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London - Brighton Veteran Car Run?: Novemb 16.

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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided.  While page is being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,  cars are in year order:

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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1901 MMC Motor Bus
Slightly damaged period photo received from Steve Manns (UK) saying he would very much appreciate it if one of our experts could name the vehicle in this photo. -  A couple of our experts agree this could be a cca 1901 MMC Motor Bus. A photo of an almost identical motor bus is shown in a 1901 copy of the The Motor Car Journal, in Balham. Motor Manufacturing Co of Coventry formed 1898 made high wheeler cars, and motor waggonettes and chars-a-bancs. Went into liquidation 1904.

c1901 MMC Motor Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 Georges Richard RE Tonneau
Intriguing bunch of photos of the same car received from Eugenie Roux from Cornwall  (UK) driven by Albert Roux (not the chef!) in Normandy, France circa 1910. " (I'm a bit worried about the chap lying in the road in front of the car!)".  -- Advised by our veterans expert Ariejan Bos that this car is a 1903 Georges Richard 12Hp. The identification features are the straight dumb irons with the short curve at the end and also the offset crank handle.  Became Richard Brasier.  Left to form Unic 1905.

1902 Georges Richard Rear-Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 De Dion Bouton 8HP Populaire
Lovely period photo, a bit damaged, received from June Cobley (UK) with everyone posed around a car, including grandmother and her parents. The car is K3904 believed registered in Liverpool although the family probably lived in Penrith. -- We repaired photo, indeed Liverpool CBC, but no dating data available. The Car has been confirmed as a Paris made cca 1904 De Dion Bouton 8HP Populaire Biplace (two-seater).  De Dion Bouton was at time the world's largest automobile manufacturer.

1904 De Dion Bouton 8HP Populaire

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908 Deasy 25 Tourer
Very unusual photo received from Geoff Clark of Farnham (UK) who states he is very impressed with your website and wondered if we could identify car owned by wife's great grandfather from Elstead Surrey. -- Unusual bonnet and radiator, limiting number of manufactures. From the bonnet and radiator this looks  like a 1907 Deasy, but without front transverse spring? Our Ariejan Bos advises 1908 Deasy 25 model when they had apparently abandoned the transverse front spring for normal.

1908 Deasy 25 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909 Cadillac Model 30 Demi-Tonneau
Photo posted on AACA website by Scottm (USA) saying photo probably taken in Indiana. Any idea what the car is?  --  My thought from the rear wheel hub and relatively pointed radiator was that it was a Cadillac. Contacted our Dutch veteran expert Ariejan Bos  who also suggests Cadillac but pinpoints it to a 1909 Cadillac. He said it looks too short for a touring car, so more like a Toy Tonneau (Demi-Tonneau). This would make it a four cylinder cca 1909 Cadillac Model 30 Demi-Tonneau, $1.4k.

1909 Cadillac Model 30 Demi-Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Humber 28HP Tourer
One of a number of high quality interesting photos sent to us by Mike Mackrill (UK) with website called Nostalgic Picture Library. " Would appreciate identification of motor vehicle with the Red Cross Ladies within, taken on the Isle of Wight, possibly Brighstone. Building in background could be that owned by Cheverton, garage owner at Newport. "
-- No registration visible to aid dating. From the distinctive wheel hubs,  this is a lovely photo of a cca 1911 Humber 28 HP Tourer.

1911 Humber 28HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Hobart TC 269cc Single
One of a number of interesting and puzzling photos sent to us by Mike Mackrill (UK) who has high quality photo website called Nostalgic Picture Library.
 Can we help out by identifying this vehicle?  -- Unusual motorcycle manufactured by Hobart Bird & Co in Coventry who operated between 1901-1924 making bikes and motorcycles. Originally JAP engines, in 1915 started using Villiers engines. This is a cca 1920 Hobart  TS 269 cc single-cylinder,  registered by the Isle of Wight C.C.

1920 Hobart TC 269cc Single Motorcycle

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1922 Oakland Sensible Six
Photos received in 2007 from Kevin Mikesell from Illinois (USA) trying to identify the car in this picture with his Great Aunt and Uncle. He assumes the picture was taken around 1925 in Michigan. --  Picture was  fuzzy and we  had enhanced it, but at that time it remained unknown. It remained so for 10 years! However we have now been advised by Varun Coutinho that he thinks it is a cca1922 Oakland Sensible Six Model 6-44 5-Passenger Touring. Made in Pontiac, Michigan, & became GM in 1909.

1922 Oakland Six Sport

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923 Ford Model TT Bus
Rather fascinating photo sent to us by
Amelia Fernandez (Spain) from Guregipuzkoa Photo Archive, Spain, showing a public transport vehicle with a 1924 San Sebastian license plate. What is it, and what are contraptions attached to the wheels? --  The rather nice vehicle is a cca 1923 Ford Model TT chassis with a local bus body. Gizmos on wheels are mud flaps to prevent car wheels splashing sideways at horses, at other cars and people on sidewalk.  Solid or broom types invented and used. 

1923 Ford Model TT Bus with mud flaps

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Ford Model TT Charabanc
One of a number of interesting and puzzling photos sent to us by Mike Mackrill (UK) who has high quality photo website called Nostalgic Picture Library.
 Can we help out by identifying this vehicle?  -- Interesting little vehicle with a demountable top and a special bus body. Transverse front spring denotes a Model T, long wheelbase denotes a TT and the TA 3529 numberplate denotes it was a cca 1924 Ford Model TT Charabanc registered by Devon County Council.  TTs were made to 1927, then AA.

1924 Ford Model TT Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1924 Austro Daimler ADM II Tourer
Couple of lovely period photo received from Jonas Nilsson (USA) saying they have relocated from England to Westport Connecticut to an old house which comes with some car history. Can we identify two pictures assumed of the same car. --  Not the same car and not even from the same country. This car was made in Wiener-Neustadt in Austria with a pedigree of Paul Daimler and Ferdinand Porsche. This is a cca 1924 Austro Daimler ADM II Tourer.  In 1934 it became Steyr-Daimler-Puch.

1924 Austro Daimler ADM II Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1925 Buick Master Six Coach
Photo received from Clatk Zellmer (USA) saying it was was taken in Arcadia Iowa, of the Mess family in front of their home, exact date is unknown. They are doing a presentation on family history for a reunion and would like to find the year, make, and model of the car. --  As it was also posted on the AACA website our New Zealand contributor Mark Dawber answered there that it was a cca 1925 Buick Master Six Coach - Model 25-40 - which was a new body style on shorter 120" wheelbase.

1925 Buick Master Six Coach

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1926 Rover 9/20 Super Sports
Interesting email received from Bernhard Ruest (Switzerland) relating to his car which is similar to one on our HP51 and also 55 subsequently identified as a cca 1926 Rover 9/20 Sports. Could it be the same car?
--Examination of details such as louvers, mudguards, step etc confirms it is not the same car. However in his searches, one of the owners was a Mike Erroll of Godstone. Small world. Mike was a friend and Chairman of this Society for many years.  He sadly died only a couple of years ago.

1926 Rover 9/20 Super Sports

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Probably c1932 NAZ/GAZ Model A
Another very interesting photograph sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) who is a collector of old photos.  Photo was taken in the USSR, in the Soviet city of Gorky.  --  Looks American but with a star logo? We are not specialists in Soviet cars but we think this is one of the early 1932 NAZ-A, later 1933+ GAZ-A, cars made in
Nizhny Novgorod using cca 1930 Ford Model A parts initially from the USA. Petrol filler cap was on the scuttle and radiator top was not scalloped like the US 'A'.

Probably c1932 NAZ/GAZ Model A

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Morris Cowley Saloon
Photo received from our Singer Expert Simon Bishop (UK) saying he has been asked to identify this car which he thought to be a Morris. Can we help? -- MV reg is Middlesex between 7'31 and 6'33. Single wiper, adjacent door handles, wheelhubs, bumper, and shape of radiator top with a lower inset section, splayed bumper. 32 Major? Combined wisdom of Tony Oakes and Chas Moody advise that from body molding above handles, not present on Major, this is a cca 1932 Morris Cowley Saloon.

1932 Morris Cowley Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Morris Minor Saloon
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) was intrigued by this photo he found on the internet, and wondered if we could identify the pre war Morris. Thinks the American  towing the caravan is a 1929 Dodge DA. Picture taken in the late 1940.  --  Our Morris expert Chas Moody had a couple of lengthy goes at it and aided by Tony Oakes thinks this is cca 1932 Morris Minor Family Eight Saloon as has the windscreen with rounded corners.  Range did not change from 1933-34.

1932 Morris Minor Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1934 Ford V8 40 Touring
Couple of lovely period photo received from Jonas Nilsson (USA) saying they have relocated from England to Westport Connecticut to an old house which comes with some car history. Can we identify two pictures assumed of the same car. --  Not the same car. This one is home grown in Detroit. The main helpful identification feature is the logo on the front wheel which two of our experts have rightly identified as V8. It also has a handle on the front of the bonnet so is a cca 1934 Ford V8 40.

1934 Ford V8 40 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Rover 16 Sports Saloon
Anoher photo received from Turtle Bunbury (Eire) who is trying to identify the make of thise vehicle. Group snap was taken between 1944 and 1951. Man on left is his grandfather Lord Rathdonnell and his wife Pamela is seated next to his aunt Alexandra as a child (born 1940). Note an unidentified assassin on the bonnet! -- Upmarket British car that was much a status symbol. From the long louvre panel this is a cca 1937 Rover 16 Sports Saloon. Made 1937-40, 2147 cc,  capable 75mph. 

1937 Rover 16 Sports Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1938 Lancia Astura Pillarless Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from taken from an American film " The Sicilian"  made in 1987 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Story of a infamous bandit who took on the rich landowners, Mafia and governmenent in attempts to liberate 1950s Sicily. --  Made by Mario Puzo after success of The Godfather. Problems with local Mafia sorted when allowed to act in the film!! Legal hassles difficult. Door handles and shape of louvres suggest a cca 1938 Lancia Astura Pillarless Saloon.

1938 Lancia Astura Pillarless Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1941 Fiat 1500C Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from taken from an American film " The Sicilian"  made in 1987 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Story of a infamous bandit who took on the rich landowners, Mafia and govermenent in attempts to liberate 1950s Sicily. --  Made by Mario Puzo after success of The Godfather. Problems with local Mafia sorted when allowed to act in the film!! Legal hassles difficult. Door handles, chrome strip and bonnet air flap suggest a cca 1941 Fiat 1500C Saloon.

1941 Fiat 1500C Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1951 Panhard Dyna X 120 Cabriolet
One of a batch of interesting photographs sent to us by Fouad Tahri (Morocco) of a car
found languishing in a garage in Morocco. He knows nothing about it, and photos taken by someone else. --  The rubbish on it does not help but looks very French. Designed by JA Gregoire and manufactured by Société AE Panhard et Levassor, this is a cca 1951 Panhard Dyna X 120 Two-door Cabriolet, front mounted two cylinder boxter air cooled engine, 4 gears, 745cc rated 4CV capable of 120 KPH.

1951 Panhard Dyna X 120 Cabrio

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1955 Dodge Kingsway V8
Another very interesting photograph sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) who is a collector of old photos.  Any ideas on where the photo was taken?  USA? --  No, faces are oriental/pacific. Our NZ Contributor Mark Dawber suggests New Guinea and the car could be from Australia?? That floating dock should be a clue. Bikes look odd. The car closest looks a 1955 Dodge Kingsway V8. There are three Chevrolets from the 1949-52 period and at back is a 1951-52 Plymouth,  and a VW.

c1955 Dodge Kingsway V8, but where??

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Miniature 1960s Fire Extinguisher
Intriguing photo received from Henry Hammar  (Sweden) of an unknown gizmo in an ex-British Embassy Daimler in Helsinki, Finland. Current owner over 20 years no ideas from anybody as to what it was.   -- We contacted various Daimler specialists and also contacted Keith Sanderson, the Queen's Head Chauffeur at Buckingham Palace, but no ideas. We have now determined made by Bradville in Maidenhead 1960s and original is labeled as ' Aston Martin Lagonda  Jet Fire Extinguisher '.

Miniature 1960s Bradville Fire Extinguisher

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unidentified cca 1909 Chassis
Number of current photos received from Pino Lombardi (UK) trying to identify the make and year of this four cylinder engined rolling chassis; chain drive, three quarter elliptics, straight front axle,  wire wheels, RH drive, transmission brake and no front brakes and two foot pedals.  --  Our experts  believe these parts do not belong together but have been assembled for many years from the evidence of the rust 'patina' and corrosion.  Unlikely it ever left a car maker's factory as we see it now !

Unidentified cca 1909 Chassis

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unknown 1925'9 'Golfer's Roadster
Puzzling photos sent to us by
Mike Wasson (USA) from New Mexico on an eleven thousand acre ranch. What is it ?  "It appears to be a grave yard of old rigs. Ford cowl nearby. What throws me is a small one foot square door or opening behind the passenger door area."   --  This is a cca 1925'9 'Golfer's Roadster/Coupe' and the small square door is for stowing away golf clubs. Not a Ford. Possibly a Lincoln but many other makes had the feature including Cadillac, Hupmobile, Willys, Marmon... 

Unknown 1925'9 'Golfer's Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unidentified 1940 Three-Wheeler
Intriguing period photo received from Steve Manns (UK) saying he would very much appreciate it if one of our experts could name the vehicle in this photo. The St Johns Ambulance photo was taken in 1941,  if that's any help. -  Registration JPH was issued by the Surrey County Council 9/40 to 6/41 so likely 433 was late 1940. Many of our experts have had a look at his one and some thought perhaps based on an Austin 7 but Austin people are saying parentage is early three wheeler. 

Unidentified 1940 Three-Wheeler
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