon
Photo submitted by Doug Clews Doug Clews, Glen Forrest, (Western Australia)  who is endeavouring to identify his Grandfather's car in 1920s/30s England. The general belief amongst family is that it is an Austin 20, but Austin enthusiasts say no.  --  Our Singer expert Simon Bishop confirms it is a cca 1926 Singer 10'26 Saloon. Fitted with front wheel brakes so would be a 1926 model. In 1927 they fitted semi elliptic front springs, which  would be visible.  Body  is  almost certainly  Singer.

1926 Singer 10'26 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1927 Buick Sedan
Photo submitted by Steve Walters (UK). The young chap standing next to car is his father-in-law Ernest Simmons, now aged 91. Photo was c1938. The vehicle would have been owned by Ernest's father, Joseph Simmons, who owned a transport company in Leicester.  -- From the shape of the radiator the car is a cca 1926/27 Buick Sedan. Radiator changed for 1928. Registration is Leicester County Borough Council but no records were kept.  The low number agrees with it being an early car.

1927 Buick Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1930 Citroen AC4 Saloon
Photo sent in by David Taylor (UK) of five cars taken at Buckie on the Moray Firth coast of N. Scotland.  --  We can advise that the cars left to right are a 1931 Buick, a 1932 Buick, a 1931 Austin, a 1930 Citroen and a 1929 'mystery' car. His grandfather owned one of them, probably the one without someone, as he is taking the photo. This is an Aberdeen registered 1930 Citroen AC4. None of our contacts could name the fifth car.  It is the two  small dimples  on the radiator  which are the problem!

1930s Moray Firth

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1930 Morris Commecial
Another photo submitted by Steve Walters (UK) about which he says:" The Bradfords Milk vehicle reg JG 1432 is just a random photo I bought at an antique fair in Ashby, - just because I liked it. I have tried researching it's origins without success. -- Well we can help with a couple of facts. JG is a Canterbury County Borough Council in Kent, issued towards the end of 1930. The louvres on the bonnet of the van are high as opposed short which ties in with it being cca 1930 Morris Commercial.

1930 Morris Commecial Van

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1930 Morris Cowley Saloon
Photo submitted by Jayne Shrimpton (UK) who is a dress historian and photograph specialist and who writes regular columns for Practical Family History magazine. She  was interested to learn more about the car and what it might be able to tell regarding the date.  --   LJ 1468 is a Bournemouth County Borough Council registrations issued spring 1930. The car is a Morris. Confirmed by our Morris expert Chas Moody that the car  model  is  the  slightly  simpler  cca 1929/30  Morris Cowley  Saloon

1930 Morris Cowley Saloon

UNUSUAL CAR IN Australia:cca 1936 Egan Six Saloon
Very brief email from Corey Eagan from (Australia) saying his great uncle worked for Ford in Geelong, Victoria, and built a car called the Egan. They were built in 1935/36. He would love to find out any info.  --  Not much is generally known about the Egan. Egan Motor Body Works had been making car bodies since 1916 and were contracted to Ford. In 1935 William Egan decided to design his own car from parts mostly sourced in Australia.  Not many  were made.  For more  info  click  here.

1936 Egan Six Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1938 Plymouth Sedan
Interesting conundrum for Richard Cahill, Co. Tipperary, ( Ireland ). The lady is his great grandmother. Her husband, his great grandfather, died in 1933. The car looks later than this. It was taken in the south of Ireland, probably in the Tipperary area.  -- We can only add confusion. The car is American and a cca 1937/8 Plymouth Sedan. Registration is unclear but looks like DC which would be Middlesborough cca 1927/28, too  early  for  the  car. Ireland  did not  have a  D or DC  reg. sequence.

1938 Plymouth Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:WW2 Rolls-Royce Armoured car
Gorgeous period photo submitted to Rootschat by Trish (UK) saying her late father was the gunner and sometimes driver of AC10, RAF Armoured Car Section in Somaliland in 1941.  --  We do not normally cover military vehicles but these Rolls Royce Armoured Cars are worth a mention. Developed during WW1, served well into WW2, especially in North Africa. A number of later cars were used by the RAF. Lanchester, Alvis and Crossley also made this type of vehicle but looked different.

Rolls Royce Armoured Car in 1941 Somaliland

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:UNKNOWN Triclops
Very puzzling photo received from Aleksandar Gavrilovic (Serbia) who says " I'm writing this e-mail to you from Belgrade, Serbia and I need your help in identification of this car. Car is in bad condition, I have only this picture of front end and I also heard that this car is made on early VW chassis, but that is only opinion of couple people. Please help me."  --  We have passed the photo to a number of our experts and to other forums but sadly and unusually we ALL have not found an answer, - yet.

Triclops

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1909-14 UNKNOWN Car
Period photo of a very full car was sent in by Barry Ennever (UK) who is researching the Ennever Family.  -- We  were not be able to make headway with the photo because most of the relevant identification features are not present: the radiator, the bonnet and the wheel nuts. It is not normally possible to identify early cars by bodywork because bodies were made by external coachwork companies. The position of the numberplate on small bulkhead gives us a period of 1909 to 1914

Unknown Tourer 1909 - 1914

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1905-10 UNKNOWN Limousine
Great period photo of a very proud chauffeur standing next to a magnificent Limousine was sent in by Peter Haventon (Sweden) Editor of Autohistorica. He says it is not a Maudslay, not a Delaunay-Belleville, then what is it? From post card in Germany, all obviously photographed in England. Do we have any ideas?  --  Despite the car being a magnificent Limousine which must habve been quite expensive to purchase, none of our normal experts have come up with identification.

Unknown Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:East African Motor Corps
Photo submitted by Fiona Manicom (South Africa) saying " I am doing some research on my Grandfather who enlisted in the East African Motor Corps in WW1. Would you help me with the identification of the car he is standing next to. I am also trying to find out how tall the car is as I have been told he was quite a tall man, but that doesn't seem to be accurate?  -- Subsequently identified from rear hub by Craig Gillingham from Australia as a cca 1914 Hupmobile Model 32.  Car is unusually low!

East African Motor Corps

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:UK Motorcycles
Two lovely photos were submitted separately by Hellen Brown and by Simon Beales (both UK) both of which had one thing in common. They were both scanned at a too low resolution and were very pixly. We requested re-scans and  at BEST RESOLUTION possible, as it is the detail that provides the identification. Regretfully we have heard nothing since. It is simply not possible to identify vehicles without being able  to magnify  certain details  which are  pointers to  make and  date. 

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As can be seen from our Help Pages we normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally we get stuck. Clicking on the photo on the right opens the page containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any help would be very much appreciated.

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