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Page 66 below relates to enquiries received during 2014Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1900 Daimler 12 HP Wagonette
A lovely period photo
received from John Archbold (UK) whose Great-Grandmother, Mrs Cuthbertson, was commissioned to provide a 'horse bus' to operate between Seahouses and Bamburgh Castle twice each day, until September 1900 when this official arrangement ended. From then it ran privately until 1905 when it was replaced by a 'motor car', probably the one in the photo. -- Four of our experts firmly agree that this is a  cca 1900  Daimler 12 HP  Wagonette ,  but registration is 1905.

1900 Daimler 12HP Wagonette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1901 Panhard & Levassor  7hp
Photo
received from Ranald McCallum, Denbighshirec (UK) saying that this photo was was found by his neighbour, belived taken about 1900, at the front door of his home near Ruthin in Denbighshire. Can you identify the car? Any guidance will be much appreciated.  -- Not a good clear picture but identified by John Warburton, and confirmed by Rory Sinclair, this car is a French Paris built cca 1901 Panhard & Levassor 7HP twin cylinder Rear Entrance Tonneau.  - Still making armoured cars!

1901 Panhard & Levassor  7hp Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Sunbeam 12'16 Tourer
Photograph posted on the PreWarCar website
showing a car owned by Grandfather around 1919 (he and Granny in the back). Father sits in front next to the Mill Mechanic/Boilerman who was tasked by Grandfather to act as family chauffeur. Grandpa bought his first car in 1912, crashed it on its first journey, and never drove again. -- No registration visible to help with dating but at least three of our experts agree this is a  cca 1912 Sunbeam 12'16 Tourer with a non factory body.

1912 Sunbeam 12'16 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Arrol Johnson 11.9 Coupe
A couple of photos
received from Andrew Goodenough of St Briavels (UK) which were sepia Post Cards of possibly amateur production, found with the effects of Clifford Tyler, his wife's uncle. Photos were of significance to him, but people are not known to the family and the location remains a puzzle, possibly Bristol. Looking at our site, is this a Renault? -- Good try but no. Has scuttle bonnet but this is a Scottish car made in Dumfies,  a  cca  1913  Arrol  Johnson  11.9 Landaulette  Coupe.

1913 Arrol Johnson 11.9 Landaulette Coupe

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Monarch 16 Touring
Another lovely photo submitted to the AACA and posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden) asking for ID. Discussions if it may be an American  Franklin or a French Renault.
  -- No, this turned out to be much more obscure! Seems to be a cca 1914 Monarch 16 Touring made in Detroit, Michigan, between 1913 -16, designed by R C Hupp (later of Hupmobile and RCH) who also designed a V8 and V12. However went bust 1916 and bought by Carter Bros who made these under  CB  name,  just one year.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Thornycroft Lorries
Photo
received from Maurice Robinson  (UK) saying he understands we may be able to identify the vehicles in the attached photo. It is believed that the man on the left is his grandfather and appears to be set in a brewery, thought to be Ishwood Foster & Stacey, Maidstone, Kent. Do records still exist that would have details of the owners? -- Registration AA was issued by Southampton County Council. First thought Commer, but advised by Peter Daniels that these are  c.1913 Thornycroft Lorries.

1913 Thornycrof Lorries

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1916 Ford Model T Touring
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in the British TV series "Downton Abbey"  made in 2013 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. A saga of the Earl of Grantham and the Crawley family/servants.  --  Numberplate shown seems still to be in use on a Model T Ford registered in 1919, which is very strange because this one has a rectangular bonnet. Rounded bonnets came in 1916. This and other pointers suggest car on photo is early c1916 Ford Model T Touring.

1916 Ford Model T Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Calthorpe 10.5 Drophead
Unusual car being investigated by AutoPuzzles. -- Initially investigated by us in 2007, this photo is on the internet with differing descriptions. Four x four louvers on bonnet suggest pre 1919/20 and a 10 hp four. After '21 lots of thin louvers and more wheel studs. Three studs also suggest pre 1919/20 as does the curved back to a square dickey. Calthorpe recommenced production after WW1 in 1919 with a new 10.5 so this is likely cca 1920 Calthorpe 10.5 with a  Mulliner Drophead body.

1920 Calthorpe 10.5 Two-Seater Drophead

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Ley T6 6'16 Dreisitzer
Another lovely photo submitted to the AACA and posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden) asking for ID. He thought it may be a Steiger 1910-1915 because of the radiator shape, but Steiger cars had wire wheels and were bigger than this one.
  -- This enquiry has taken much longer to solve because of the very unusual make. Not a Steiger but I am positive this is a German cca 1922 Ley Type T6 6'16 Dreisitzer Offen. Most things match except spokes, pic has 10  but later Ley cars had 12. 

1922 Ley Type T6 6'16 Dreisitzer Offen

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Morris Cowley Two-Seater
Another
photo received from Jerry Burley (UK) saying this is again from a box of old family photos found during a clearout. Exact year and location unknown but showing Vernon and his Great-Grandmother Clark. Interesting to speculate how a Clark managed to infiltrate the Burley defences! -- We have slightly enhanced the photo. No registration number to help in dating the car, which is a Bullnose Morris. From the 'Three Light Set ' we can deduce a cca 1922 Cowley Two-Seater/Dickey. 

1922 Morris Cowley Two-Seater & Dickey

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Salmson Grand Sport
Photo
received from Andrew Rusack (UK) asking if we might be able to identify this interesting car taken during the 1931 flood in Haddinton near Edinburgh at the foot of the High Street looking towards the Town Clock. -- Very positive identification from Mike Clark, who has the make, that this is the French cca 1924 Salmson Grand Sport Twin Cam. Salmson in Billancourt stated by making British GN cars under licence in 1919. Were already into aero engines/aircraft by 1908. Lasted to 1957.

1924 Salmson_Grand Sport Twin Cam

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:  1924 Austro Daimler 617 Tourenwagen
Photo
received from Peter Solmssen (USA) saying that his cousin, at the wheel, in this photo of the 1930 Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo, drove Mercedes and Bugatti cars, but this does not appear to be either (Mercedes was left-hand drive by then). Please note distinctive fenders. Thanks for any help. -- Distinctive radiator advises this is a cca 1923/4 Austro Daimler 6-17 Tourenwagen. Mudguard shape suggests period. The rad shape changed in 1927,  so would not be later than that. 

1924 Austro Daimler 6-17 Tourenwagen

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Opel 10'40 Tourenwagen
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hoto received from Simon Kneer (Germany) of great grandfather's car which grandma told him was the first car around her hometown. Grandfather made fortune in weaving frames, and died around 1935. Nobody in family can remember make of car and internet searches have not been successful. -- The script logo on the radiator says Opel and the white diamond badge confirms it. Large car at the introduction of the small Laubfrosch. Probably the cca1926 Opel 10'40 Tourenwagen.

1926 Opel 10'40PS Tourenwagen

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Hotchkiss AM Coupe de Ville
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in the French film "Circonstances atténuantes"  made in 1939 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. A saga of a recently retired lawyer going on holiday with his wife and getting mixed up with a gang of crooks.  --  This is a French car made in Paris with a crossed cannons logo, by an arms manufacturer who also had a works in England. Single model policy 1923 - 29.  This is a lovely  cca 1926 Hotchkiss AM Coupe de Ville.

1926 Hotchkiss AM Coupe de Ville

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Mercedes 33'180 Test Car
Fuzzy photos
received from Peter Garman, (New Zealand) saying that this is grandfather Henry Frederick Garman, a driver/mechanic for Mercedes and Mercedes Benz from the end of WW1 to about 1933. The Brooklands Certificate was with the photos. Are they linked? -- Our experts confirm that certificates for September 1926 includes three (2142/2144) issued to "F. Iorman" with a 33/180 Mercedes, a misspelling. F Garman was certainly a tester for British Mercedes-Benz.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 D'Yrsan Model K Sports Racer
Unusual car being investigated by AutoPuzzles. -- Well known in the French three-wheeler circles, and recognisable by the large 'Y' on the radiator, this is a four-wheeled cca 1928 D'Yrsan Model K Sports Racer. Manufactued in Asnieres, north Paris, they competed with Darmont and Sandford three-wheelers, based on the British Morgan. Marquis Raymon Siran de Cavanc had worked for Sandford. Only 50 four-wheelers were manufactured compared with 530 three-wheelers between 1923 - 1930.

1928 D'Yrsan Model K Sports_Racer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 Daimler 20'70 Saloon
Photo
received from Adrian Ballard (UK) which he has inherited, and is trying to identify the make/model and date of the car. Can we help? He believes the picture is of one of his Ballard ancestors and he assumes the car will be dated during the 1920's and taken in England? Please feel free to use the information if it will benefit others. -- Must be quite rich relatives because this is a cca 1929 Daimler 20'70 Saloon 'for the well heeled family motorist'. 1926/30;  2650cc, capable 60 mph and 20 mpg.

1929 Daimler 20'70 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1930 Riley Nine Monaco Saloon
A couple of photos
received from Erik Mannings, RAF 72 Sqn Historian, (UK) which comes from a 1941/42 album that belonged to a young RAF pilot Sgt Geoff Booth of Leeds, who was killed in late 1943 aged 23. This belonged to one of his best friends. Erik is investigating Geoff Booth's life on behalf of the squadron. -- 72 Squadron was a Spitfire unit which was supporting British troops in Italy 1943. Reg GC 721 was  London CC and the car is a cca 1930 Riley Nine Monaco Saloon, with blackout lights.

1930 Riley Nine Monaco Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Oldsmobile Six Sedan
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in an American TV film sitcom " Ground Floor " made in 2013 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. A comedy about a young successful banker who falls for a woman who works in his building's maintenance department.  --  Interesting to note on the Champs-Elysees in Paris a very American car which is a cca 1932 Oldsmobile Six Sedan recognisable from the twin curved headlamp support bars.  Behind is a cca 1930 Citroen C4 Saloon.

1932 Oldsmobile Six Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934 Citroen 22CV 'Super Traction'
Photo
of a painting received from our member Nick Woolett (UK) saying he saw it at the Midland Air Museum at Coventry Airport, and wondered what the car was? -- The chevrons on the rad identify it obviously as a Citroen, but what model?? It was a Paris Salon prototype 1934 Citroen 22CV 'Super Traction' Decapotable Cabriolet, a Traction Avant fitted with a V8 engine of 3.8L and capable of 140KPH (87mph). Number of prototypes were constructed on  11CV  chassis but none have survived. 

1934 Citroen 22CV 'Super Traction' Decapotable

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1935 Morris 15cwt Streamline
Photo
of a painting received from our member Nick Woolett (UK) saying he saw it at the Midland Air Museum at Coventry Airport, and wondered what the vehicle was? -- The vehicle was a part of a fleet of blue Morris 15cwt vans introduced in 1930 by the Royal Mail to advertise the new Air Mail Service which used blue post boxes. This 'Streamline' shape was a one-off designed by Maurice Lambert  in 1935. We had a photo of same vehicle for identification in 2008, see Help Page 17 for the details.

1935 Morris 15cwt Streamline Publicity Van

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1936 Austin 10 Sherbourne Saloon
Rather blurred small section of a bigger photo
received from David Brown  (UK) asking if we might be able to identify his Grandfathers car from the 1950s. They are all at a loss. -- Our Austin man John Caddy confirmed that this is a cca 1936/7 Austin 10 Sherbourne Saloon. Austin 10 was introduced 1932, between the 7 & 12, with Colwyn, Sherbourne, Cambridge and Conway. Pity photo shows details common to all the 35 to 40 models, -  but does not show any of the distinguishing differences.

1936 Austin 10 Sherbourne Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Ford Model Y Fordor Saloon
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hoto received from Erik Mannings, RAF 72 Sqn Historian, (UK) which comes from a 1941/42 album that belonged to a young RAF pilot Sgt Geoff Booth of Leeds, who was killed in late 1943 aged 23. Erik is investigating Geoff Booth's life history on behalf of the squadron. -- 72 Squadron was a fighter unit which was supporting British troops in Italy in 1943. Reg ATR 141 was a Southampton CBC issue and the car is a British built  cca 1937 Ford Model  Y  Fordor Saloon,  with blackout lights.

1937 Ford Model Y Fordor Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Dodge D6 Sedan
Photo
received from Rick Erdelac (Canada) saying that this photo was taken in New Zealand by his uncle. The car is in New Zealand.  Any help would be appreciated. -- The car is a Chrysler Corporation product being a Dodge. As this is in New Zealand and as it seems to have right hand drive, it is most probably the export model, therefore a cca 1937 Dodge D6 Sedan. Based on the Plymouth P1/2, these were built in Detroit Michigan, for export,  and in Windsor, Ontaro, for the Canadian market.

1936 Dodge D4 Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown Headlamps
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hoto received from Ann Blake (UK) saying it has been suggested that our site could identify which car for these headlights. They are Lucas, King of the road, large and in pretty good condition. Hoping you may be able to advise on the best way to sell them. -- Standard fitting on a number of cars. First thought is mid/late fourties big Austin, the stepped bezels look modernish. A headlamp restorer may know. Ebay could be a good place to sell them, or headlamp man, or a vintage mag.

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