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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1901 Napier 50HP 16 litre 'Monster'
Photo received from Alec Stevenson (UK) labelled "EDGE ON (70H.P.) NAPIER", and was puzzled as to what it meant, from a box marked "Hill Climb Wrotham". Do we have any info on Wrotham.  -- We have not been able to find anything specific on Wrotham, but the general area is full of hillclimb venues including Vigo Hill. Our Experts think the car is the 1901 Napier 50HP 16 litre 'Monster' and S F Edge was second on a 50hp Napier at  Tilburstowe  Hillclimb  near Godstone on 15th June 1901.

1901 Napier 50HP 16 litre 'Monster'

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1901 Boyer Rear Entrance Tonneau
Lovely  photograph received from
Peter Young (Australia) from an album from his father. Believed taken in London. He thinks it may be the Colman family (Colman's Mustard). Could it be a De Dion Bouton, the bonnet is a short?  -- This enquiry has taken quite some time to resolve because it is not one of the more common makes. According to our Ariejan Boss, French cca 1901 Boyer Rear Entrance Tonneau, (sold in UK as York), probably Aster model,  which was 6.5HP single cylinder.

1901 Boyer Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1902 De Dion Bouton Type O Tonneau
Cinema screen grab from a French film "Trois Valses"  (Three Walses) made in 1938 where the cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Film is based on Oscar Straus operetta of 1935 and is takes place in three time periods and basically deals with fall of aristocracy and rise of filmstars. -- Car is French.  From the simple unframed rad with five separator brackets, seven louvres on side and four on front of the bonnet, all suggests a  cca 1902  De Dion Bouton  Type O  Rear  Entrance  Tonneau.

1902 De Dion Bouton Type O Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 Peugeot Swing Seat Tonneau
Glorious period photo received from Brian Flint, Cambridgeshire (UK) of Great Grandparents Thomas and Helen Marshall, with their 8 children. The little girl, Edna (8) rear seat nearest camera, remembers occasion and states the car is a Peugeot. Front door is not original and white line painted day before photo was taken in 1912, just off De Grey Street , Kingston upon Hull.  -- Yes, car is Peugeot and Reg seems AT 354 which is indeed K-u-H. So this is a cca 1904 Peugeot, and Swing Seat Tonneau.

1904 Peugeot Swing Seat Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Perhaps cca1904 Lacoste & Batmann
Photo received from Sarah McQueen (UK) who thinks this is a 1904 Lanchester with Ambrose Elson of the London Laundry, Coventry, his wife 'Daisy' (Esther) Blakemore daughter of Daniel Blakemore of Clarke, Cluley bicycle co. Is on left Frederick Lanchester's brother George?  -- All our experts seem to agree that this is not a Lanchester. A couple of our experts feel this has cca 1904 Lacoste et Battmann features or UK Speedwell version. Not aware of Lanchester connection.

cca1904 Lacoste & Batmann or derivative

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Darracq 14'16 Tourer
Lovely period photo spotted by Simon (UK) while visiting Penshurst Place, Kent. Can we identify car. Seems no info attached to the photo.   -- Yes, car is French, made by a bicycle maker who sold his Gladiator cycle company to Adolphe Clement, went on to make Millet motorcycles and Bollee designed tricars. Established companies in Spain and UK,  became major shareholder in Sunbeam Talbot Darracq, sold to Rootes in 1935. This is a cca 1909 Darracq 14'16 Tourer, then cost 225 Guineas.

1909 Darracq 14'16 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 SCAT 14'16 Tourer
Interesting photo sent to us by Wes Hughes (Australia) which
features his Grandfather (driver). Rear seat behind driver is Archbishop Clune (Perth Diocese, Western Australia) outside St. Mary's Church in Coolgardie, a remote mining town. Had a population of over 35,000 but  borderline ghost town now. Grandfather was in Europe for the duration of the WW1. --  Quite an unusual car made in Turin Italy but sold in colonies by Newton & Bennett in UK. This is cca 1913 SCAT 14'16 Tourer

1913 SCAT 14'16 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913 Sunbeam 16'20 Tourer
Photo found on the Brundall Archive website (UK) while trawling the internet on another subject. They were asking for identification of the vehicle.   -- Location is Brundall House used as a Hospital in WW1. Registration AH is Norfolk CC cca 1913.  The car is therefore pre WW1 and is a rather stunning cca 1913 Sunbeam Tourer, not the smaller 12'16, probaly the 16'20, and from length of bonnet, probably not the 25'30. It has a non standard factory body and replacement mudguards.

1913 Sunbeam 16'20 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917 Ford Model T Two-Door  Runabout
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) saying he is a collector of old photos and who has a website devoted to this subject at http://antique-photos.com/en/. Can we identify this American photo?
-- The car is a very popular American made in Detroit. The bonnet is rounded so post 1916, split upright windscreen smaller section top so post 1917, so we think a cca  1917'18 Ford  Model  T  Two-Door  Runabout, least costly  but priced from $345.

1917 Ford Model T Two-Door  Runabout

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1918 Ford Model T Touring
Another from a batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  Had some quite hard ones recently but this is one is relatively easy. Car is decorated with flowers so looks as if they are at a wedding. The car was made in Detroit America. Rounded scuttle shape post 1916 and wheels not  demountable so pre  1919.  This is a  cca 1918 Ford Model T Touring.

1918 Ford Model T Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Lexington Minute Man Six Touring
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) saying he is a collector of old photos and who has a website devoted to this subject at http://antique-photos.com/en/. Can we identify this American photo?
-- Unusual American recognisable from the badge which seems to have the left top corner missing and which has deeply indented hex wheel hubs. This is a cca 1920 Lexington Minute Man Six Touring, an assembled car made '10-27 in Connersville, Indiana.

1920 Lexington Minute Man Six Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Oldsmobile 30 Four-Door Touring
Another from a batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? -- Gorgeous photo showing period rural Romania and chaps who knew how to do a head off de-coke. The car was made in Detroit America. Fancy scrolled shape of the radiator top and scalloped bonnet puts this into the 1924-1926 period, so this is cca 1925 Oldsmobile 30 Four Door Touring.

1925 Oldsmobile 30 Four-Door Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1925 Ford Model T Pickup
Photo found on the Brundall Archive website (UK) while trawling the internet on another subject. They were asking for identification of the vehicle.   -- Location is Brundall Railway Station. Registration AH is Norfolk CC but number is illegible.  The car is American built in Detroit, and is a cca 1925 Ford Model T Pickup, and came from the USA as is LHD. The Pickup was introduced for 1925 and was effectively a 2 seat Runabout with a pickup body. The bonnet/scuttle was restyled for 1926.

1925 Ford Model T Pickup

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Essex Coach
Another photo received from Geoff Procter, Wiltshire (UK) saying 'What thoughts on the car in the background of this photo? I don't have a higher quality image at present. Cannot make our registration. -- Very blurry small photo so not possible to be absolutely sure. However some interesting pointers. Car has detachable rims because no centre to the spare tyre. It has a large rear window and has a very angular coach type body.  American.  Relatively sure a  cca 1925 Hudson Essex Coach.

1925 Essex Coach

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Morris Bullnose Cowley
Another photo received from Geoff Procter, Wiltshire (UK) saying 'What thoughts on this photo? I don't have a higher quality image at present. Reg looks like HK 9044. -- Bullnose Morris Cowley. Registration is Essex CC 1921, which is interesting because our Chas Moody thinks it is a 1926 model year: well-based wheels (1925 on), Gabriel Snubbers (1925 on), front wheel brakes (1926 only), flush sided body (1925 on), and the rear of the body  is flush  with the  top of the doors (1926 only). 

1926 Morris Bullnose Cowley

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca1926 Lancia Charabanc
Photo received from Andrew Randall (UK). Can our experts identify the vehicle: make, model & year? It has a look of FIAT about it. -- Right country, right town, wrong manufacturer. Badge is white outer, dark inner. This is a cca 1926 Lancia Charabanc probably based on the Triota lorry chassis. Vincenzo Lancia was in at the start of FIAT and became FIAT racing driver. Started own factory 1906. First lorries were made in 1915 called the Jota. Company became FIAT 1969, name finished 2014.

cca1926 Lancia Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1928 Ford Model A Coupe
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) saying he is a collector of old photos and who has a website devoted to this subject at http://antique-photos.com/en/. Can we identify this American photo?
-- The car is a popular American made in Detroit. This is a follow-on model to the Model T introduced in November 1927 but not sold until December. Dating of this one is from the headlamp support bar suggesting this is a cca 1928 Ford Model A Coupe.

1928 Ford Model A Coupe

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 FIAT 509A Two Door Saloon
Interesting photo sent to us by George Layton (Thailand), asking if it would be easy to identify this vehicle.
-- Well, Yes. The first point of identification is the sharp 'Rolls-Royce' type of top to the radiator. Lots of cars copied this style of radiator but this vehicle also has a light coloured blob at the bottom of the radiator. The top suggests this is an Italian FIAT and the light blob suggests an externally mounted generator. Body suggests this is  cca 1928 FIAT 509A Two Door Saloon

1928 FIAT 509A Two Door Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 GMC One-Ton Truck
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) saying he is a collector of old photos and who has a website devoted to this subject at http://antique-photos.com/en/. Can we identify this Canadian photo?
-- Lovely photo showing the strength of GMC front mudguards.  This is a cca 1928 GMC One-ton Truck. GMC was a division of General Motors which merged some of the earliest truck manufacturers, introducing the GMC Truck commercials  brand in 1912.

1928 GMC One-Ton Truck

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 Chevrolet National Series AB
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) saying he is a collector of old photos and who has a website devoted to this subject at http://antique-photos.com/en/. Can we identify this Canadian photo?
-- Not a good photo of the radiator, so it took a bit of discussion and looking at various possibilities of General Motors models such as Pontiac and Oakland but as from Canada, we have finally agreed that this is a cca 1928 Chevrolet National Series AB. 

1928 Chevrolet National Series AB

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1931 Aston Martin Le Mans Sports
Photo received from John Collison (UK) asking for help in solving the puzzle as he is unable to identify the make of this car in the photograph. This was left in a box of photos by a recently deceased relative and he is keen to find out what it is.  -- Registration GT 2453 is London CC, 1931. Our Aston Martin expert Keith Piper advises that this is a 1931 Aston Martin Le Mans Sports. It is A1/102, the 1931 Olympia show car, noted as 'ex G.F.Manby-Colegrave', and 'Known, in Japan' since at least 1992.  

1931 Aston Martin Le Mans Sports

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Chevrolet Confederate Roadster
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) saying he is a collector of old photos and who has a website devoted to this subject at http://antique-photos.com/en/. Can we identify this Canadian photo?
-- Careful look at the wheel hubs shows a very faint logo of angled rectangle with a central long bar. This is a Chevrolet Badge. It has four large bonnet louvers, is two seat roadster, both  which date it cca 1932/3 Chevrolet Confederate Sports Roadster.

1933 Chevrolet Confederate Sports Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1948 Chevrolet Fleetmaster Two-door
Slightly blurry and damaged photo sent to us by Jack O'Riley from Decatur (USA) which
features his mother-in-law's Grandfather and friend. Can we name car? -- Our New Zealand contributor Mark Dawber advised that he is fairly sure this is a 1948 Chevrolet Fleetmaster Two-door Sedan. Chevrolet called it a 'town sedan' in that era. It was the biggest selling body style in the lower price line that year according to 'The Standard Catalog', having vertical grille piece used in 1948 only.

1948 Chevrolet Fleetmaster Two-door Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:WW1 Military Vehicles
Another from a batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? -- Photo showing period military camp with as number of vehicles. Unfortunately the photo is too grainy to be able to pull out details but we can tell that the vehicle on the left in the barn is a FIAT 15 TER, probably a Renault in the centre,  and a FIAT 18BL on the right.  The car on right is too blurry.

WW1 Military Vehicles

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unidentified Open Tourer
Another from a batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  No, and neither does anybody else we have contacted !! Only positive suggestion is that the wheels are 'Riley Patent' so Riley did come to mind. Rear suspension is advanced for year, - 1908? Suggestion was a cca 1909 Riley 10 HP Tourer, but Riley dumbirons have more curvature?

Unidentified Open Tourer
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