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The SVVS Website currently receives
approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,
cars are in year order:
Page 55 below relates to enquiries received
during
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1902
Rochet Vis-a-Vis
A couple of interesting glass negatives
from a batch of 27 found in a shed in Devon by Tony Rowe (UK).
Dating the car could help date negatives. -- Started
an interesting search determining mistakes and confusion in web data.
This is a cca
1902 Rochet Vis-a-Vis, with a 4.5hp De
Dion engine, made in Lyon by Rochet Freres et Cie, and sold in UK by
British & Foreign Motor Car Co, Liverpool. No connection with Rochet
Schneider, Lyon or Ste Rochet, Paris. Interesting reversible front
seat.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1903 International Armstrong Tonneau
Puzzling photo received from Robin
Longbottom (UK)
sent on behalf Tony Ingham. It shows the Widdop family and on
board a vehicle in the village of Sutton in Craven, North Yorkshire. -- Very
unusual curling louvers ruled out many makes. Fortunately our John
Warburton felt the foreign look suggested a Charette but later 1902'3
International Armstrong Tonneau matched
identically. Imported car built in France. External radiator
matrix was common, but later add-on on to this car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1903
De Dietrich 24hp RE Tonneau
Photo received from Ian Elliot (Eire)
who owns Corravahan House in Drung, an
Irish Historic House open to the public. The photo is dated 1904
but he cannot quite find a match for this car. Could it be a 1903/4
Panhard et Levassor? Can we make an exact identification as it might
help identify the occupants.-- Sorry,
not a P&L, but it is French, from Alsace. This is a
cca 1903 De Dietrich 24HP Rear Entrance Tonneau
built in Luneville, based on Turcat Mery of Marseilles, made
on Panhard lines.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1906
Richard Brasier 25'36 Charabanc
Another photo received from our regular
contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal).
This is the first bus operating in Funchal
on the island of Madeira. It has the registration "4-M". A
Brasier?-- Almost,
actually a Richard-Brasier and quite early one. Georges Richard started
in 1897, made Vivinus under licence, and was joined by Henri Brasier, ex
Mors, in 1902. Brasier designed some big cars and went Gordon Bennett
racing. Won '04 - '05. This is a cca
1906 Richard Brasier 25'36, Charabanc
body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1907 De Dion Bouton
AU Tonneau
Another photo received from our regular
contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal).
This is a photo of a Berliet (?) crossing
de river Tagus long before the bridges were built. -- Sorry
no. The rad is most definitely a De Dion Bouton but closer study
suggested that I had seen this very car before. Bit of research advised
that this car in on our HELP Page 53 as a cca
1907 De Dion Bouton AU Rear Entrance Tonneau
from the newspaper "O Século" that covered the "Raid
Hípico" (horse race) 1907.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1907
Lorraine Dietrich 40'50
Another lovely photo received from our regular
contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal).
The photo is marked as a 1907
De-Dietrich 40-50 hp, 4 cylinder 8950 cc in chassis form, imported by
"Soc. Portuguesa de Automóveis" Lisbon, which I suppose is
correct? -- Sorry
not quite. SLAE De Dietrich (employing Ettore Bugatti) had factory in
Germany making Dietrich cars (stopped 1904) and in France making
Lorraine Dietrich. Therefore, this is a cca 1907'8 Lorraine
Dietrich 40'50 chassis.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1912 Argyll Light Fifteen Tourer
Another intriguing photo received from our regular
contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal).
In the photo are the first Taxis operating
in Funchal on the island of Madeira. The one with the registration 11-M
seams to be an Argyll, but the other three looks identical, can it be a
fleet of Argyll taxis?? -- They
certainly are Argyll's. The twin filler caps on the scuttle confirm
this. Exterior door handles on far left ones date as cca
1912 Argyll Light 15 or 20hp Tourer.
The others could possibly be little earlier.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1912
Bentall 16'20 Two-seater
Interesting and puzzling pre WW1 photo from
Bob Osborne (UK)
who would much appreciate the name of the maker of this
car. "Primrose" was painted yellow.-- Puzzling
registration NB 107 is from Manchester CBC, Summer 1919, but the car is much
pre WW1! Concentric circular rad limits the manufacturers and we feel
this is a cca
1912 Bentall 16'20 Two-seater. Bentalls
(1797-1984) were agricultural engineers and their cars in chassis form
were bought by farmers. Rads came from France.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1913
Hansa G12 Doppelphaeton
Another unusual car being investigated by
AutoPuzzles, and is one which we have identified. Being quite uncommon,
and therefore useful in spotting similar cars, it warrants a mention in
these pages. --
Quite an obscure model built in Germany for the Russian market. The logo
on the radiator reads in Cyrillic 'Ganza' whereas it is actually a
cca 1913 Hansa G12 36HP Tourer. Hansa
started in 1906 and merged with Lloyd in 1914. In 1929 they
became Goliath Bogward. Bogward
closed in 1961.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1914 Ford Model T Touring
Broken glass negative found in a shed by John
Thompson (UK).
There may be a connection between the cars and other photo plates
connected with Lord Eversley, Charles Kingston and Heckfield Place in
Hampshire. -- We
had first to have a go at repairing and cleaning the photo to be able to
have a stab as to make. Cleaning requires concentration on details which
soon identified this a cca
1914 Ford Model T Touring.
Dating from the lack of louvers and windscreen type.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1915
Wolseley 26'30 Chassis
Rather interesting photo received from Neil
Storey (UK) of
troops and cars somewhere in England in 1915.
Are they Talbots? -- Sorry
no. Initial thoughts Darracq from the height of the header tank, but as
quite obviously still in chassis form with wooden drivers' seats used
during delivery to the War Office, thoughts turned to vehicles used a
lot by the WO, Wolseley. Wolseley and Darracq have similar rads, and
confirmed by John Warburton as batch of WD 1914'18 Wolseley 26'30s.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Ford Model T Special Speedster
Lovely photo, which
got stuck in my Spam Filter, received from Darik Peet (USA)
saying nobody knows what kind of
car this is. Grandfather is on the right, and friends dad is at the
drivers seat. Hope you cats can help -- Darik
plays my kind of music
and is worth a listen!! The car looked complicated initially but the
sight of the aftermarket Hassler Shock Absorbers on a transverse spring
said this is a very non standard Ford
Model T Speedster. No standard
panels etc showing to help dating.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1922
Overland Model 91 Touring
Stripy photo received from
John Tucker of Spaxton in Somerset (UK)
taken in nearby Pightley Corner, all down Bridgewater way.
Would be very grateful to know the make and approximate date of the
car.-- At
fist glance looks a bit Model T-ish, but obviously is not. Looks
American and was made by second largest manufacturers of cars in USA in
1918. This is a cca
1922 Overland Model 91 Touring.
Overland became Willys, and was ended in 1926. Willys went on to make
the Willys MB, the Jeep.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca 1923 Ford Model T Touring
Unhelpful photo received from Jens Schou (Denmark)
saying that the car belonged to a brother of his
grandfather and the picture is shot around 1925 in Navr, Westjutland,
Denmark. Sorry about the quality of photo. Could it be a Fiat? -- No.
Most of the defining features of the car are either fuzzy of
hidden, but fortunately the overall impression of the car judging
from the body is cca 1923 Ford Model T Touring. Dating can be
taken from the louvers, from the bonnet,
windscreen and wheels.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1924 AC Royal Roadster
Damaged glass negative found in a shed by John
Thompson (UK).
There may be a connection between the cars and other photo plates
connected with Lord Eversley, Charles Kingston and Heckfield Place in
Hampshire. -- The
photo required a cleanup but the manufacturer is quite clear. This a cca
1924 AC Royal Roadster. Dating from
lack of louvers on the bonnet introduced after 1924. The Royal and
Empire were similar, the Royal being the De-Luxe version. Unusual headlamps?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925
Renault OS Charabanc
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a French 2011 TV Documentary "Louis Renault &
André Citroën, la course du siècle" (...the race of ther
century) where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. --
Renault cars and commercials were initially well known for having the
radiator at the back of the bonnet as a decorative brass item. In the
early 1920s they streamlined the radiator and scuttle, with exit louvers
for rad back inside. This is cca 1925 Renault OS Charabanc.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1925 American Sedan
Lovely photo received from Bill Bowen (USA)
taken probably in Madison, WI. Baby in
photo could be grandmother, Virginia Elaine Johnson born 1920. Dating car might help identify baby. -- Car is
big/expensive/well used, possibly
Gardner? Roof overhangs fashion started
cca 1922 and rectangular look lasted to about cca 1932.
Baby is about one, so photo c1921? No way. Dress expert Jayne
Shrimpton says hair/hemlines definitely
not '21 but late 30s/40s, to early 50s. Likely next generation.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:
1926 Austin Heavy 12'4 Tourer
Lovely rural photo received from
Tom Moore of Poole (UK)
taken in Shore Road, Pole, Dorset. All he could find out was
that car was registered in Berkshire, probably in Reading. --
MO is indeed Berkshire CC based in Reading,
issued 1926. There appears to be a bar between the wings going forward
of the radiator which is either a trick of light or later mod, because
the car has all the other attributes of a cca
1926 Austin Heavy 12-4 Tourer.
The car in the background is a Singer Junior.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1926
Rover 9'20 Super Sports
Intriguing photo
received from Neil McMurdo (UK)
taken near Burnmouth, Berwickshire, Scitland and on Facebook
page called Burnmouth Past . -- Actually
a very difficult one which we have not been able to crack and is on our
Help Page 51 as UNIDENTIFIED. However, our Tim Harding has come back to
us saying that he is certain that this racy thing is a cca 1926 Rover
9/20 Sports. He thinks the sportiveness was in the body!! Have
traced a Super Sports same shape!
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1928 Chevrolet National AB Touring
Another photo received from our regular
contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal)
sent to him asking for help. Looked
easy because of the shape of the radiator cowl but he couldn't
find anything like it. He think its European, maybe French?? -- Wrong
continent. The rad is most definitely American but was in use only a
short time, about one year, so easy to miss. Also the whole badge is
missing, showing only mounting holes, which doesn't help. This is
cca 1928 Chevrolet National AB Touring
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1936
Bogward Hansa 1100 Coupe
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
Quite a puzzling car initially with a
'traction' type front but a more teutonic type of back. Search therefore
concentrated on German manufacturers, and indeed a German 1935-37 car.
This is a cca 1936 Hansa 1100. Hansa and Lloyd merged in 1914 but were
bought in 1929 by Carl Bogward of Goliath. Eventually forced
to liquidation 1961.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1940
Ransomes MG2 Crawler
More identifications of vehicles on the
website
run by Ludham Village in the Norfolk Broads (UK) relating to
photos by resident Nita Townsend who was over 100 years
old. This little tractor features in several photographs. -- Interesting
little gadget made by the famous British agricultural machinery company
Ransomes of Ipswich. The MG2
Motor Garden Cultivator
introduced in 1936 at £135 used a Sturmley Archer 6hp engine, and
Roadless tracks at 2mph! New Model MG5 came in 1948.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca1946 Hillman Minx PH1 Saloon
Another Photo received from Job van Huizen
(Holland) asking if
the SVVS could help him identify this car ? It was present at a British
car meeting in Switzerland (Mollis). Looks a bit like a Vauxhall?
-- Not a
Vauxhall but another US owned British company. This one started in 1847
making bicycles, and cars by 1907. Taken over by Humber in 1929, who
were taken over by Rootes in 1931, became Chrysler 1967, sold to Peugeot
in 1979. This is a Hillman
Minx Saloon Phase I made
1940-47.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Unidentified
Tourer: Sizaire Berwick
Dark Blurry Photo received from
Chris Wiggins (UK)
who is trying to identify the car in the photo, which was a
French WW1 postcard. The card is titled "The War 1914-1918
- The Battle of Marne - The Ruins after the Germans Retreat. "
Suggested it might be a Graf & Stift. -- Remained
unidentified until John Warburton suggested it is one of the staff Sizaire
Berwicks used by Marshal Poincarre at
Vassancourt winter of 1914-15. Georges Sizaire was the General's
driver. No regn. number!
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Unidentified
Tourer
This photo has been doing the rounds of a
number of car websites and continues to remain unidentified. We received
it from our regular enquirer Joao Ferreira (Portugal)
on behalf of a friend. On board are some
relatives possibly his mother and aunts, traveling somewhere in
Portugal. -- Really
quite pretty unusual radiator on otherwise unexciting tourer built just
before WW1, possibly just after. Likely to be French. Does have
some resemblance to Panhard Levassor X19, but not quite.
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