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The SVVS Website currently receives
approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,
cars are in year order:
Page 66 below relates to enquiries received
during
2014 Click
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1900
Daimler 12 HP Wagonette
A lovely period photo
received from John Archbold (UK) whose Great-Grandmother, Mrs Cuthbertson, was commissioned
to provide a 'horse bus' to operate between Seahouses and Bamburgh
Castle twice each day, until September 1900 when this official
arrangement ended. From then it ran privately until 1905 when it was
replaced by a 'motor car', probably the one in the photo. -- Four
of our experts firmly agree that this is a cca
1900 Daimler 12 HP Wagonette
, but registration is 1905.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1901
Panhard & Levassor 7hp
Photo
received from Ranald McCallum, Denbighshirec
(UK)
saying that this photo was was found by his neighbour, belived taken
about 1900, at the front door of his home near Ruthin in Denbighshire.
Can you identify the car? Any guidance will be much appreciated.
-- Not a
good clear picture but identified by John Warburton, and confirmed by
Rory Sinclair, this car is a French Paris built cca 1901
Panhard & Levassor 7HP twin
cylinder Rear Entrance Tonneau. - Still making armoured cars!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Sunbeam 12'16 Tourer
Photograph posted on the PreWarCar website
showing a car owned by Grandfather around 1919 (he and
Granny in the back). Father sits in front next to the Mill Mechanic/Boilerman
who was tasked by Grandfather to act as family chauffeur. Grandpa
bought his first car in 1912, crashed it on its first journey, and
never drove again. -- No
registration visible to help with dating but at least three of our
experts agree this is a cca
1912 Sunbeam 12'16 Tourer with a non
factory body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Arrol Johnson 11.9 Coupe
A couple of photos
received from Andrew Goodenough of St Briavels (UK)
which were sepia Post Cards of
possibly amateur production, found with the effects of Clifford Tyler,
his wife's uncle. Photos were of significance to him, but people are
not known to the family and the location remains a puzzle, possibly
Bristol. Looking at our site, is this a Renault? -- Good
try but no. Has scuttle bonnet but this is a Scottish car made in
Dumfies, a cca
1913 Arrol Johnson 11.9 Landaulette Coupe.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914
Monarch 16 Touring
Another lovely photo submitted to the AACA and posted by Leif
Holmberg (Sweden) asking for ID.
Discussions if it may be an American Franklin or a French
Renault. -- No,
this turned out to be much more obscure! Seems to be a cca
1914 Monarch 16 Touring made in Detroit,
Michigan, between 1913 -16, designed by R C Hupp (later of Hupmobile
and RCH) who also designed a V8 and V12. However went bust 1916 and bought
by Carter Bros who made these under CB name, just one
year.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Thornycroft Lorries
Photo
received from Maurice Robinson
(UK) saying
he understands we may be able to identify the vehicles in the
attached photo. It is believed that the man on the left is his
grandfather and appears to be set in a brewery, thought to be Ishwood
Foster & Stacey, Maidstone, Kent. Do records still exist that would
have details of the owners? -- Registration
AA was issued by Southampton County Council. First thought Commer, but
advised by Peter Daniels that these are c.1913
Thornycroft Lorries.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1916
Ford Model T Touring
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in
the British TV series "Downton Abbey" made in 2013 where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. A saga of the Earl of Grantham and the Crawley
family/servants. --
Numberplate shown seems still to be in use on a Model T Ford registered
in 1919, which is very strange because this one has a rectangular
bonnet. Rounded bonnets came in 1916. This and other pointers suggest
car on photo is early c1916
Ford Model T Touring.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920
Calthorpe 10.5 Drophead
Unusual car being investigated by
AutoPuzzles. -- Initially
investigated by us in 2007, this
photo is on the internet with differing descriptions. Four x four louvers on bonnet suggest pre
1919/20 and a 10 hp four. After '21 lots of thin louvers and
more wheel studs. Three studs also suggest pre 1919/20 as does the
curved back to a square dickey. Calthorpe recommenced production after
WW1 in 1919 with a new 10.5 so this is likely cca 1920 Calthorpe 10.5 with a Mulliner Drophead
body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922
Ley T6 6'16 Dreisitzer
Another lovely photo submitted to the AACA and posted by Leif
Holmberg (Sweden) asking for ID. He
thought it may be a Steiger 1910-1915 because of the radiator shape,
but Steiger cars had wire wheels and were bigger than this one.
-- This
enquiry has taken much longer to solve because of the very unusual
make. Not a Steiger but I am positive this is a German cca
1922 Ley Type T6 6'16 Dreisitzer Offen.
Most things match except spokes, pic has 10 but later Ley cars
had 12.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Morris Cowley
Two-Seater
Another photo
received from Jerry Burley (UK)
saying this is again from a box of old family photos found during a
clearout. Exact year and location unknown but showing Vernon and his
Great-Grandmother Clark. Interesting to speculate how a Clark managed
to infiltrate the Burley defences! -- We
have slightly enhanced the photo. No registration number to help in
dating the car, which is a Bullnose Morris. From the 'Three Light Set '
we can deduce a cca 1922 Cowley Two-Seater/Dickey.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924
Salmson Grand Sport
Photo
received from Andrew Rusack
(UK) asking if
we might be able to identify this interesting car taken during the 1931
flood in Haddinton near Edinburgh at the foot of the High Street
looking towards the Town Clock. -- Very
positive identification from Mike Clark, who has the make, that this is
the French cca
1924 Salmson Grand Sport Twin Cam.
Salmson in Billancourt stated by making British GN cars under licence
in 1919. Were already into aero engines/aircraft by 1908. Lasted to
1957.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1924 Austro Daimler 617 Tourenwagen
Photo
received from Peter Solmssen (USA)
saying that his cousin, at the wheel, in this photo of the 1930 Rallye
Automobile Monte Carlo, drove Mercedes and Bugatti cars, but this does
not appear to be either (Mercedes was left-hand drive by then). Please
note distinctive fenders. Thanks for any help. -- Distinctive
radiator advises this is a cca
1923/4 Austro Daimler 6-17 Tourenwagen.
Mudguard shape suggests period. The rad shape changed in 1927, so
would not be later than that.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926
Opel 10'40 Tourenwagen
Photo
received from Simon Kneer (Germany)
of great
grandfather's car which grandma told him was the first car around her
hometown. Grandfather made fortune in weaving frames, and died around
1935. Nobody in family can remember make of car and internet searches
have not been successful. -- The
script logo on the radiator says Opel and the white diamond badge
confirms it. Large car at the introduction of the small Laubfrosch.
Probably the cca1926
Opel 10'40 Tourenwagen.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926
Hotchkiss AM Coupe de Ville
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in
the French film "Circonstances atténuantes" made in
1939 where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. A saga of a recently retired lawyer going on holiday with
his wife and getting mixed up with a gang of crooks. --
This is a French car made in Paris with a crossed cannons logo, by an
arms manufacturer who also had a works in England. Single model policy
1923 - 29. This is a lovely cca
1926 Hotchkiss AM Coupe de Ville.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926
Mercedes 33'180 Test Car
Fuzzy photos
received from Peter Garman, (New Zealand)
saying that this is grandfather Henry Frederick Garman, a
driver/mechanic for Mercedes and Mercedes Benz from the end of WW1 to
about 1933. The Brooklands Certificate was with the photos. Are they
linked? -- Our
experts confirm that certificates for September 1926 includes three
(2142/2144) issued to "F. Iorman" with a 33/180
Mercedes, a misspelling. F Garman was
certainly a tester for British Mercedes-Benz.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 D'Yrsan Model K
Sports Racer
Unusual car being investigated by
AutoPuzzles. -- Well
known in the French three-wheeler circles, and recognisable by the
large 'Y' on the radiator, this is a four-wheeled cca
1928 D'Yrsan Model K Sports Racer.
Manufactued in Asnieres, north Paris, they competed with Darmont and
Sandford three-wheelers, based on the British Morgan. Marquis Raymon
Siran de Cavanc had worked for Sandford. Only 50 four-wheelers were
manufactured compared with 530 three-wheelers between 1923 - 1930.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929
Daimler 20'70 Saloon
Photo
received from Adrian Ballard (UK)
which he has inherited, and is trying to identify the make/model
and date of the car. Can we help? He believes the picture is of one of
his Ballard ancestors and he assumes the car will be dated during the
1920's and taken in England? Please feel free to use the information if
it will benefit others. -- Must
be quite rich relatives because this is a cca
1929 Daimler 20'70 Saloon 'for the
well heeled family motorist'. 1926/30; 2650cc, capable 60 mph and
20 mpg.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1930
Riley Nine Monaco Saloon
A couple of photos
received from Erik Mannings, RAF 72 Sqn Historian, (UK)
which comes from a 1941/42 album that
belonged to a young RAF pilot Sgt Geoff Booth of Leeds, who was killed
in late 1943 aged 23. This belonged to one of his best friends. Erik is
investigating Geoff Booth's life on behalf of the squadron. -- 72
Squadron was a Spitfire unit which was supporting British troops in
Italy 1943. Reg GC 721 was London CC and the car is a cca
1930 Riley Nine Monaco Saloon, with
blackout lights.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Oldsmobile Six Sedan
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in an
American TV film sitcom " Ground Floor " made in 2013 where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. A comedy about a young successful banker who falls for a
woman who works in his building's maintenance department. --
Interesting to note on the Champs-Elysees in Paris a very American car
which is a cca 1932 Oldsmobile Six Sedan recognisable from the twin
curved headlamp support bars. Behind is a cca 1930 Citroen C4
Saloon.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934
Citroen 22CV 'Super Traction'
Photo
of a painting
received from our member Nick Woolett (UK)
saying
he saw it at the Midland Air Museum at Coventry Airport, and wondered
what the car was? --
The chevrons on the rad identify it obviously as a Citroen, but what
model?? It was a Paris Salon prototype 1934 Citroen 22CV 'Super
Traction' Decapotable Cabriolet, a Traction Avant fitted with a V8
engine of 3.8L and capable of 140KPH (87mph). Number of prototypes were
constructed on 11CV chassis but none have survived.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1935
Morris 15cwt Streamline
Photo
of a painting received from our member Nick Woolett (UK)
saying
he saw it at the Midland Air Museum at Coventry Airport, and wondered
what the vehicle was? --
The vehicle was a part of a fleet of blue Morris
15cwt vans introduced in 1930 by the
Royal Mail to advertise the new Air Mail Service which used blue post
boxes. This 'Streamline' shape was a one-off designed by Maurice
Lambert in 1935. We had a photo of same vehicle for
identification in 2008, see Help
Page 17 for the details.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1936
Austin 10 Sherbourne Saloon
Rather blurred small section of a bigger
photo
received from David Brown (UK) asking
if
we might be able to identify his Grandfathers car from the
1950s. They are all at a loss. -- Our
Austin man John Caddy confirmed that this is a cca
1936/7 Austin 10 Sherbourne Saloon.
Austin 10 was introduced 1932, between the 7 & 12, with Colwyn,
Sherbourne, Cambridge and Conway. Pity photo shows details common to
all the 35 to 40 models, - but does not show any of the
distinguishing differences.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Ford Model Y Fordor Saloon
Photo
received from Erik Mannings, RAF 72 Sqn Historian, (UK)
which comes from a 1941/42 album that
belonged to a young RAF pilot Sgt Geoff Booth of Leeds, who was killed
in late 1943 aged 23. Erik is investigating Geoff Booth's life history
on behalf of the squadron. -- 72
Squadron was a fighter unit which was supporting British troops in
Italy in 1943. Reg ATR 141 was a Southampton CBC issue and the car is a
British built cca
1937 Ford Model Y Fordor Saloon,
with blackout lights.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937
Dodge D6 Sedan
Photo
received from Rick Erdelac (Canada)
saying that this photo was taken in New Zealand by his uncle. The car is
in New Zealand. Any help would be appreciated. -- The
car is a Chrysler Corporation product being a Dodge. As this is in New
Zealand and as it seems to have right hand drive, it is most probably
the export model, therefore a cca
1937 Dodge D6 Sedan. Based on the
Plymouth P1/2, these were built in Detroit Michigan, for export,
and in Windsor, Ontaro, for the Canadian market.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown
Headlamps
Photo
received from Ann Blake (UK)
saying it has been suggested that our site could identify which
car for these headlights. They are Lucas, King of the road, large and
in pretty good condition. Hoping you may be able to advise on the best
way to sell them. -- Standard
fitting on a number of cars. First
thought is mid/late fourties big Austin, the stepped bezels look
modernish. A headlamp restorer may know. Ebay could be a good place to
sell them, or headlamp man, or a vintage mag.
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APPRECIATED
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