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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:  1903
Peerless Model F 16HP Tonneau
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
friend Tim in USA asking for identification. -- Our
Ariejan Bos advises he was puzzled, perhaps European, but realized that
on one side of the radiator he could see small tubes connected with
tubular cooler pack. It has a reservoir on top. As far as he is aware,
only one make had a rad that looks like this, and this would be a cca
1903 Peerless Model F 16HP Rear Entrance Tonneau Twin
Cylinder made in America, Cleveland Ohio.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1903
Clement Rear Entrance Tonneau
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand). Any thoughts on
the car? -- Lovely
photo of a biggish car with humpy radiator which also has a frame round
the matrix core. This is indicative of a bigger French cca
1903 Clement Rear Entrance Tonneau,
probably the 12'16. Adolphe Clement had Dunlop agency and started
making Panhard & Levassor under licence in 1903 taking name Clement
Bayard 1904. Had a company in the UK, became Clement Talbot, later
Talbot.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904
Germain 16'20 32-Seater Bus
Similar
puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
an internet forum asking for ID. Is it a steamer? -- Although
identified on some websites as a 'steamer', this is actually petrol
engined cca
1904 Germain 16'20 32 Seater Bus made
by Belgian 'Germain', at that time third most popular in London at 13,
operated by second biggest operator London Road Car Co. Steamer busses
by Clarkson Chelmsford looked similar and were later operated by LRCC
and Natnl Stem Car Co.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904
De Dion Bouton 12CV Type S
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a n internet forum asking for identification of vehicles?
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Lovely photo depicting a relatively modern
looking garage and a couple of nice cars without registration plates. Perhaps
posed later? The car on the left is a French cca
1904 De Dion Bouton 12CV Type S which
had a two cylinder 1728cc engine. Introduced 1904. ID pointers are
stubby dumb-irons, latches on louvre plate and starting handle top of
rad, filler by scuttle.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904
Wolseley 8HP Surrey
Lovely photo received from DavidA (UK) from
an internet forum asking for identification of car. No information
supplied with the photo. -- The
wrap round radiator is immediately identifiable as a Wolseley, but
model identifiers are the drag link being forward of the front axle and
the car having a scuttle tank. This one is a cca
1904 Wolseley 8HP Surrey which was
provided with a two cylinder water cooled engine with coil ignition,
cone clutch drive to rear wheels being by twin chains.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907
Griffon 493cc Motorcycle
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand),
bike is
c1907 Griffon?
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Indeed seems a cca
1907 Griffon 493cc Motorcycle powered
by a 3.5HP Vee Twin made by Zedel. Griffon was one of France's
oldest makes based in Courbervoie Paris. Company started by Eugene
Peugeot in1898 making bicycles, then motorcycles 1902 using Swiss Zedel
engines. Zedel moved to France and became biggest auto maker. Griffon
merged with Peuogeot making motorcycles until 1956.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907
Darracq 25/30 HP Landaulette
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
an internet forum asking for identification.
Thinks this may be Darracq. -- Yes,
a French Paris, Suresnes, made cca
1907 Darracq Landaulette, one of
larger models, likely 25/30 HP. Darracq went through the early period
with myriads of rad shapes. This shape prior to the lower dip for the
badge was used for only year and for the bigger cars in range. English
Darracq became STD Motors> Roots>Chrysler, - now Peugeot.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909
Rover 20HP Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a n internet forum asking for identification of vehicles?
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Lovely photo depicting a relatively modern
looking garage and a couple of nice cars without registration plates. Perhaps
posed later? The car on the right is a British cca
1909 Rover 20HP Tourer, introduced
1907 as the production version of the 1906 TT Winner. This had a 3251cc
four cylinder 20 HP engine. Smaller 15HP had shorter bonnet with no
louvres
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909
Rover 20HP Open Tourer
Interesting photo from Premp Memp
(UK) asking
for ID of a late 1900s car?
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Slightly pixly photo depicting a grand car in
Britain with a
'British look' rounded scuttle with possibly a filler cap, with British
style bonnet lifting handle, an unusual half round kick plate
and, what is a clincher, was a lack of obvious dumb irons at the front which
suggested a transverse spring. This all adds up to nice British cca
1909 Rover 20HP Open Tourer. 3251cc
four, made 1907-1910 based on 1906 TT winner.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911
Daimler 15HP Tourer
Another
puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
an internet forum asking for identification of car. Postcard from the
town of Thames in NZ which says on back "Reunion Day, Victoria
Park, Thames' with no date. -- Car
is tucked away in amongst the crowd and the carts so not very clear or
many visible identification features to be accutate on dating. From the
fluted radiaator top and central scuttle horn it is a cca
1911 Daimler 15HP Tourer, no horns
fitted after 1914.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1912
Optima Landaulette
Another photo received from DavidA (UK) from
a forum of old photos asking for identification. No background on
photo. -- Identified by our Ariejan Bos as a very
unusual car indeed, a French rarity. He has a 'Le Monde' picture of
same/similar car in every detail on the 1912 Tour de France, this being
described as a French cca 1912 Optima Landaulette. It was the only one
in the trial but became disqualified due a broken drive shaft. Not in
Georgano but apparently made 1910/1912. Badged?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913
Russo-Baltique Kegresse
In the process of researching my article
on Lenin's Rolls Royce
I came across this
photo of a car labelled " Tsar's
Rolls Royce with tracks " --
Amazing mount of rubbish and
totally wrong mis-information is continuing to be disseminated by
'first ranking' internet organizations without anybody fully bothering
to check if the facts are actually true or accurate. This is
actually a Russian made cca
1913 Russo-Baltique Kegresse
Autochenille with tracks developed by Adolphe Kegresse.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Probably
1913 Singer 15 Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a n internet forum asking for identification
of vehicles?
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Blurry photo depicting a pre-WW1 car in front of
a building with the name Settlers Arms Hotel which seems to have been
in a mainly Scandinavian area of Dannevirke in the north island of New
Zealand. Car is difficult, not likely the suggested Wolseley but
as has a protruding rad header tank our Ariejan Bos thinks probably
cca 1913 Singer 14 or 15 Open Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1919
FIAT 501 Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from an American Silent Film "Hearts of
the World" made in 1918 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB.
Film is about an American living in rural France wooing local girl when
WW1 intervenes. -- Blurry
photo difficult to investigate. This seems Italian car with post WW1
features, but film supposed to have been shot in 1918. From radiator,
low headlights and squarish front mudguards we recon the car is a cca
1919 Fiat 501 Torpedo or the slightly
larger 505?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1919
GN 10HP Cyclecar
Another interesting photo received from DavidA
(UK) asking for identification of vehicles. --
Confusing photo if taken in UK because all cars
have reg. numbers which precede the vehicle by decades. The car in the
centre is British with a registration of D729 which is Kent County
Council 1905 whereas headlamp and radiator advise a
cca
1919 GN 10HP Cyclecar from firm
started by Messrs Godfrey and Frazer-Nash and sold to British Gregoire
after WW1. Licence sold to Salmson in France.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920
Sizaire Berwick 25'50 Tourer
Another interesting photo received from DavidA
(UK) asking for identification of vehicles. --
Confusing photo if taken in UK because all cars
have reg. numbers which precede the vehicle by decades. The car on left
is French, reg A 3###, London CC 1904, but radiator design advises this
is a cca
1920 Sizaire Berwick 25'50 Tourer made
by Sizaire Brothers after they left Sizaire Naudin in France and joined
Fredrick Berwick in England. Radiator change 1919 due dispute with
Rolls-Royce.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920
Overland Model 4 Touring
Another interesting photo received from DavidA
(UK) asking for identification of vehicles. --
Confusing photo if taken in UK because all ars
are have reg. numbers which precede the vehicle by decades. The car on
the right was a popular small American car, has registration A 272
which would have been early 1904 whereas the car is a cca
1920 Overland Model 4 Touring.
Front/rear suspension is triangulated transverse spring largely covered
by curving front valance of the car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920 FIAT 504 Open Drive Landaulette
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian film "Girolimoni,
il mostro di Roma" (The Assassin of Rome) and where cars are being
investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Gino Girolimoni, wrongfully
accused of child murders in Rome between 1924 and 1928.
-- The car is in the shadows so difficult
to be precise. It is an early FIAT with a painted radiator shell and a
useful pointer is the headlights are electric. This is probably
the 1920 FIAT 504 Open Drive Landaulette
or perhaps the fixed Limousine.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1921 FIAT
505 Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian film "Girolimoni,
il mostro di Roma" (The Assassin of Rome) and where cars are being
investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Gino Girolimoni, wrongfully
accused of child murders in Rome between 1924 and 1928.
-- The car is quite dark so difficult
to be precise. It is an early FIAT with a chromed ovalish radiator shell and
useful pointer is the low level of the bonnet hinge and electric headlights. This is probably
the 1921 FIAT
505 Torpedo Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923
Citroen 5CV Trefle Special
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian film "Girolimoni,
il mostro di Roma" (The Assassin of Rome) and where cars are being
investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Gino Girolimoni, wrongfully
accused of child murders in Rome between 1924 and 1928.
-- The car is French from the 5CV range
of Citroens. It is however a 'special' and would not have looked like
this in period. The front wheels are wrong and the back seat is
unoriginal. It probably started out life as a cca
1923 Citren 5CV Trefle.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923
Lanchester 40 Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a n internet forum asking for identification
of vehicles?
Initial thought Studebaker, later suggestion a Lanchester. -–
Blurry photo depicting a pre-WW1 car crossing a
demolished bridge on Larry's Creek in floods of 1926, south island New
Zealand. And indeed the car seems to be a cca
1923 Lanchester 40 Tourer which at the
time was more expensive than a Rolls-Royce. Lanchester made the first
British four-wheel car in 1896.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1931
Austin 20 New Carlton
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
an internet forum asking for identification of car. Thinks
this may be British, and a cca 1932/33 Standard, - but number of
louvres is wrong? -- Took
some searching by number of our experts, suggested as possibly
American? Eventually determined it was indeed British, but
competing with Buick, being a cca
1931 Austin 20 which had a
short-wheelbase 'New Carlton' with nine louvres x 2, and a similar
'Whitehall' with 10'2.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1934
Ford Model Y Saloon
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK)
seems to be on the lookout for unusual cars, this one found on a Ford
website, but is it a Model
Y? -- Very
small pixly picture difficult to make out. From a distance it could be
the Russian GAZ M'ka but the louvres were full length. Two pointers to
UK, registration seems to be UK Kent County Council March 1934 and the
nearside headlight seems to have a wartime blackout mask. The rad looks
a bit odd because it has roll-up radiator blind fixed in two halves.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1934
Talbot AV105 Coupe des Alpes
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK)
seems to be on the lookout for unusual cars, and wondered if we knew
what this one was? Pixly photo on vintage Ford website. --
Car has that British "We never got round to
designing a proper hood for it " and "Sports car are for
getting wet in" look about it. Our Tony Oakes rightly suggested
looking under Talbot, and indeed a cca
1934 Talbot AV105 Coupe des Alpes by
Vanden Plas named in honour of the company's Alpine Trials successes of
the 1930s.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1936
Aero 30 Sports
Cinema screen grab taken from a Czechoslovak TV series "Straty a nálezy"
(Lost and Foun) made in 1974 and where cars are being
investigated by IMCDB. -- This
is a a Czechoslovak car made in Prague-Vysocany by aircraft and
car-body company operating 1929-1947. This is a cca
1936 Aero 30 Sports with a 998 cc 26HP
twin-cylinder engine, 105 km/h (65 mph, front-wheel drive and
all-independent suspension. Production 7,780 by WW2, stopped in 1947
when company nationalised.
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