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The SVVS Website currently receives
approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,
cars are in year order:
Page 53 below relates to enquiries received
during
2013 Click
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1906
Napier L76 Touring Car
Another fascinating photo received from Joao Ferreira
(Portugal)
which shows the King of Portugal D. Carlos I, at the wheel of his new
car. Not known if he learned how to drive but his younger brother
Prince Afonso was an enthusiastic driver. Royal Palace had a preference
for Fiats. -- Not
Fiat, radiator cap looks Napier. Napier specialists
Derek Grossmark and David Venables confirmed cca
1906 Napier L76 Touring Car, 6 cyl, 5,161cc.
99 examples were built 1905-1910. Chain drive was optional.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1906
American Mors Tourer
Two photos received from Benjamin W.
Bolger, History Teacher, Livingston High School,Thomas Edison National
Historical Park, in West Orange New Jersey (USA)
taken about 1908. Is it a White or Mors? He also had a Studebaker, a
Lansden, a Grout, and a Pan-American --
Not a White. We think photos are of the same car separated by a couple of years, and a re-build/paint. This could well be a USA built
cca 1906 American Mors made under licence by the St.
Louis Car Co. in Missouri.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1907
De Dion Bouton AU Tonneau
Another fascinating photo received from Joao Ferreira
(Portugal)
of a "mystery car". The legend on this photo mentioned that
this is the car from the newspaper "O Século" that covered
the "Raid Hípico" (horse race) of 1907. I suppose the car is
a De Dion Bouton? -- Sure
is. My thoughts were that it was a cca 1906 Rear Entrance Tonneau and
Rory Sinclair confirmed it is cca
1907
De Dion Bouton Type AU, with a single
cylinder 8HP engine and with the standard rear entrance tonneau body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1908
Florentia 40'50 Tourer
Another fascinating photo received from Joao Ferreira
(Portugal). The
legend on this photo says this is a Florência 40/50 hp belonging to
the Visconde de Sacavém, one of the motoring pioneers in Portugal. --
Could not find any reference to Florência
but there was a company in Florence, Italy, called FLORENTIA,
1903 - 1912. In 1905 they took on the Rochet Schneider licence (France)
and in 1907 they started making the 40/50. These cars were also
exported to UK, and cost £880 in 1908.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1910
Selden Model 35 Tourer
Two photos received from Terje Pedersen (Norway)
taken in the USA, Arlington, Massachusetts in July 1910 and June 1913.
Drivers are his grand uncle Thorleif Sverre Cooke and his sister
Hjørdis Pedersen. Thorleif was adopted by the widow Mary Jane Cooke
from Cambridge Massachusetts, back right, who left him a fortune. --
American car with distinctive humped bonnet and equally distinctive
letter 'S' on the rad, with driver's door, together spell a
cca
1910 Selden Model 35 Touring.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Brennabor Model C
Two-seater
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a German 2013 television drama series "Das Adlon:
Ein Hotel. Zwei Familien. Drei Schicksale" where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. --
Brennanbor was an 1871 German manufacturer of prams and bicycles, then
motorcycles and later cars in Brandenburg. By 1908 they had their own
racing team. In the 1920s it was the largest manufacturer of cars in
Germany. By 1945 the company ended up closing in the
Soviet Zone.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Dealage AE Tourer
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in 1987 Bernardo Bertolucci's epic 1987 film "The
Last Emperor" where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB.
Story depicts the life of Aisin-Gioro Pu Yi, the last of the
Emperors of the Ching Dynasty of China. --
From the double section bulkhead and two filler caps on the more forward
bulkhead which has a shallow slope, sideskirts and with gas lighting, this
car is French and made near Paris, being a
cca 1913 Delage AE Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Clement Bayard Landaulette
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a BBC documentary series made in 2008 "The
Maharajas' Motor Car: The Story of Rolls-Royce in India" where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. The car was named as a Renault. --
Although this does have a bulkhead mounted radiator it does also have
quite visible the figure of Chevalier Pierre Terrail, seigneur de
Bayard, on the front of the bonnet. This is the logo of a cca 1913
Clement Bayard, possibly a partitioned
Landaulette.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1916 Ford Model T Speedster Special
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a French documentary series made in 1996 "Les
avions de la première guerre mondiale 1917-1918" where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. --
Although this car looks quite exotic it is actually one of the world's
most popular cars with a different front; a Special. The transverse
spring is the giveaway and if the rounded bonnet and electric lighting
are a guide, - a cca1916 Ford Model T Speedster
Special.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1917
Maxwell 25 Touring
Another photo from Tom Cosens (UK)
who says they are poscard curiosities
needing identification. Apparently judging from the back of the card,
this could be American. --
Sure is. Striking 'widow's peak' type of radiator helps to limit the
choice. This type of rad was used for a short time by the Maxwell Motor
Comany which was at that time in the top three of US car manufacturers.
This is a cca
1917 Maxwell 25 Touring. Shortly
after, Walter Chrysler took over and became Chysler.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1921
Calthorpe Minor Two-seater
Another car from a batch of photos received from
Philip Degen (UK) who
has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife
has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are
trying to trace who they were. --
Very fuzzy small pictures taken at a very difficuly angle and with the
door open. Not at all easy to see, let alone identify. Nevertheless, we
feel this could be a cca
1921 Calthorpe Minor
10HP Two-seater with a Landaulette body/roof and Dickey
Seat.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1921 FN 16HP Tourer
From a batch of photos received from
Philip Degen (UK) who
has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife
has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are
trying to trace who they were. --
Very unusual car and not easy to identify. No registration visible to
help with dating but our John Warburton is relatively sure this is a
cca 1921 FN 16HP Tourer. Belgian car probably purchased
through F N (England) Ltd located in Willesden,
W. London.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1922 Chandler Six Dispatch
Photo posted on the Prewarcar website by Neil
asking if anybody had an idea of what the car in this photo may be? The
man in the car was his great grandad. The photo could possibly be taken
in South Africa or Australia if that helps! --
Not really as neither country was big in car manufacturing. The photo
however is very helpful because when enlarged and enhanced the kick
plates on the side car and wheels have a logo which advises this is an
American cca1922 Chandler Six
Dispatch.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1923
Willys Knight 64 Sedan
Interesting photo received from Rosalind
Govett (UK)
Eastbourne 1927, top right Mother and middle Grandmother. --
The logo on the rear wheel is quite clear indicating a stylised WK.
This is a cca
1923 Willys Knight Model 64 Five Person Sedan.
Willys Knight cars were introduced in 1914 and in 1916 made more than
any car in the world. Eventually 330,000 were produced. The
'Knight' comes from the unusual licensed sleeve valve engine also used
by Daimler, Mercedes, Voisin, Stearns & others.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1923 Peugeot Quadrilette Two-seater
Photo posted on the Prewarcar website by Alain
Labaume saying 'Hello, here a foto with grand aunt and uncle probably
in Paris 1922. Type of this small car? --
Very small car produced in France between 1921 and 1924. Earlier
models, the 161, had tandem one-behind-the other seating, whereas this,
being a cca 1923 Peugeot Quadrilette 172 Two Seater
Torpedo, had
staggered side by side seating. Car had rounded mudguards rather than
flat ribbed, and had a gas generator and lamps.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1924
Austro Daimler Tulip Phaeton
Photo posted on the Prewarcar website by
Nicholas van Dijk asking for identification. This picture was taken in
1916 on the road from Porta Westfalica to Bad Pyrmont in Germany. --
I think the photo may have been mis-dated, hence has remained
unidentified, because this looks very much like a cca
1924 Austro Daimler Tulip Bodied Phaeton,
could be a 60HP. Austro Daimler was by that time independant of Daimler
Germany, and had Ferdinand Porsche as technical brains.
Closed 1934.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1926
Morris Cowley Occasional Four
Another from a lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
It is nice to receive a picture of a
British car amongst the many Americans. Our Peter Seymour/Chas Moody
confirm this is a Morris Bullnose, specifically a cca
1926 Morris Cowley Occasional Four ('Chummy'
if Morris made body). Rear seats are small hinged, facing inwards, and
are best suited for a couple of kids or good luggage space.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1926
Ford Model T Fordor Sedan
Interesting photo received from Tim Gell (France).
His aunt lived for 10 years on an island off Toulon called Isle du
Levant but is not the lady in the photo. The chap was Marcel Lassalle
who was the local taxi driver/builder/handyman and became aunt's
companion until he died in WWll. A cousin advises possibly the only car
on the island and possibly Renault. --
Transverse spring, polished rad, and
four doors says cca
1926 Ford Model T Fordor Sedan.
Model T production finished in 1927.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1928 Buick Standard Six Sedan
Couple of photos received from Adrian
Pascu-Tulbure (UK)
relating to a blog on historic cars of Romania. Numberplate of the
newer car is same as the old one. Numbers were given to owners not
cars. Low-numbered plate owners could pride themselves on having been
very early vehicle owners. -- This
back end shot would have been quite difficult to identify had it not
been for the single rear lamp in the centre which has a distinctive
'widows peak' on top lense saying c1928
Buick Standard Six.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1933
Hotchkiss 412 Cabourg Berline
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a French film made in 1988 "Une Affaire de Femme"
(A Story of Women) where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. Action takes place during WW2. --
The car seems to be carrying a Gas Generator on the back which would be
providing gas from wood being burnt. This looks like a dummy for film as
there are now pictures of the same 1933
Hotchkiss 412 Cabourg Berline, with the same flashing indicators (??!!),
without it.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1933
Talbot Fulgur ME75 Berline
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a Dutch TV Mini Series made in 1990 "De Brug" where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. Action takes place just before WW2. --
This is one of those 'easy when you know' identifications after much
laborious searching recently on the same model of car, as onnear bottom
of page
50. This is a cca
1933 Talbot Fulgur Model ME 75 Berline.
The Fulgur was the top of range of Talbot France cars,
prior to takeover by Tony Lago.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1935
Hotchkiss 411 Cabourg Berline
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a Dutch TV Mini Series made in 1990 "De Brug" where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. Action takes place just before WW2. --
The badge on the radiator is quite clear so this is a cca
1935 Hotchkiss 411 Cabourg Berline.
Hotchkiss was a French arms manufacturer who made cars 1903 to 1955.
Merged with Delahaye 1954. Cars stopped 1955, then built Jeep. Military
vehicles/trucks were made as recently as 1971.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1925 French Tourer
Blurry small photo received from John
Gibbons (UK) taken in 1929. His
wife's mother and aunt were on a pilgrimage to Lourdes.--
Picture is too blurry to provide
accuracy in identification. We asked for photo at BEST RESOLUTION
possible, as it is the detail that provides the
identification. Regretfully we received no answer. This could be one of
a number of French quality Tourers with pointy rads and two-section cab
including La Buire, Unic, Alba, Delahaye, Panhard, Rolland Pillain,
Delaunay, DFP... .
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1920s American Tourer
Rather fuzzy photo received from Dan
Gillitzer (USA) taken in USA, which
he is trying to identify. He feels it may be a 1920 Studebaker. --
I too felt this was a
Studebaker but our friends at the AACA
are relatively sure it is not. Period ones had suicide front doors.
Thoughts that mudguards with edges date it to cca 1918/19. Hubs may
have a W on them. Wheelstuds more on front than back? Various names
have been foward including Buick, Wescott and Commonwealth.
Unresolved!
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Unknown
Competitions Car
Fascinating photo received from Martina
Dei (Italy)
from the archives of Count Silvio Piccolomini of Pienza (Siena,
Italy). The photo was taken probably in 1914/15 in Rome. Can we help in
identifying the car. --
Not a good start to the new year. The logo is tantalizingly too blurred
even on the original to make out. Very unusual rear suspension. Gas
lights reversed during day. Shape of the rad is generally common to
Italian cars ( Fiat, Alfa,
CMN ...). Bit big for a Temperino. Any ideas anyone ??
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