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Ken Robinson, Tel 01293 771980
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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided :

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Page 28 below relates to enquiries received during 2010.Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1902 Gladiator 12 HP Tonneau
Damaged photo submitted by Scott Jones-Christ of Toowoomba, Queensland  (Australia) whose origin is a mystery as he has no clues as to the identity of the men. Is the car a De Dion Bouton? -- No. Curious one which John Warburton clarified with the help of Rory Sinclair as a cca 1902 Gladiator 12HP used before registrations came in. Reg is early 1904, and photo is probably much later because the car has newer add-ons such as windscreen, driver's door, mudguards & running board.

1902 Gladiator 12HP Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 Panhard & Levassor Tonneau
Photo received from George Wigglesworth (UK) of a car that was reputedly the first in the villages of Dethick, Lea and Holloway, Derbyshire, and photographed at Lea Bridge. Owner was John Bertram Marsden Smedley, wife Gertrude was the passenger, and chauffeur possibly Frederick George Hawley.  -- Registration is Derby CC. Offset starting handle says car is a cca 1903/4 Panhard & Levassor Tonneau. P&H were French 1890-1967, one of the most influential of car makers.

1903 Panhard & Levassor Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Lanchester 28 Landau
Unusual and very interesting photo received from John Sherborne (UK) which we have repaired. The driver is his grandfather William Ernest Davies, chauffeur to Lord Howard de Walden, at his households at Audley End, Saffron Walden, and Seaburn House, Belgravia, London during 1905-11. Also chauffeur to John Gurney Aggs of Pippbrook, Dorking, Surrey during 1911-30.  -- The car is recognisable by having practically no bonnet and so is a late cca 1911 Lanchester 28HP Landau.

1911 Lanchester 28hp Landau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Humber 28HP Tourer
Very interesting photo received from
John Sherborne (New Zealand). The driver is his father-in-law's father, and the photograph was taken in Devonport, Auckland. New Zealand. It is understood to have been taken in the early 1920s.  -- Confirmed by Tony Oakes, John Tarring and other experts as a cca 1912 Humber 28HP Tourer. The wing lines with deep overhangs are particularly distinctive as indeed is the leather skirt and the very wide wheel hubs featured during the 1911 to 1914 period.

1912 Humber 28HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Isota Fraschini 18'25 Type EC
Request received from Benedetto Gugliotta of the Fondazione Giovan Pietro Grimaldi in Modica (Italy) saying that professor Grimaldi purchased in 1913 an Isotta-Fraschini 18/25 HP, Chassis Tipo EC. They are trying to find some photos of that model to see what the car looked like. They found our website 'really reliable and well-done', and so they thought we could help. Help came in the form of our colleague Manuel in Australia who found the photos in  Tito Anselmi's excellent book on I-F. 

1913 Isotta Fraschini 18'25HP Tipo EC

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1913 Horch 8'24 Phaeton
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a French film "Seraphine" made in 2008, where the vehicles used are being investigated by IMCDB. The film is about a German Art Dealer discovering a French servant girl naive painter, interrupted by WW1 war.  -- The badge was Horch and the August Horch Museum, Zwickau confirmed it was a Horch 8/24 PS Phaeton but fitted with a radiator from pre-1910 period. Could be a car known in Sweden, near Stockholm.

cca1913 Horch 8'24 Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1918 Daimler Charabanc
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by George Wigglesworth (UK) who is assembling the history of his local villages in Derbyshire. This picture headed ''Chapel outing outside Lea Chapel'. Lea is in Derbyshire near Matlock and the Chapel started by the Nightingale family was one of the first non conformist. Alas no names of people or date.  -- Early Derby CC registration. Dating info has been lost so the best we can do is a cca  1914-18 Daimler MK3 Charabanc photoed later. 

cca 1918 Daimler Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Ford T & 1919 Morgan 3-wheeler
Another very interesting 'moody' period photo received from Malcolm Fare (UK) who is writing a history of the parish of Hanley Castle and saying he would be grateful to know what make of vehicle is shown. -- These cars are relatively easy. On the left with a transverse front spring is a cca 1920 Ford Model T Touring, and on the right is a cca 1919 Morgan Three Wheeler Cycle Car. Both cars would have been made unaltered for a number of years. The Morgan appears to have a reg. no.

1920 Ford Model T & 1919 Morgan Cycle Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1921 Lexington Minute Man Six
Lovely period photo submitted for identification by Grandpa (USA) showing an unusual car in a picturesque setting. Quickly identified by our friends at the AACA as a Lexington.  -- Further investigation determined that this is an American cca 1921 Lexington Minute Man Six Touring. Lexington Motor Co was formed 1909 and initially made cars in Lexington, Kentucky, moving to Connersville, Indiana in 1910 and joined  the Howard.  Taken over by Auburn in 1927 and was phased out. 

1921 Lexington Minute Man Six Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1921 International Harvester Bus
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden) showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. Jan has habit of unearthing unusual vehicles and this is no exception. -- American. Our friends at the AACA suggested an International. Further investigation showed traces of large letters on the radiator which confirm it is cca 1921 International Harvester Bus.  Note  wavy  glass  and  snow  chains.

1921 International Harvester Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1921 Briton 10'12 Tourer
Series of fascinating photos received from Colin Wilkinson (UK) saying our site seems to be a great place to get them identified. Taken early - mid 1920s. -- Licence plate DH 1974 is Walsall CBC 1921. Both cars are extremely unusual and caused much head scratching until passed to our John Warburton who immediately pointed out that this one was a cca 1921 Briton 10'12 Tourer. Briton was made as a economy model by an allied  company  to  'The  Star'  in Wolverhampton  between  1909-1928. 

1921 Briton 10'12 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Cubitt 16'20 Tourer
Series of fascinating photos received from Colin Wilkinson (UK) saying our site is a great place to get them identified.  -- Licence plate DH 25xx is Walsall CBC 1922. Both cars are extremely unusual and caused much head scratching until passed to our John Warburton who immediately pointed out that this one was a cca 1922 Cubitt 16'20 Tourer. Cubitts were civil engineers, builders of Buckingham Pal., Osborne Hse., and Cenotaph,  venturing briefly to American style car production 1919-25.

1922 Cubitt 16'20 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Ford Model T Dropside Lorry
Another very interesting period photo received from Malcolm Fare (UK) who is writing a history of the parish of Hanley Castle and saying he would be grateful to know what make of vehicle is shown. -- Looking through the spokes of the front wheel it is not possible to see any dumbirons or front springs. Can see the end of a transverse spring. The vehicle is a cca 1922 Ford Model T 1 Ton Dropside Lorry. First Model T Ford trucks were produced  in  1917.  No  registration to provide dating.

1922 Ford Model T Dropside Lorry

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Vinot et Deguingang Type BO
Another photo received from Jim Derham-Reid from British Columbia (Canada). Cannot make out the make on the original photo (not readable on this scan) but thinks the first part is Vinot. Photographed at small local car show in Lytham-St. Annes '79.  --  Popular French make 1901-26, initially Vinot & Deguringand, later Vinot. Subsequent UK investment resulted in parallel manufacture of the Vinot taxi and the Gladiator. This is a  cca 1922 Vinot et Deguringand 15'20hp Type BO.

1922 Vinot et Deguingang Type BO

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Lagonda 12'24 Saloon
Moody but unclear photo submitted by Mary Lenox (UK) who is trying to identify the lady standing beside the car, and a date for the car would be very helpful. Photo was probably taken in England, but may have been taken in Australia. Apparently Beaulieu could not identify the car.  -- Not an easy one but fortunately our Tony Oakes spotted that it had no dumbirons so transverse spring, perhaps Lagonda. Investigation in detail  revealed  that  it  was  indeed  a  cca 1924 Lagonda 12'24  Saloon.

1924 Lagonda 12'24 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Amilcar CC Bernardet Bodied
Photo submitted to Autopuzzles for identification.   --  The car is obviuosly an Amilcar but the body was most unusual. As we have the premier Amilcar expert in our Society we put him to the test, which apparently wasn't much of one. Came back immedaitely with that this is a cca 1924 Amilcar CC with a unique body built by Bernardet Freres. Bernardet, located south of Paris, were initially mainly a motorcycle side-car  manufacturers, who later  went into  manufacture of scooters.

1924 Amilcar CC bodied by Bernardet Freres

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Steyr Type 5 Tourer
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden) showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. Jan has habit of unearthing unusual vehicles and this is no exception.  -- The car looks very much like an Austrian cca 1924 Steyr Type 5 Tourer. We had received a photo of a similar car from Jan earlier. The car features the very  fashionable  'spitzkuhler'  pointed  radiator  then  much  in  favour.

1924 Steyr Type 5 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Ford Model T Tudor
Another photo received from George Wigglesworth (UK) of 'Mildred', a car used by his uncle, George Metcalfe Wigglesworth, in Halkirk, Alberta, Canada where he was a butcher. He emigrated about 1910. It is believed that the car was modified by creating access from the back so as to be able to load carcases.  He used it for many years and may not have got it new.   -- We can confirm that the car is cca 1926 Ford Model T  'Tudor'.  Hinges are visible  at back of the car,  suggesting door.

1926 Ford Model T Tudor

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 Chevrolet LQ Bus
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden) showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. Jan has habit of unearthing unusual vehicles and this is no exception. -- American largish bus in use in sunny Sweden. Badge is Chevrolet. Our friends at the AACA suggested a cca 1929 Chevrotet LQ Bus. Unusual six wheeler. Interesting enveloping  sun visor  and side curtain  all round, ventilated!

1929 Chevrolet LQ Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1936 Zenith-JAP Motorcycle
Amusing photo received from John Lovell (UK) of his father and two friends astride a motorbike probably taken in about 1936.  -- Registration is Oxford CBC. Engine seems to be a JAP. Our Geoff Morris immediately recogised it as a Zenith from the letter 'Z' on the distinctive tank. Initially made at Hampton Court (1904) but taken over late thirties by dealer Writers at Kennington Cross, London. Looks like a 500cc (OHV), but it may just be a 350cc as they are hard to distinguish. 

1936 Zenith-JAP Motorcycle

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1939 Hillman Minx Drop Head Coupe
Great period photo received from David Champion (UK). Hisfather ran a shop in Dorking before WW2 and in late 1930's he bought the car. Possibly a Humber Snipe. Photographed on Leith Hill when Father was in the Home Guard before callup when he used to sit in the tower, plane spotting at night.  -- Regret not a Humber but Hillman. Both companies taken over by Roots Group in 1931. By registration the model is a 1939 Hillman Minx DHC, three stage convertible. Love the one blackout lamp !

1939 Millman Minx Drop Head Coupe

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1949 Pontiac Silver Streak
Slightly fuzzy photo received from Peter Nickerson (USA) saying he would love to identify the make, model and year of the vehicle in this photo. It was taken in April of 1955, so the car was probably from the 1940s.  -- Our friends at the AACA advise that this is a cca 1949 Pontiac Silver Streak Sedan. The smaller, less elaborate hood ornament marks this a 1949 model which also featured the all-new Fisher body. Pontiac was a division  General Motors that had been Oakland, made in Pontiac. 

1949 Pontiac Siver Streak Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Stationary Engine & Eisemann Mag
Series of photos received from Piero Queirolo from Santiago de Chile (Chile) saying he has a stationary engine, but he needs information on how to restore it. Do we have any information about this model, where is was made, nationality, age, etc. brochures,  any information on it.  --We do not have members who are 'stationary' experts. One of our readers Jason Tysoe from England has since advised that this is a Gas Engine made by  Andrews in  Stockport,  Manchester,  - built circa 1900.

Stationary Engine with Eisemann Magneto

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1914 Darracq perhaps
Damaged photo, which we repaired, received from Chris Scott (Brazil & NI), also sent to Crossleys, asking if a Crossley. They said no, suggesting us.  -- We also say no. We asked for magnification of wheelhub. Unfortunately not readable. Our John Warburton is positive not a Crossley from the wheels and shape of radiator. However does not know what it is. Our thoughts is it has many features of perhaps a 1912/14 Darracq.  Registration is Belfast,  but precise  dating  info lost.

cca 1914 Darracq perhaps?

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Late 1930s American Sedans
Very small pixly section of a photo received from Ernest Byerly of Arkansas (USA) where the cars were in the background. The picture was found in a bunch of old family photos and is of a gravesite. He is trying to narrow it down to which family member, and knowing the year of the cars would help. He thinks it is between 1920 and 1940.  -- Quite correct but we regret cannot make out any detail so unable to date accurately  or identify.  The car back  in foreground  is mid/late  thirties.

Late 1930s American Sedans

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