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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided.  While page is being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,  cars are in year order:

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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 Panhard & Levassor 15HP
Another photo received from Ken Brown, Hampshire (UK) who says always a pleasure looking through the Help Pages. Perhaps we would enjoy the challenge of identifying a few mystery car photos from his collection. Looks forward to his items appearing on the SVVS website.  --  French, and the manufacturer is still around making military vehicles. Started 1887 using Gottlieb Daimler engines and was one of  France's best; c1904 Panhard & Levassor 15HP Side Entrance Tonneau.

1904 Panhard & Levassor 15HP Side-entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905 Cadillac Model M Tonneau
Lovely period photo supplied by Vaughan Mitchell of Cranleigh (UK) who would love to know make and model and date? Car belonged to his great grandfather, a Dentist practicing in Dewsbury , W. Yorks at the time of the photo (probably pre 1st WW?). -- Registration U 344 is Leeds CBC, which is not far from Dewsbury, but the car came nearly 4000 miles to be there! Product of what was defunct 1902 first Henry Ford Company in Detroit USA, this is cca1905 Cadillac Model M Tonneau, single cylinder.

1905 Cadillac Model D Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Delahaye 25'35 Landaulette
Another photo received from Ken Brown, Hampshire (UK) who says always a pleasure looking through the Help Pages. Perhaps we would enjoy the challenge of identifying a few mystery car photos from his collection. Looks forward to his items appearing on the SVVS website.  --  Registration probably French, car definitely French, made in Paris.  This is a rather smart open drive cca 1907'8 Delahaye 25-35hp Landaulette,  chain drive 4-cylinder  4933cc. Became Hotckiss,  to 1956.

1907 Delahaye 25'35 Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Phoenix Quadcar
Another photo received from Ken Brown, Hampshire (UK) who says always a pleasure looking through the Help Pages. Perhaps we would enjoy the challenge of identifying a few mystery car photos from his collection. Looks forward to his items appearing on the SVVS website.  --  Intriguing. Has round air cooled front but bulkhead tower radiators. One of our wise sages confirms this is a later cca 1907 Phoenix Quadcar, successor to Trimo three-wheeler, two cyl. 8HP, water cooled. 

1907 Phoenix Quadcar

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908 Lorraine Deitrich Landaulette
Another photo received from Ken Brown, Hampshire (UK) who says always a pleasure looking through the Help Pages. Perhaps we would enjoy the challenge of identifying a few mystery car photos from his collection. Looks forward to his items appearing on the SVVS website.  --  This one looks French but who also had a factory in England 1907 in Birmingham by a company started as De Dietrich 1864. This one has shaft drive,  so is a British  cca 1908 Lorraine Deitrich 20hp Landaulette.

1908 Lorraine Deitrich Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Reanult Open Drive Landaulette
Very lovely period photo from family album received from David Guyton, Chester (UK) suggesting other photos were taken 1900-1905.-- This one is a little bit later, an the  car is French made by the then largest car manufacturer in France. It had received an order 1905 to create a fleet of Taxis for Paris and became best selling brand in USA. From the shape of the dumbirons, no driver's door, longish bonnet, this is cca 1909 Reanult Open Drive Landaulette,  B or C. UK Company  1904.

1909 Reanult Open Drive Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Belsize 10'12 Tourer
Lovely period photo received from Frances Wessel (Germany) who is in the process of scanning old photos of her great-grandfather in Yorkshire, with what  is notated first family car, in 1922. -- Resembles Humber but is a cca 1913 Belsize 10'12 Tourer, with the characteristic steering-column notched lever. Obviously proud of the AA badge, strangely side on, which has wings so post 1911. Frances later advised  family folklore  mentioning that they had a car called  'Billy the Belsize' !

1913 Belsize 10'12 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 White 40 GAF Hearse
While surfing the net on other matters I came across this unidentified photo on the Florida Memory Website marked as Philbrick Funeral Home's hearse (1910) - Miami, Florida, and saved it for future investigation.  --  Immediate thought was White but as rad is small it must be gasoline rather than steam. These were made 1911+ and had acetylene lamps. As this has electric lamps, and well used, the date of 1910 is a bit early  as this is more likely  cca 1913 White 40 GAF Hearse

1913 White 40 GAF Hearse

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Perhaps c1913 Alldays Sports
Another photo received from Ken Brown, Hampshire (UK) who says always a pleasure looking through the Help Pages. Perhaps we would enjoy the challenge of identifying a few mystery car photos from his collection. Looks forward to his items appearing on the SVVS website.  --  Very puzzling because the bullnose radiator could be one of many makes, most British but other features do not fit. Suggestions include Alldays, Enfield or Star.  Too small for Star,   but poss cca 1913 Alldays?

Perhaps c1913 Alldays Sports

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1914 Calcott 10.5 Two Seat Light Tourer
Photograph posted on the PreWarCar website by Ashley Evison asking if anybody can identify the car with Stan and Norman Willamson of Welton Yorkshire c 1930.
-- A number of people suggested it was cWW1 Standard but I am relatively sure it is not one. The scuttle is rounded rather than humped, and the wheel-hubs are not right; but both are right for a cca 1914 Calcott 10.5 Two Seat Light Tourer. Started 1886 in Coventry, cycles, then motorcycles, &  cars 1913.  Became Singer 1926.

1914 Calcott 10.5 Two Seat Light Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1915 Calthorpe 10'12 Tourer
Another photo received from Ken Brown, Hampshire (UK) who says always a pleasure looking through the Help Pages. Perhaps we would enjoy the challenge of identifying a few mystery car photos from his collection. Looks forward to his items appearing on the SVVS website.  --  This one looks very British and is indeed a car made by a company in Birmingham who also madecycles and  motorcycles, 1904-32 . This one is the cca 1915 Calthorpe 10'12 Tourer. Car cost in 1915 £200 complete.

1915 Calthorpe 10'12 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1915 Alldays Light Four
Another photo received from Ken Brown, Hampshire (UK) who says always a pleasure looking through the Help Pages. Perhaps we would enjoy the challenge of identifying a few mystery car photos from his collection. Looks forward to his items appearing on the SVVS website.  --  This one looks very British and is indeed a car made by Alldays & Onions of Birmingham 1898-1918. This one is the cca 1915 Alldays Light Four, 4 cylinder 10 hp.  Car cost  £195 complete with all electrics / tools.

1915 Alldays Light Four

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Crossley 25'30 Tow-truck
Lovely period photo supplied Stewart Would (UK) from Facebook group: "Hull and East Yorkshire Motoring Memories" posted by David Hendry and shows his father fourth from the right. Autowreckers was a vast area on Clough Road in Hull, East Yorkshire dealing in all manner of scrap vehicles and, after WWII, government surplus items.  -- Much used make during WW1, this is a bigger and slightly later  cca 1920  Crossley  25'30  Tow-truck.  Could have  had one of a  number of bodies.

1920 Crossley 25'30 Tow-truck

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1921 De Dion-Bouton Type IE Tourer
Cinema screen grab taken from an American film " Lion of the Desert" made in 1981 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. In Fascist Italy Pre-World War II of Benito Mussolini, cruel General Rodolfo Graziani sets out to capture Omar Mukhtar and to vanquish the Arab nation in Libya; based on actual events. -- French car made by pioneers of the automobile industry and one of the largest early manufacturers which was by this time in decline;  1921 De Dion-Bouton Type IE Tourer.

1921 De Dion-Bouton Type IE Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Peugeot 153B Torpedo
Lovely period photo received from Henry Hammar (Sweden) from grandfather's archives. Which car it is? The picture has been taken in Finland sometime in 1920s. Painted radiator? Is it a Peugeot? It would be a nice add to the family history.  -- Indeed it is a Peugeot and more precisely a cca 1922 Peugeot 153B Torpedo. It is unusual for it to have a painted radiator shell so early so it may be one of the more luxurious types like the 153CA Colonial or the more sporting 153 BRA or 153 BRS.

1922 Peugeot 153B Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Bean 11.9 Two-seater Tourer
Very lovely period photo received from Stephan Moyses of Richmond, Texas, (USA) asking if we can identify the car. He was told the picture was taken in the UK. -- Interesting and unusual car even for England, made in Dudley which is near Birmingham. Car was made by company of ironfounders started in 1822. Made car parts 1911, and ammo shells in WW1. Purchased Perry Cars and introduced their own version in 1919. This is a cca 1922 Bean 11.9 Two-seater Tourer. 10,000 11.9 were made.

1922 Bean 11.9 Two-seater Toure

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 Hispano Suiza H6B Torpedo
Fuzzy and very distorted photo-of-a-photo received from Hermione Higgins, Melbourne (Australia) from a 1927 photo album. Sorry could not send better but is in an archive collection. Car was owned by a Melbourne solicitor so likely photographed in Australia, but he also visited England and Norway.  -- We have much re-aligned and improved on the photo, and noted stork radiator mascot of the French-Spanish luxury automobile: this is a  cca 1923 Hispano Suiza H6B Torpedo,  6.7L.

1923 Hispano Suiza H6B Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 FIAT 509 Saloon
Interesting photo-of-photo  sent to us by George Layton of Bracciano (Italy), advising new local greengrocer has decorated the shop with pics of old Bracciano. Could be Lancia but FIAT also had similar radiators ?
-- No not a Lancia, although the rad is similar. The give-away is the polished blob at the base of the radiator. We received other photo from George in 2014 when we advised that the blob is externally mounted generator.  Split windscreen suggests this is  cca 1925 FIAT 509 Saloon.

1925 FIAT 509 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Rugby Touring
Another period photo received from Charles Dagenais (France), but this one seems to have no background information. -- American car and a bit difficult because all the main identification items are hidden by people. However, our Mark Dawber has done some digging and advises this is a a Durant/Star/Rugby - depending on where it is. It seems RHD so possibly 'colonies' where Star name was already in use by the British Star car,  so this would be a  cca 1926 Rugby Touring, probably Model M. 

1926 Rugby Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1930 Hotchkiss AM 80 Saloon
Another photo received from our regular contributor Raoul Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from a batch of photos he purchased recently and has on line. Presumeably French car from the late 20s or 30s. Perhaps Hotchkiss or Talbot but couldn't find any matches. Intriguing lettering on the front bumper "RLT"; perhaps coachbuilder?  --   Definitely a Hotchkiss, a cca 1930 Hotchkiss AM 80. Not sure of the four seater coachwork, but car front rad looks AM 80 Antibes Faux Cabriolet Coupe.

1930 Hotchkiss AM 80 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934 DeSoto Airflow Sedan
While surfing the net on other matters I came across this unidentified photo and saved it for future investigation. I have now lost the reference as to where I saw it, so cannot acknowledge the origin or advise directly.  --  Immediate thought was Chrysler but the bonnet louvres did not match. More investigation advised it was a cca 1934 DeSoto Airflow Sedan, 6c 4900cc, a badge engineered Chrysler Airflow. Neither car was an outstanding success so both were discontinued 1936.

1934 DeSoto Airflow Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1951 Renault Juvaquatre Break
Cinema screen grab taken from a short French film " La Sonate à Kreutze" made in 1956 where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Based on Leo Tolstoy's short story named after Beethoven's Kreutzer Sonata. Story about a violinist running of with another's wife and being stabbed by him.  -- French car made by one of pioneers of the automobile industry. This is a cca 1951 Renault Juvaquatre Station Wagon, Renault Break 300Kg launched 1950. Became the Dauphinoise. 

1951 Renault Juvaquatre Break

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1980 Sterling Nova GT
Intriguing photo from S. Pupko of New York (USA) of car in Middle East, found recently by his brother. The make/model/year has him stumped and is keen to know more prior to possibly purchasing and restoring. --This is a variant of the Nova GT started in UK in 1971 by ADD in Southampton to 1973. Number of ownership changes to 1996 and licensed versions made in number of countries. In USA Sterling Sports Cars  in Pittsburg sell kits.  Was VW Beetle based,  but now also Subaru.

c1980 Sterling Nova GT

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown c 1910 Tourer
Puzzling photo received from Stewart Would (UK) asking if we are able to identify this car which was owned by the great uncle of man called David Say probably in East Yorkshire.  --  This one has been doing the rounds of our experts for the last few weeks and nobody has come up with a definitive identification. The most likely ID feature is the humped centre to the radiator which extends along the whole of the bonnet. Four  main suspects, mostly European, do not  have  matching features.

Unknown c 1910 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown 1930s open-top Tourer
Puzzling photo received from Joe Poras (USA) saying attached is a picture of his father taken around 1935. He lived in Vienna Austria and Joe is wondering what is the make of this car? I thank you in advance for your consideration. --  This photo has done the rounds of our experts but nobody has provided a definitive answer. Subsequently Adrian Pascu-Tulbure advised it was probably Steyr,  possibly a 200? Anybody who can  confirm the layout of  this cabin  please contact us and  advise.

Unknown 1930s open-top Tourer
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