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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided.  While page is being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,  cars are in year order:

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Page 68 below relates to enquiries received during 2014Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 De Dietrich RE Tonneau
A series of lovely photos received from Susanna Holt, from Arizona (USA), the great granddaughter of Sir Joseph Beecham of 'Beecham pills', who was also the father of Sir Thomas Beecham, the famous conductor. Susanna is writing a book on her Grandmother Josephine Boston, sister of Thomas, who was a pioneer driver and cars are much featured in her history. -- This series of photos relates to a French cca 1903 De Dietrich Tonneau, poss the 24HP,  registered France late 1904. 

1903 De Dietrich Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 Belsize 12HP RE Tonneau
A series of lovely photos received from Susanna Holt, from Arizona (USA) great granddaughter of Sir Joseph Beecham of 'Beecham pills', who was also the father of Sir Thomas Beecham, the famous conductor. Photos show Sir Joseph and wife Josephine and Susanna's Grandmother Josephine Boston, pioneer motorist, about whom she is writing a book. -- This series of photos relate to a  British cca 1903 Belsize 12hp Rear Entrance Tonneau with an unusual rear horseshoe scuttle tube radiator.

1903 Belsize 12HP Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 Lanchester 12HP Tourer
Lovely  photograph received from
Peter Young (Australia) from an album from his father. Believed taken in London. He thinks it may be the Colman family (Colman's Mustard). His great-great grandfather is standing on the doorstep of the home.  -- Revolutionary car with Northern Ireland numberplate, so possibly not taken in London. The car is a cca 1904 Lanchester 12HP Air Cooled Tourer. Lanchester went bust 1904,  recapitalised.  Became  BSA/Daimler '31,  Jaguar '60,  now Tata.

1904 Lanchester 12HP Air-cooled Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905 Mors 30HP RE Tonneau
Interesting photo from a glass negative received from Peter Artzen (Germany) who was
searching in the wideness of the internet and found our site. After going through our Help Pages without result, perhaps we could help? The plate comes from Tongeren Belgium. -- Car made by a French manufacturer who was one of the first into auto racing in 1897. Humpy radiator suggests this is a cca 1905 Mors 30HP Tonneau. Mors were active in UK and USA. Citroen became MD 1908, bought Mors 1925.

1905 Mors 30HP Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1906 Leon Bollee Touring Limousine
A series of lovely photos received from Susanna Holt, from Arizona (USA), the great granddaughter of Sir Joseph Beecham of 'Beecham pills', who was also the father of Sir Thomas Beecham, the famous conductor. Susanna is writing a book on her Grandmother Josephine Boston, sister of Thomas, who was a pioneer driver and cars are much featured in her history. -- This series of photos relate to a French cca 1906  Leon  Bollee  Touring Limousine  registered with the Liverpool CBC.

1906 Leon Bollee Touring Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1906 Rover 6HP Two-seater
Lovely photo received from Phil Castle (UK) saying he
recently obtained a number of glass photographic negatives of various subjects, taken in the Devon UK area around 1910. One of the negatives shows a car which he has tried to identify without success. -- From having forward draglink, this is a cca 1906 Rover 6HP Two-seater with screen and full weather gear. Interesting to note that the off-side dumbiron is quite bent and that the car has no numberplate.  Rover 6 was made 1906-10.

1906 Rover 6HP Two-seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908 Woseley Siddley Tourer
Another lovely photo received from Tom Cosens from Yorkshire (UK) of an old car he didn't recognise. This is from his collection of postcard curiosities on which he has no other background, but which are needing identification. -- This one looks very much like a Wolseley made during the Vickers period that saw the departure of Herbert Austin and the rise to power of JD Siddeley. As the driver has unusable low door, this would date it to be a  cca 1908  Wolseley  Siddeley  Tourer,  possibly the 16'20.

1908 Woseley Siddley Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Hotchkiss AD Landaulette
Lovely photo received from
Alan Griffin, past chairman Leamington History Group (UK), an Edwardian postcard not seen before, possibly  member of the Royal Family at local hospital. Idea of date of vehicle can help in trawling the local newspaper to find the story to which the photo relates. -- Circular bonnet with louvers high up and a belt bracket just visible  behind the sidelamp  advises this is a cca 1913 Hotchkis AD Landaulette. Probably during WW1. Possibly Queen Mary & George 5th?

1913 Hotchkiss AD Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Bedford Buick Touring
Lovely photo received from
John Vistuer (UK), who asked if we could identify car from a photo taken in Bideford North Devon.-- Devon reg. Quite an unusual car. American chassis bodied in London. This is a cca 1913 Bedford Buick Model 31 Touring.  Buicks were exported to UK from 1907 but from 1909 to 1917 Flint USA chassis were bodied by Bedford Motors, Westminster "to a modified American design built in England". Initially Bedford then Bedford-Buick.  This is not the Vauxhall 'Bedford'!

1913 Bedford Buick Model 31 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Cadillac Model 30 Touring
A series of lovely photos received from Susanna Holt, from Arizona (USA), the great granddaughter of Sir Joseph Beecham of 'Beecham pills', who was also the father of Sir Thomas Beecham, the famous conductor. Susanna is writing a book on her Grandmother, sister of Thomas, Josephine Boston a pioneer driver where cars feature in her history. -- This photo is of an American cca 1913 Cadillac Model 30 Six-Passenger Touring,  perhaps car she drove in the 1914 Alpine Trial.

1913 Cadillac Model 30 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Detroiter B1 Roadster
Photograph requiring identification posted on the PreWarCar website by John saying this is one of three photos of a car that belonged to his Great-Grandfather. What is it?
  -- Unusual American car distinguished by the 'Jagger lip' shape of the radiator top. Manufactured in Detroit by the Briggs-Detroiter Motor Car Company from 1912 to 1917, and being mainly an assembly operation. This is a cca1914 Detroiter B1 Roadster, 2811cc. Also marketed in UK where many were sold as Royal Detroiter.

1914 Detroiter B1 Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1919 Fiat 505 Torpedo
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  Nice to receive a photo from him of a car that was not made in America! This is an Italian car from Torino being a cca 1919 FIAT 505 4 door Torpedo. The 505 was made 1919/1925 and was a successor to the 2B, and a bigger 501, having a four cylinder 2296 cc30hp engine capable of 50 mph (80km/h).

1919 FIAT 505 Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1921 Crossley Manchester Tourer
A series of lovely photos received from Susanna Holt, from Arizona (USA), the great granddaughter of Sir Joseph Beecham of 'Beecham pills', who was also the father of Sir Thomas Beecham, the famous conductor. Susanna is writing a book on her Grandmother, sister of Thomas, Josephine Boston a pioneer driver where cars feature in her history. -- This photo is of a British cca 1921 Crossley Manchester 25'30 Tourer of an old friend who helped her compete in the 1914 Alpine Trial.

1921 Crossley Manchester 25'30 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Ford Model T Touring
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  Photo was headed 'Ford T 1922' which is exactly what it is, a cca 1922 Ford Model T Three Door Touring. Windscreen is still upright. Different front styling in 1923. Ts were made 1908 to 1927 and some 15 million were produced. They were then about 22 HP could do about 30 mph at 12 miles per US gallon.

1922 Ford Model T Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Renault NN Tourer
Series of photos received from Gina Black
(Canada) saying this could be grandparents' car in North Wales, who had eight children from 1911-1923. Does this date back to 1910s? Why is there no radiator grille? -- Not 1910!  Car is French and has a distinctive coalscuttle bonnet with the radiator grille behind the engine, which continued into the '30s. The scuttle nose defines the make, the round shaped logo that  is pre-1925, registration is Leeds CBC 1924, so c1924 Renault NN Tourer.

1924 Renault NN Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 Auburn 8-88 Phaeton
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  Another car from America. The curving bodyline strip on the bonnet helps, but the people are hiding the back so difficult to say if it is a phaeton not roadster. The grill is in two sections so it is post 1927. The prop shaft is disconnected and hanging lose. This is a cca 1928 Auburn 8-88, and probably Phaeton.

1928 Auburn 8-88 Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 Buick Six Four-Door Tourer
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  Another car from America with rad I recognised but could not place! Our Tony Oakes however did and advised " Buick 1929-ish". In my defence, this new radiator style was indeed introduced in 1929 and was used for only one year. The name badge also moved to the rad core (missing on photo !!). 

1929 Buick Six Four-Door Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1930 Morris Oxford Six Saloon
Lovely photograph received from Christine Haworth
(UK) of what she assumes is the car bought in the 1930s by her Grandfather, but driven by her mother. He never learnt to drive. It was a type of Morris Oxford that struggled to get up hills because it was too heavy. It was registered in Burnley, Lancashire as HG 15. When was it registered ? -- HG is a Burnley County Borough Council issue of late 1930. The car is therefore a 1930 Morris Oxford Six. Rad badge  was  used  only 1930/1. 

1930 Morris Oxford Six Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934 Hanomag Rekord 1.5L Saloon
Recent photo received from Par Sorliden
(Sweden) saying he recently saw this car in a museum but has no idea what it might be. The photo was taken at Jesada Technik Museum in Thailand in July 2013. Maybe we can help? -- Far from home! The main identification feature is missing, the winged 'H' badge which should be on the centre of the radiator. Large headlamps and no badge bar suggest this is an early German cca 1934 Hanomag Rekord 1.5L Saloon. They are still making earth-movers.

1934 Hanomag Rekord 1.5L Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1936 BMW 328 Roadster
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  Photo was headed 'various' which somewhat belittles one of the contenders in 1999 for the 'Car of the Century'. From the horizontal grill dividers this looks a very well used, possibly at a wedding, early cca 1936 BMW 328 Roadster of which only 464 were made,  and one which won the  Mille Miglia of 1940. 

1936 BMW 328 Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1939 MG TB Sports Roadster
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is? --  This one is a bit blurred and the badge on the radiator seems a bit wrong, as does the lack of badge bar with starting handle bracket, as does the starting handle hanging lose. However, despite these oddities we are relatively sure this is a pre WW2 MG. If so, it is probably a cca 1939 MG TB Sports.

1939 MG TB Sports Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1953 Ford Prefect E493A Saloon
Interesting enquiry  received from Gustav Liebenberg (South Africa) asking us to identify the car.
The photo was taken in Thailand by a friend of his who is standing next to the car. He has been asking about the car, but this one is old and modern and Gustav cannot identify it. -- Very interesting description 'old and modern' as this is a much customised UK cca 1953 Ford Prefect E493A Saloon. The Prefect bar on the bonnet is removed but has indicators and smoked glass. Dating from the bumper.

1953 Ford Prefect E493A Saloon

REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE:cca 1959 Surrey 03 Runabout
Small photograph received from Jim Leighton, from Oregon, Maine, (USA) saying he owns a Bliss Surrey Serial Number 8582509. Can anyone share any info as to year and number. It is complete but the wheels are getting tired. --  The Surrey '03 was a replica kit car made by E W Bliss Company, Canton, Ohio, between 1958 and 1959, based on the 1903 Curved Dash Oldsmobile, with a Cushman scooter engine and current brakes and lighting. Any help would be appreciated.  See 1  &  2.

1959 Surrey 03 Runabout

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Vulcan Car Mascot
Interesting enquiry  received from Andy Munro (UK) relating to a car mascot that may be one of the first few years of Vulcan. The most notable feature on this for dating is the handle of mallet.  Also, was Vulcan the first car manufacturer to use a mascot? -- There are a number of versions of the Vulcan mascot, but mascots are a little too specialised for us. Suggest he contacts a mascot dealer. We can advise Vulcan introduced mascots after Rolls cca 1911. USA had mascots 1909.

Vulcan Car Mascot

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:UNKNOWN Microcar in Austria
Photograph received from regular contributor Joao Ferreira
(Portugal) asking for help in identifying this car on behalf of a friend. The This photo is showing the late father in law in a mystery micro car and was taken probably in Austria during the fifties. -- We regret that despite considerable searching we have not been able to put a name to this car. There were many microcars made in the 40s-60s era, and many were one-offs. Professionally made,  so somebody  may well know what it is.

Unknown 1950 Micro-car
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