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Page 63 below relates to enquiries received during 2013Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1899 De Dion Bouton Quadricycle
Puzzling photo received from Sam Dickinson (UK) of ancestors Charles and Beatrix Field, of Brighton, notated '1899' and 'Orient Express'.  --  Orient Express was a German company making Benz-like cars, which this is not. Did not make quads. US company Waltham sold 'Orient' quads in 1898 which were imported De Dion Bouton from France. In 1902 made their own 'Orient Autogo' quad. Possibly via US but we are relatively sure this is a French cca 1899 De Dion Bouton Automoto Quad

1899 De Dion Bouton Quadricycle

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1900 Parisienne Victoria Combination
Another photo from the Exeter Memories website (UK) showing a car defined as a De Dion. -- This picture is shown on a couple of pages and is described as a 1903 De Dion. Registration is Exeter CBC, but 1904, - and the vehicle is not a De Dion Bouton. This was built by the French Company Societe Parisienne which initially made bicycles  from 1976 and light car construction in 1898-1901. This is a cca 1900 Parisienne Victoria Combination, people in a Caleche. 2.5 De Dion or Aster engines.

1900 Parisienne Victoria Combination

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Buick Model 10 Toy Tonneau
Another interesting photo received from Eileen Stokes (UK). Eileen has no information or link with the photo except that she knows it was almost certainly taken in USA and is a postcard curiosity requiring identification.  -- Registration plate covers the header tank but our Mark Dawber advises this is a Michigan built cca 1909 Buick Model 10 Toy Tonneau, made at the time that Billy Durant was setting up General Motors with Buick as the base. Flags say Middleton & Sun Prairie match?

1909 Buick Model 10 Toy Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Stanley Steamer Model 63
Photo of unusual car for UK received from Benjamin Oldcorn (UK) saying he works for the Porthcurno Telegraph Museum in Cornwall. Can we identify car outside the old building. -- Porthcurno was where all under-sea cables came to UK from all over the world. Registration advises that the car was registered with Cornwalll County Council in early 1911. Our friend Jim Merrick at the Stanley Museum in Maine  advises this is a  cca 1911 Stanley Steamer  Model 63 10 HP Touring Car.

1911 Stanley Steamer Model 63 Touring Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Renault AX 8HP Two-Seater
Another photo from the Exeter Memories website (UK) showing an unknown car belonging to a Percy Tucker pulling an ambulance trailer used to carry wounded soldiers from Queen Street Station to one of five VA Military hospitals in the city.  -- This seems to be an earlier car owned by Mr Tucker but photographed at about the same time in 1916 when the Tailby trailers were obtained by the newly formed Ambulance Sevice Corps. The car is a French cca 1911 Renault AX 8HP Two-Seater.

1911 Renault AX 8HP Two-Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Sperber F4 6'20 Doppelphaeton
Another lovely photo received from Juha Kaitanen (Finland) saying it looks like a NSU but not quite?  -- Logo actually says NAW not NSU. Norddeutshe Automobil Werke in Hamlen in North Saxony, Germany made two cars for which they were known: Colibri cca 1908 and then the Sperber cca 1911. First Sperber cars had Sperber on the rad but in 1913 built two new models with NAW logo. This is a cca 1913 Sperber F4 6'20 Doppelphaeton.  Town is famous for the ' Pied Piper of Hamelin ' legend.

1913 Sperber F4 6'20 Doppelphaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Stutz Bearcat Series E Roadster
Another photo from Jim Derham-Reid from British Columbia (Canada) showing a car driven in the Great War by a Mr Coates, but the location has been forgotten.   -- This car has louvers on the bonnet and uneven number of wheelnuts, and has electric lighting, so is the cca 1913 Stutz Bearcat Series E. Stutz started production in 1912 and Series E Bearcat was introduced in late 1913. I love the external Mother-in-Law seat outside by the passenger!  No handle to hold on with!  Could do 75+mph.

1913 Stutz Bearcat Series E Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Calthorpe 10HP Two-Seater
Interesting photo from the Exeter Memories website (UK) showing an unknown car and also an ambulance trailer. Car belonged to a Percy Tucker thought c 1915. The trailer was used to carry wounded soldiers from Queen Street Station to one of five VA Military hospitals in the city. -- We found a 1915 press item about what looks like an identical trailer designed by a E M Tailby of Edgbaston Birmingham and costing then £40. Car in  the picture  is a cca  1913  Calthorpe 10HP  Two-Seater.

1913 Calthorpe 10HP Two-Seater with a Tailby Ambulance Trailer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Fiat Tipo 2A Coupe de Ville
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in an American film " Paid to Love " made in 1927 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. The film is about an American Banker going to a Balkan country to try and marry off the Crown Prince to help investments.  --  The car is Italian, made by Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino originally formed in 1899 and currently the fourth largest auto maker in Europe. From louvers and rounded rad, a cca 1914 FIAT Tipo 2B Coupe de Ville.

1914 FIAT Tipo 2A Coupe De Ville

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Hupmobile 32 H Touring
Aged photo from Chris Neaves (South Africa) of father's cars taken in Rhodesia after he emigrated there in 1910. Same house in background but the vegetation is different.  -- This car is American and has the sharply sloping angular bonnet and high set headlamps, which identifies it. Made in Detroit, Michigan, and for dating purposes the sloping bonnet limits it to 1913-14, electric headlamps to the latter, so this is a cca 1914 Hupmobile  Model 32H Touring. Robert Hupp left to form RCH Auto.

1914 Hupmobile 32 H Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Ford Model T Touring
Aged photo from Chris Neaves (South Africa) of father's cars taken in Rhodesia after he emigrated there in 1910. Same house in the background but the vegetation is different.  -- This car is American and has a transverse front spring which identifies it. For dating, it has no louvers on the bonnet, has electric headlamps, round oil sidelamps, no drivers' door, a two man top, and folding 40'60 windscreen, making it a made in  Highland Park, Michigan,  late  cca 1914  Ford Model  T  Touring.

1914 Ford Model T 3 Door Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost Coupe
Another photo from Jim Derham-Reid from British Columbia (Canada) showing a car driven by a Mr Coates.   -- We have asked three external wise RR sages on this enquiry including Tom Clark and Steve Hubbard who has pinpointed this car to being a 1920 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost with Barker Collapsible Coupe Body, chassis number 98FW. Interesting to note it carries a 1916 registration, so is presumably an early 'cherished plate' and was used by Paisley's  Coats cotton thread family. 

1920 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost with a  Barker Collapsible Coupe Body

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Kissel Kar 6'61 De Luxe Tourster
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is?  --  Relatively unusual make and another car manufactured in America, this one in Hartford Wisconsin, by a farming family of Germanic origin, which built their first car in 1905. This is a cca 1922 Kissel Kar 6'61 De Luxe Tourster. More exotic models owned by  Al Jolson,  Amelia Earhart and  Fatty Arbuckle.

1922 Kissel Kar 6'61 De LuxeTourste

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Ford Model T Touring
Another photo from the Exeter Memories website (UK) showing an unknown car belonging to nice Dr. Lovely.  -- Transverse front spring. Registration is Exeter County Borough Council c1922, which, as it is the right way round, confirms the car is definitely left hand drive. This would suggest the car was built in Highland Park, Michigan, USA, despite there being a plant for these in the UK. This is a 1922 Ford Model T Touring.  Note the  RAC badge  on the radiator cap,  and  British style  side lamps.

1922 Ford Model T Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 DOT Supersports 350 Motorcycle
Another photo from the Exeter Memories website (UK) showing an unknown motorcycle. -- Our 'Morris man' Chas Moody, who also knows about old bikes, wondered what the big dot was on the petrol tank, and then clicked that the machine is a DOT (Devoid of Trouble). The engine is a proprietary Bradshaw oil cooled with 'bacon slicer' outside flywheel. Unusual machine; a DOT 350cc Supersports, registered Somerset 1923. No wonder the owner looks suitably pleased - this is a super motorcycle.

1923 DOT 350cc Supersports Motorcycle

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 Morris Cowley Tourer
Interesting blurry photo dated 1927 received from Teresa Lawler (UK) of grandmother Elsie Mable Cook of Lyng, Norfolk   -- Registration plate no help in dating the car. It is obviously a Bullnose Morris of which two near identical models were made: top of the range Oxford and cheaper Cowley. They are quite difficult to differentiate from a distance especially as Cowley frequently had the Oxford features as 'extras'. Fron no offside doors, relatively sure a  cca 1923  Morris Cowley Tourer.

1923 Morris Cowley Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Chrysler B70/1928 Chevrolet AA
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what these are?  --  Group of five cars on an excursion from Constanta to Varna in Bulgaria. All are American. The car on the left is a cca 1924 Chrysler B70 Touring, soon after the company started in 1924. The car on the right is a cca 1928 Chevrolet Series AA Touring, by this time part of General Motors Corpn.

1924 Chrysler B70 and 1928 Chevrolet AA

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Willys Knight & 1928 Chevrolet
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what these are?  --  Group of five cars on an excursion from Constanta to Varna in Bulgaria. All are American. The car on the left is a cca 1925 Willys-Knight model 65 Sedan made by Willys-Overland in Toledo. The car on the right is a cca 1928 Chevrolet Series AA Touring, by this time part of General Motors C.

1925 Willys-Knight Model 65 Sedan &  1928 Chevrolet  Series  AA Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Nash Special 6 Ser. 131 Touring
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what these are?  --  Group of five cars on an excursion from Constanta to Varna in Bulgaria. All are American. The car on the far right of the group was made in Kenosha Wisconsin and recognisable by the wide radiator which not yet has a widow's peak.  This is a cca 1925  Nash  Special Six  Series  131  Touring.

1925 Nash Special 6 Series 131 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Austin 20 Ranalagh Limousine
Photo posted on PreWarCar website requesting identification by Brian Gould saying his Grandfathe ran a business in Uplyme/Lyme Regis for several years in the early 1900's. It may be an Austin as he would never buy anything else for his business. When he retired he bought an A40. -- From the slope of the scuttle, the position of the sidelamp and bracket type, the size and location of the airvent, windscreen, wiper and mirror, this looks much like cca 1926 Austin 20 Ranalagh Limousine.

1926 Austin 20 Ranalagh Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Chevrolet 1 Ton Truck
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is?  --  Lorries and trucks can be quite difficult especially if a side view only. However a number of things point towards an an American vehicle built in Detroit Michigan by General Motors. This seems to be a cca 1926 Chevrolet 1 Ton Truck which was selling in USA at that time in 1926, in chassis form, for $550.

1926 Chevrolet 1 Ton Truck

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Chrysler CI Richmond Sedan
Another photo received from Brian Edgecombe, Sydney (Australia) researching family photos from the UK and believes dates can be placed on them from the vehicles in them. He found us on Google. --  Another that is not easy, this being almost totally obscured by people. Initially thought to be a '31 Chrysler CD, our Mark Dawber advises interesting slightly later cca 1932 Chrysler CI Six, Four Door Sedan. These were also made for UK market as Richmond & Kingston,  and DeSoto as Mortlake!

1932 Chrysler CI Richmond Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1939 Ford V8 Fordor Deluxe Sedan
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is?  --  Unusual angle and another car manufactured in America, this one in Detroit. This was made during the period that 'slopers' were popular; this meaning a sloping back end to the car. This is a cca 1939 Ford V8 Fordor Deluxe Sedan.  A small  'Ford'  insignia can just be seen  above the boot handle.

1939 Ford V8 Fordor Deluxe Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1954 Dodge Kingsway Crusader Sedan
Another photo received from Raoul Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from a batch of photos he purchased on-line recently. This is only a small section of the photo showing a tailfin which he could not identify and was intriguing. Seems location was "Bab Edriss" which is a  quarter of the Lebanese city of Beirut.  -- Not an easy one as quite a few cars had small metal tailfins in 1949 - 55 period before the massive fins took over. This tailfin belongs to a cca 1954 Dodge Kingsway Crusader Sedan.

1954 Dodge Kingsway Crusader Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown cca 1905 modified Tourer
Photo received from Andre van de Loo, Wanswert, Friesland (Holland) of car owned by Mr. H. Posthumus, local blacksmith and maker of tandem bicycles. In 1913 he became the first car owner in the village, a 1912 Opel which he used as taxi.-- Despite extensive investigations in various countries we are not able to identify this car. Registration was later on a 1912 Opel. We feel this is a cca 1905 style car much modified probably by its blacksmith owner with Germanic looking open bodywork.

Unknown cca1905 Modified Tourer
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