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The SVVS Website currently receives
approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,
cars are in year order:
Page 59 below relates to enquiries received
during
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1903 Peugeot 5hp Type 54
Rather shaken photo received from our
Member Keith Piper (UK) who had taken it during his recent trip to New
Zealand. Photographed in a Wellington Museum but has lost his notes, so
can we help with the make and year. --
While immediate thoughts drift towards a
De Dion, lots of things wrong. The levers on the steering column are a
bit too short and there is a filler cap on the bonnet. Populaire of
1902? No, our John Warburton advises it is a cca
1903 5hp Type 54 Peugeot, 5hp 1 cyl 652cc
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1904
Brown 8'10 Two-Seater
Another lovely photo received from Tom
Cosens from Yorkshire (UK)
of an old car he didn't recognise. This is from his collection of postcard
curiosities on which he has no other background but which are needing
identification. -- I
has seen one like this before but could not remember what it was. Our
John Warburton/Tim Harding/David Hales had some other photos of BT 185
(registration is East Riding of Yorkshire CC) and identified is as a
Brown Bros cca
1904 Brown 8'10, then costing £220.00.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1907 FIAT Tourer
A couple of lovely photo received from
Stuart Andrews (UK) who
lectures on cruise ships on
travel and transport. One of the talks is on early cars and their impact
on culture and society, but is unable to identify the cars
concerned. -- Initially
thought Mercedes or FIAT and eventually advised by our colleague Casper
Friedrich that it is a cca 1907/8 FIAT, perhaps the 50'60 Tourer, driven
by FIAT agent Emil Salmson at the Swedish winter race
Stockholm-Gothenburg about 1908.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1908
Humber 15 Tourer
A photo received from Steven Everitt (UK) on
a postcard dated April 1911 but from the foliage, attire of the people
and the open windows, perhaps summer 1910 or earlier. Is it a Talbot?
The person who gave him the postcard thinks it a Rolls-Royce, so
our identification could help settle a good-natured disagreement!
-- Not
a Talbot as entirely different rad and, for same reason, definitely not
a Rolls. Quality car by at the time one of largest UK car makers, a cca
1908 Humber 15 Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1909
Rover 15 Tourer
A couple of lovely photo received from
Stuart Andrews (UK) who
lectures on cruise ships on
travel and transport. One of the talks is on early cars and their impact
on culture and society, but is unable to identify the cars
concerned. -- British made
by company making trickles in 1884, became the Rover Cycle Co in
1896, and had made nearly 1500 motorcycles by 1905. They won the car
Tourist Trophy 1907 with a heart shaped radiator, which was
repeated on this cca
1909 Rover 15 Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1910 Marion Model 10
Flyer
Another lovely photo received from Tom
Cosens from Yorkshire (UK)
of an old car he didn't recognise. This is from his collection of postcard
curiosities on which he has no other background but which are needing
identification. Grateful for any help. Thinks may be American. -- Our
John Warburton, with agreement of Ian Randall who has one, have
confirmed American and identified this as a Marion built in Indianapolis
1904/15. Ian thinks this is cca1910
Marion Model 10 Close Coupled Flyer
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1913
Humberette Light Car
A photo received from Geoff Procter,
Wiltshire (UK)
asking if we can help to identify this further? It was from a collection
of photos owned by James (Jim) Thomas (1891-1955) of Lewisham/Bermondsey
who ran a car hire business just after WWI. -- The
vehicle registration was issued by Essex County Council in very late
1913. The car is a Humberette.
Initial models were 998 air-cooled twins but a water
cooled 'Improved' version was introduced end of 1913 as a 1914 model.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1914
Mors Light Military Tender
Another photo received from Geoff Procter,
Wiltshire (UK)
from a collection
of photos owned by James (Jim) Thomas (1891-1955) of Lewisham/Bermondsey
who ran a car hire business just after WWI. This
is him driving a Mors 30th September 1914. -- Mors
radiators of the period had flat fronts hence we are a little concerned
about the dating. No numberplate. Commercial tender body. Likely a Mors
12/15HP, 2121cc. Perhaps rounded
radiator was new for 1915 models?
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1919
FIAT 505 Coupe-de-Ville
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our
regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. Do we know what this is?
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It is interesting that Flor keeps
coming up with pictures of mostly American vehicles in Romania. This
one makes a nice change, not being one. Made in Turin, Italy, by
Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino, and is a cca 1909 FIAT 505
Coupe-de-Ville, with the driver out in the cold under a canvass
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1919 Reo
The Fifth 30'35 Touring
Another lovely photo received from Tom
Cosens from Yorkshire (UK)
of an old car he didn't recognise. This is from his collection of postcard
curiosities on which he has no other background but which are needing
identification. Grateful for any help. Thinks may be American.-- Sure
is. The wheel hubs suggest the make, no bodywork separator behind the
front seat, coupled with multiple bonnet louvers, limit the year. This
is a cca1919 Reo the Fifth 30'35
Touring, strangely labeled The Farewell
car?
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1920
AGA 6'16 Type A Phaeton
A lovely photo received from Paul
Benjamin (UK) showing
his grandfather at the wheel possibly taken in Germany (where he grew
up) or in the UK (RHD?) after he moved here in the mid 1930s. -- It
is an AGA, not the Swedish kitchen range cooker, but the product of the
German Autogen Gas Akkumulator company making oxyacetylene accumulators.
Founded in 1915, gone by 1929. This is a cca
1920 AGA 6'16 photographed in
Germany ( plates ) and with a damaged rear wing.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1925
Studebaker Special Six Berline
Another photo received from Geoff Procter,
Wiltshire (UK)
from a collection
of photos owned by James (Jim) Thomas (1891-1955) of Lewisham/Bermondsey
who ran car hire business after WWI. Believed
to be a 1910 Studebaker hire car in Bermondsey?-- Nearly,
plus 15 yrs, this is a cca 1925 Studebaker Model EQ Special Six Berline. Note US
sidelights on bulkhead and additional UK sidelights on mudguards, and
optional disc wheels. Special Six has a fluted radiator
shell and bonnet.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925
Renault Type OS Bus
Cinema screen grab of a Vehicle which appeared in a
French documentary "Les Statues Meurent Aussi" (Statues
Also Die) made in 1953 where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. The documentary was about historical African Art and the
effect of how colonisation had an effect on how it was understood.
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Scuttle radiator, slightly rounded but flat front mudguards with
overhangs, and the lights not higher than mudguards suggest cca
1925 Renault OS Bus.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1926
Buick Master Six 7-seat Tourer
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our
regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
Photo is titled 'Averescu'. Alexandru
Averescu (left with white beard) was a Commander in WW1 and twice
became Prime Minister of Romania under King Ferdinand I. As this
is a cca
1926 Buick Master 6, the photo
was probably taken during the 1926 elections, becoming Premier.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1926 Street Scene, Watsonville
Cropped photo received from Tom N of
Watsonville (USA) of
downtown section of Watsonville, California, He is trying to figure out
the year of the picture based on the year of the cars in the photo.
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The two Model T Fords on left are pre
1920, similarly with the Hudson next to them, but the Buick next to
that has to be at least 1925. There is nothing much visible there that
is newer. Photo could be more recent but all cars look same age and
period so we would go for approx.
1926 , not much later.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1927
Chrysler 60 Sedan
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our
regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
It is interesting that Flor keeps
coming up with pictures of mostly American vehicles in Romania. This
is another one. Made in Detroit Michigan USA by a company which
had only been around for about four years. Difficult to say if
this is a two-door or a four-door but by the bullet headlamps it
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1927
Rover 10'25 Two-Seater
Tiny blurry low res photo received from
Robin Aikman (UK) saying
this photo was taken by his father at Lynmouth in Devon when he was on
his honeymoon in 1930. The car might be a Lea Francis? --
Can I please repeat the request to send
photos at BEST RESOLUTION possible, as it is the detail that provides
the identification. A 3 x 2 x 72dpi 17KB photo does not help
identification. Fortunately when enlarged, enhanced and sharpened
there is enough to say cca
1927 Rover 10'25 Two-Seater.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1928
Chevrolet National AB Sedan
Another batch of fascinating photographs from our
regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. Do we know what this is?
--
It is interesting that Flor keeps
coming up with pictures of mostly American vehicles in Romania. This
is another one. Made in Michigan USA by a company named after a
Swiss born French racing driver who had by that time left the
company. This is a cca1928
Chevrolet National Model AB Sedan
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1930 Chrysler Series 77 Phaeton
Another photo received from our regular
contributor Raoul
Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from
a batch of photos he purchased recently and has on line. Do we have any idea what
it is? He recognises the louvers but cannot place them. --
Registration seems of the UK pattern
but too many numbers so perhaps Colonies. Text on back is Dutch, so
perhaps South Africa. Boy Scouts in the background. Car is American
with Pennon bonnet louvers so is a cca
1930 Chrysler Series 77 Phaeton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1932
Hillman Minx Saloon
Photo received from John Dixon (UK) asking
if any chance we might identify his father's old car? Reg TK 8570 did
not help. Photo taken of him and sister in 1947. --
Light British
car with registration issued by Dorset County Council in 1932.
Identification feature is the light bar between the rad and mudguard
but not across the front. Our Tony Oakes spotted immediately it was a cca
1932 Hillman Minx Saloon. Introduced
in 1932-47, 1185cc four cylinder sidevalve, 30BHP, £155.00.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1938
Hudson 8 Special Sports
Another photo received from our regular
contributor Raoul
Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from
a batch of photos he purchased recently and has on line. The bodywork
looks German, but not the car. Could it be an American Car with a
German body. Do we have any idea what
it is? --
We had quickly identified this as a cca
1938 Hudson 8 Special Sports but Raoul
came back almost immediately advising he had actually identified it
himself. We will nevertheless count this as one of our
identifications !
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1948
Humber Hawk Mk2 Saloon
Another photo received from our regular
contributor Raoul
Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from
a batch of photos he purchased recently and has on line. He knows the
car on right is an Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire. What is on the left? --
Sapphire registration is 1956 issued by Blackburn CBC (Lancashire).
Registration of car on the left was issued by Brecknock County Borough
Council (South Wales) in 1948. Seems to have three windows suggesting
this is a 1948
Humber Hawk Mk2 Saloon.
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INFORMATION REQUIRED:Colour
of 1953 Record-breaking TR2
Help requested from Jean-Claude
Lebec (Belgium)
who is a model car collector and builder, who is about to build a
model of the 1953 Triumph TR2
that broke the speed record in Jabbeke, Belgium, in
1953. -- Mike
Ellis of the TR
Register, kindly
advised the colour was called Ice Blue, which was in reality, a light
greyish green. The only colour code reference that he had was ' Dockers
BF4575'. Good model can be seen on the website of
one of their Dutch Members Raymond
van Donk.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Unknown
mid-30s Supercar
Another photo received from Adrian
Pascu-Tulbure (UK)
relating to a blog on historic cars of Romania. -- Seems
a screngrab from a 1965 Franco-Romanian film "Star without
name" shot in Czechoslovakia and Romania. Coachbuilt car, European
appearance, mid 30s, identification features not clear. 1933 Skoda had
a fintail boot!! What seems quite wrong is a hole in the middle of the
rad; false, made for film? So poss Amilcar, Bugatti, Salmson, Delage,
Delahaye, Horch, Lancia, Daimler??
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Unknown
late 1950's Sports
A photo received from Thomas Horat (Switzerland)
aking us to identify the car on the right.
Photo was taken in 1961/2 in France (St. Raphael) during the honeymoon
of his parents. The woman is his mother. -- Great
puzzle this one, and none of our experts or external contributors could
name the car. There were a great number of Volkswagen and Porsche
bodybuilders, and as reg is Lucerne, a good guess is it could be
Swiss, from nearby Thun, cca1955 Beutler, horizontal grille,
so pr Volkswagen.
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