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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided.  While page is being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,  cars are in year order:

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Page 70 below relates to enquiries received during 2014Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 De Dion Bouton 6HP 
Lovely photo received from Chris Reynolds of Hertfordshire Genealogy (UK) from a collection of Jim Mullary relating to a Reynolds family farm. The car almost certainly belonged to a member of the Reynolds Family of Heath Farm, St Albans, Herts. The registration number is AR (or perhaps AK) 419. --  Reg AR 419 would be Hertford County Council mid/late 1904, whereas AK 419 would be Bradford late 1905. Leavers by steering column say this is a c 1904 De Dion Bouton 6HP Two Seater

1904 De Dion Bouton 6HP 

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Brasier KD Open Drive Limousine
Another request for identification of a vehicles received from our regular contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal) who says 'Seated on top of the car photographer Joshua Benoliel is able to see behind the wall where a duel is taking place between two well-known Portuguese politicians in June 1910.  Registration "LX 775" is from the Lisbon Municipality, belonging to one of the contenders. -- From the ridged bonnet,  this is a  cca 1908/9 Brasier possibly KD Open Drive Limousine.

1909 Brasier KD Open Drive Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Leon Bollee Landaulette
One of a number of lovely photos received from Owen Matthews (UK) relating to his distant relative James Gunn Hilliar who was a chauffeur in 1911 in Fetcham Surrey. This is one of a number of cars he drove. Can we identify them?  --  The bonnet and radiator appear a bit younger than the bodywork/mudguards so this could be a later re-bodied car. From the shape of the bonnet this would seen to be a cca 1909 Leon Bollee  Landaulette,  possibly  imported via Cannstatt Auto Supply Assn.

1909 Leon Bollee Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Probably 1910 Mercedes-Electrique
Another request for an identification of a vehicles received from our regular contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal) of anambulance that once belonged to the Portuguese Red Cross, can we help identifying it.  -- Strikingly unusual item is the circular drum on the inside of front wheel. Nick Georgano kindly confirmed that this is an electric vehicle of the Lohner-Porsche type, probably cca 1910 Mercedes Electrique. Porsche left the Austrian  Lohner Werke in 1905 for Austro Daimler (Mercedes).

Probably 1910 Mercedes-Electrique

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1910 DFP 10'12_Roadster
Small photos received from  Georges Truffaut (Belgium) from postcards they are trying to identify. It seems to be the car of the photographer as it appears on different cards. Photographed in the Cantal 'departement' of France.  -- Photos are very small/blurry but from the curve to the bottom of the radiator, the curved steering arm forward of the axle , and the large three letters of the badge, we are relatively certain this is a cca1911 Doriot Flandrin & Parant (DFP) 10'12 Roadster.

1910 DFP 10'12 Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Belsize 12HP Van
Photo received from Roger Butlin, Pinner (UK), who heard of us through Family Tree Magazine, which shows uncle Arthur Henry Warren Todman standing beside a new van just delivered to grandfather's retail business. Guess the date being about 1922. Vehicle registration looks like H6034.  --  H 6034 is Middlesex CC but accurate dating data lost. Reg letter H ranges from 1903 to 1912. 6034 would be about 1910/11. This is cca 1911 Belsize 12HP Van. Does not look 11 years old if photo 1922?

1911 Belsize 12HP Van

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Ford Model T Tourer
Lovely period family photo received from Kim Hinsley (UK), from cousin in New Zealand, taken in England around 1911. She is currently writing a book about the family and wants to include this picture. --  Transverse front spring but regretfully cannot see registration which would provide accurate dating. This is an American made, but from the shape of the scuttle a big British bodied car, which has front doors and has a winged AA badge, both making it earliest date a  cca 1911 Ford Model T Tourer.

1911 Ford Model T Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Darracq 18'24 Tourer
Another batch of photos received from  Georges Truffaut (Belgium) from postcards they are trying to identify. This one has been discussed on a forum and suggested as a 1911 Darracq Cll.  -- Two of our experts agree on the Darracq and on cca 1910/11. The bodywork style of having a scuttle with a vertical cutoff was popular 1909 to 1914. We have a very similar car on Help Page 16 as a 1911 16HPp but one of our experts feels it is a bigger car,  unless the people are small,  and probably 18'24.

1911 Darracq 18'24 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Triumph 500cc 3.5hp
Another photo received from Mark Caudwell (UK) saying 'what a brilliant site you have! I am enclosing some pictures relating to my grandfather Charles Caudwell and friends,  being near his Abingdon home. Can you identify the motorcycle.  --  Registration says Berks CC 1913. Our Robin Vince says Triumph 500cc 3.5hp roadster. Chas Moody agrees but dates build cca 1911; plain front mudguard, lamp brackets on both sides front fork pivot,  and the smaller,  double spring at the top of the front forks.

1913 Triumph 500cc 3.5hp Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Bianchi Tipo S 10'12HP
Another from a batch of photos received from  Georges Truffaut (Belgium) from postcards they are trying to identify. This he believes is a Bianchi  but he doesn't know whether it is going to the coach builder or it has been stripped .  -- Difficult to say because from 1913 Bianchi had their own coachwork department so cars had factory bodies. Bianchi was also active in UK and some cars sold to UK were bodied by English companies. This seems 'smaller' car so cca 1913 Bianchi Tipo S 10'12HP.

1913 Bianchi Tipo S 10'12HP

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 PicPic 4.5L GP Cabriolet
Another very unusual
car being investigated by AutoPuzzles, which we named,  and one which deserves showing as an aid to identification of vintage vehicles.  --  This car is unusual in many respects, one being that it was designed in Geneva, Switzerland but built in France. This is a cca 1914 Piccard-Pictet 4.5L GP Cabriolet. It seems this car may have been built before WW1 and was one of two Pic-Pic 4.5L 1914 Grand Prix cars, - re-bodied later.  Has UK sidelights and RAC badge on cap.  Also is RHD.

1914 Pic-Pic 4.5L GP Cabriolet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Siddeley Deasy Landaulette
One of a number of lovely photos received from Owen Matthews (UK) relating to his distant relative James Gunn Hilliar who was a chauffeur in 1911 in Fetcham Surrey. This is one of a number of cars he drove. Can we identify them?  --  British car despite the Renault-like front end and radiator at the back of the bonnet. Company started as Deasy MCMC in 1906 but Deasy left unhappy in 1908. Boss became John Siddeley and company renamed in 1912. This is cca 1914 Siddeley Deasy Landaulette.

1914 Siddeley Deasy Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917 Hudson Super Six Phaeton
Lovely period photo received from Stefanie Stephens-Forester (USA) trying to de-mistify some genalogy. Photo is of a car by  "US Post office of Douthat, Okla.", near town of Pitcher, which opened March 1917. Is the car a Biddle? --  No, but Biddle did make bodies for them. Triangular badge, tie bar over headlights, no bar across the bottom of the rad, 10 spokes front, curved base to windscreen, all suggest a cca 1917 Hudson Super Six Phaeton. Car behind horse & cart seems moving Model T Ford.

1917 Hudson Super Six Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1919 Lexington 25'35 R19 Touring
Another puzzling photo posted on the AACA website, this by White, saying this is a photo of the Prince of Wales, later to become King Edward VIII, taken in Nanaimo BC, in 1919. Can anyone pinpoint the make of car? -- The badge seems to be rectangular suggesting USA Lexinton. We found another photo of the side of the car which shows 10 spoke front and 12 spoke rear wheels, and long multiple slanted louvers which limits it to being cca 1919 Lexington 25'35  R-19 Touring 5 places.

1919 Lexington 25'35 R-19 Touring with HRH Prince of Wales in Nanaimo Canada

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920s Elephant Acetelylene Headlamp
Interesting photos received from Darren Brown (UK) of an old headlight he is  chasing trying to find out its history. Made of aluminium, looks like ran on gas. 'Elephant Motors Ltd' stamped on it. Any connection with Humphrey and Meteorite cars?? -- No. Elephant  were based in SE London and were motor factors able to provide hard-to-get and extinct spares for UK and American cars/lorries. Still operational in 1960s. Doubtful actually  manufactured the lamps.  Badge engineered & sales. 

1920s Elephant Acetelylene Headlamp

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 Beardmore 12HP Sports Skiff 
Another very unusual
car being investigated by AutoPuzzles, which we named,  and one which deserves showing as an aid to identification of vintage vehicles.  --  This is a 1923 Beardmore 12HP Sports Skiff. 1836 Scottish conglomerate from Clydeside who built naval guns, then ships, then aircraft carriers, then airships and aircraft, also manufactured railway locomotives. Bought Sentinel steam vehicle co., diversified into cars,  and 1919 into manufacture of the Beadmoe London Taxi to 1966. 

1923 Beardmore 12HP Sports Skiff

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 Peugeot Quadrilette Cabriolet
Series of
photographs received from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  He has come across this car in Romania and is thinking of buying it. (Has!) Can we confirm make and model ? --  This is a French cca 1923/4 Peugeot Quadrilette Cabriolet, probably the 172 BC. Side by side seating, has the multiple louvers, has the tie bar and small lamps. Valence over  transverse  front spring   is  missing. Later rounded  back.

1923 Peugeot Quadrilette Cabriolet 172BC

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Hudson Super Six Phaeton
Another photo received from Raoul Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from a batch of 1920s/30s photos he purchased on-line recently. Initially looked at Adler but the car looks slightly American. Do we have any idea what it could be? --  The bonnet is heavily rounded, headlamps are drum type, radiator is painted, louvers are part of the bonnet; a cca 1924 Hudson Super Six Phaeton. The car inforeground has horizontal slats,  rounded rad,  mascot which looks Essex;  a cca 1927 Essex Coach.

1924 Hudson Super Six Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Unic L1 Landaulette
Lovely period photo received from Colin Harris of Portsmouth (UK) of a car on an old postcard of Thornton Heath he is trying to identify. He also enlarged the mascot. --  Mascot was after-market so not really a help. The bullnose radiator, and the twin bonnet louver panels, are however a giveaway for make, which is French. Registration YL 2846 is London County Council, which dates it as a cca 1925 Unic L1 Open Drive Landaulette.  Unic were well known  in UK  for making the 'London' taxi. 

1925 Unic L1 Open Drive Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Morris Cowley Bullnose Tourer
Another lovely but much damaged blurry photo received from Brett Rawlings (Australia) who is investigating his family history. Is this the same car as previous.  --  No. The other photo (also on this page) was of an American cca 1925 Rugby. This photo, which we have considerably repaired, is of a different car from a different continent. This is a car made in Britain, a cca 1925 Morris Cowley Bullnose, pinpointed by our Chas Moody from having black hubcap centres, not nickel as on Oxford.

1925 Morris Cowley Bullnose Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Rugby Model F Touring
Lovely but blurry photo received from Brett Rawlings (Australia) who is investigating his family history. Knowing the make of car etc., would give him some insight into the circumstances of that part of his family. Location is countryside of south-east Queensland (Australia). --  Being blurry it is difficult to make out the precise shape of the radiator. A number of cars had scalloped rads but as this one has a hinge lowish on the side panel  of the bonnet,  it  is  a cca 1925  Rugby  Model  F Touring.

1925 Rugby Model F Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 Talbot 14'45 'Special' Another photo received from Mark Caudwell (UK) saying 'what a brilliant site you have! I am enclosing some pictures relating to my grandfather Charles Caudwell and friends, location being near his Abingdon home. Can you identify the cars.  --  This one is not at all easy because the car has a 'special' body, 'cycle' type mudguards and even the radiator has a stone guard to make identification more difficult. Notwithstanding, our  Tony Oakes  is  relatively  sure  this  is  a cca 1927 Talbot 14'45 'Special'.

1927 Talbot 14'45 Special

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 Chandler Royal Eight Sedan
Another from a batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  Another American, this one a little less known, manufactured by a company started in 1913 in Cleveland Ohio by a bunch of executives who had left Lozier. Company peaked in 1927 and was purchased by Hupp Motor Works in 1929,  and died.  This is a cca 1928 Chandler Royal Eight Sedan.

1928 Chandler Royal Eight Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1950 Singer Nine AB Sports Roadster
Lovely family photo received from Andy Iles (Australia), saying this is his father's first car. All he knows is that it was red, and he had it in country Victoria, Australia around 1950/55. Any clues would be most appreciated. Thought it might be an MG? --  Not an MG but another of the older British sporting marques. Company started in 1874 making bikes, then motorcycles, then into cars in 1905. This is a cca 1950 Singer Nine AB Sports Roadster. Taken over by Roots 1956 and Chrysler 1970.

1950 Singer Nine AB Sports Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Probably 1933 Citroen C4G Saloon
Another from a batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  This one is a bit of a puzzle and is not a positive identification. The 'feel' is French and the tyres are Michelin, central chrome strip on the rad, seems to be right hand drive and a noticeable central dip pattern on the panel above the windscreen.  Most probably very early cca 1933 Citroen C4G Saloon.

Probaby 1933 Citroen C4G Saloon.
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