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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided :

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Page 22 below relates to enquiries received during 2010.Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1897 Benz Velo
Derek Oakensen  (UK) is currently compiling a catalogue of exhibits for the Old Police Cells Museum at Brighton Town Hall. Attached is a photo an early motor car said to have been the first in Eastbourne. Passenger is Harry Plumb, the Chief Constable of Eastbourne from 1893 to 1900. The car was not a police car as such; Eastbourne Watch Committee did not commence buying motor transport till some years later.  --  Our Bryan Goodman  who owns similar car  thinks it is a  cca 1897 Benz Velo.

1897 Benz Velo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1900 Protographer's Prop
Very interesting damaged period photo submitted by Mrs. Margaret Bernard (UK) saying she is sending this picture of her grandmother taken in Aberdour, Fife, at the turn of the century. She would like to know the name of the car and the year of manufacture.  --  We regret we cannot help with either because this is not a real car but a Photographers Prop made from painted scenery, like others on the Help Pages.  I have however repaired photo,  as I think it is rather nice. 

1900s Photographer's Prop Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1903 Stoewer 20 HP Tonneau
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden).   -- Our correspondents Rory Sinclair and  Lennart Haajanen both agree that this car is a 1903 Stoewer 20HP Tonneau from Germany. '... the mansard type of bonnet seems typical. Appears a Rear-entrance Tonneau  having seats in the front corners. Seems not to be chain driven. The letter P in the registration means a fairly large part of Swedish west coast north of Gothenburg centering on Älvsborg'.

1903 Stoewer 20HP Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1910 Napier Tourer
Another interesting cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a 1925 film "The Lost World" being investigated on IMCDB. This was a silent film and was adaptation of Arthur Conan Doyle's book of the same name featuring a brontosaurus marauding down London's River Thames.  -- The car featured in this scene is a cca 1910 Napier Tourer. the famous Napier claim to fame was initially manufacturing gun and bullet making machinery, as well as printers for stamps and banknotes. 

1910 Napier Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1912 Kelsey Motorette
Another unusual photo submitted by 'Grandpa' (USA) showing a three wheeled vehicle in California. This was an updated version of an Auto-Tri car first  made in 1898 by C W Kelsey. Motorette had a 7hp 2 cylinder 2-stroke engine built by Lycoming. Vehicles were exported including to Japan for where they were made as rickshaws. Engines full of sand put there by disgruntled striking workers damaged the reputation. Attempt to revive was by trans USA run but company lasted 1910-14, 210 made.

1912 Kelsey Motorette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1912 International Harvester
Damaged photo submitted by Darlene of Elk Grove Township in Lafayette County, Wisconsin (USA) showing her father and friend. It seems they saw the car and asked to be photographed in it.   --  I had a go at repairing the photo which had been damaged by sticky tape. The car is a cca 1912 International Harvester Motorwagon and was a "high wheeler" type of vehicle made in the USA. International Harvester Co. became  world  famous  for  their  tractors  and  agricultural  machinery.

1912 International Harvester Motorwagon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1914 Opel Tourer perhaps
Our correspondent Fer Cools (Holland) has sent us a curious photo of a car that had belonged to a director of one of the local coalmines. The town is near German border, and director lived in Germany. The license plate is Dutch from the province of Limburg.  --  Little lamps below the headlamps suggest Germany/Austria/Italy.  Austro-Fiat? Headlamp position is most unusual; poss later,  quite an "American" feature. Our expert  Tim Harding has suggested that it is "probably" a cca 1914 Opel.

1914 Opel Tourer possibly

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1921 Peerlesss Truck
Smashing posed photo received from H Hodgetts (UK) advising that the man at the front is his Great Uncle James Knight. The truck was bought army surplus after WW1 and was used on a daily contract to take logs from Windsor railway to a tile kiln in Winkfield Row, and to deliver fresh cut carnations to Southampton docks for the transatlantic liners. Truck was scrapped in the 1950's.   --  Registration says spring 1921 and our friends at the AACA advised a Peerless. Therefore a cca 1921 Peerless

1921 Peerless Truck

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1921 Franklin Brougham
Another interesting cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a 1925 film "The Lost World" being investigated on IMCDB. This was a silent film and was adaptation of Arthur Conan Doyle's book of the same name featuring a brontosaurus marauding down London's River Thames.  -- The car featured in this scene is a cca 1921 Franklin Brougham. The film was made in the USA and so was the Franklin. Longest lasting air cooled car make in the USA,  later with dummy rads.

1921 Franklin Brougham

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1923 Cleveland Tourer
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden) showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating.  -- Jan has habit of unearthing unusual cars and this is no exception. This is an American cca 1923 Cleveland Tourer manufactured in Cleveland Ohio by Cleveland Automobile Co. This eventually became part of the Chandler-Cleveland Corporation and offering cheaper cars, while using the Chandler engine.

1923 Cleveland Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1923 Essex Touring
Photograph received from Paul Weller who advised that it had been received on his WW2 forum website asking for identification and dating. The bonnet ornament is quite striking but he has not been able to place it. Any ideas?   --  The registration plate reads MF which is Middlesex County Council, and number 1188, mid 1923. Car is therefore a 1923 Essex Touring Phaeton. Essex were made by the US Hudson. Sidelights on mudguard suggest  UK  built car from factory in N. London.

1923 Essex Touring

ORIENTATION OF PHOTO: cca 1924 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost
Interesting photo posted by 'Grandpa' (USA) in standard or mirrored orientation asking for year of manufacture and coachbuilder. Our friends at  AACA have determined that the body is probably Brewster.   -- We can advise that when the 'Silver Lady' is much enlarged and sharpened it seems that Miss Thornton's left leg is forward of her right, making the mirrored photo, right, probably correct. On my car the left leg  is  distinctly  forward  but variants  of Spirit of Ecstasy  were  made.

1924 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1925 Durkopp Tourer
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden) showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. Jan has habit of finding unusual photos and this is no exception. The cars are parked in the middle of a lake on ice! -- This photo has done the rounds and it is now thought that this is a cca 1925 Durkopp Tourer. Shortage of photos of Durkopp cars during this period  has made  identification  quite difficult.

cca 1925 Durkopp Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1925 Praga Lorry
Another interesting cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a 1979 film "All Quiet on the Western Front" and in the 1992 film "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" being investigated on IMCDB. Our  (New Zealand) correspondent Mark Dawber suggested that it may be a De Dion. -- As both films appear to have been made in Czechoslovakia, we think this is a slightly modernised cca 1925 Praga Lorry. Praga were mainly a car manufacturer and at the time they were  the largest  in CS.

1925 Praga Truck

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1925 Voisin Coupe de Ville
Another interesting cinema screen grab of a car which appeared in a 1929 film "El misterio de la Puerta del Sol" being investigated on IMCDB. Our  (New Zealand) correspondent Mark Dawber suggested that it may be a Citroen -- We agree that this is a French car but much more 'exotic' as it carries the famous 'Cocotte' mascot designed by Gabriel Voisin. Mascot started as a joke but buyers clamored for them so it reluctantly became standard.  The car is  cca 1925 Voisin Coupe de Ville.

1925 Voisin Coupe de Ville

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1931 DKW F1 Cabriolet
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden) showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. Jan has habit of finding unusual photos.  --  Love the flying helmets, suggesting Germanic origin. The car is in fact a German cca 1931 DKW F1 Cabriolet. The 'F' denoted it was a front wheel drive car, and fitted with a two cylinder  600cc two stroke engine,  transversely mounted.  Some 250,000 made. 

1931 DKW F1 Cabriolet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1933 Fiat Balilla Saloon
Photo received from Rod McLean (Australia) asking identification of a Fiat that his Father has owned for some time and is considering selling. They don't know age or model. Thought to be 1928, but heard differing opinions. Have more photos of the interior if required. Father does have the engine from the vehicle; it is "in the shed!".   --  Relatively sure this the smaller brother of the 522, a cca 1933 Fiat Balilla Saloon. Badge dates year. Regret little value rebuilt UK, about £8,000. Not sure in Oz?

1933 Fiat Balilla Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1939 Adler Trumph Junior
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a film "Három szabólegények" being investigated on IMCDB. This was a film made in Hungary in 1982.  -- The car featured in this scene is a cca 1939 Adler Trumph Junior Cabriolet. Adler started in the bicycle business by importing American machines. Adler was in at the start of the German motor industry supplying wire wheels to pioneer cars being developed by  Karl Benz  and  Gottlieb Daimler.  Recently  famous  for  typewriters.

1939 Adler Trumph Junior Cabriolet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1945 Pokora Special
Interesting car photographed by Hugh (USA) at a meeting in America some 10 years ago. He had forgotten  what it was.   --  The registration plate reads EWX 459 which is a UK issue. The car was registered in September 1949 in the West Riding of Yorkshire as a POKORA. It is apparently still in existence, but off the road. Engine is given as 3499cc.  The Indian head mascot is a GUY lorry mascot with Guy Motors cut off. The badge appears to have letters PS,- Pokora Special perhaps.

1945_Pokora_Special

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1951 Opel Olympia Coach
Photo taken by Bob Pank (UK) on the island of Corfu not far from the ferry docks in 2008, who was interested to find out what it was.  --  We can advise that the car has a German origin and that it is a cca 1951 Opel Olympia CoachThere were three incarnations of the Olympia model:1935 to 1940, 1947 to 1953 and 1967 to 1970. The first use of the Olympia name was to celebrate the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games. Opel started in 1898  with bicycles  and became part of  US  GM  in 1931.

1951 Opel Olympia Coach

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1953 Studebaker Starliner
Photo received from Brian Irving of East Sussex (UK) saying this car was in a field in North Carolina alongside a couple of 1970's Dodge saloons. The 3 pointed star looks like an upside down Mercedes emblem. Any idea what it is?  --  Some say that in the USA this car is considered as much of a design icon as the E type was in UK. The car is a cca 1953 Studebaker Commander Starliner. The logo was replaced because  Mercedes  complained. Became a stylized  winged 8, as fitted with a V8

1953 Studebaker Commander Starliner

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1957 Austin FX3 London Taxi
Photo received from Debbi (USA) who is thinking about buying this 1957 Austin to restore. She would like to know the model. She believes that it is a 4 door, although the left front door is apparently missing.  --We can advise that this is a 1957 Austin FX3 London Taxi. Some 13,000 were made 1948 to 1958. RHD, it has no passenger door because all London taxis had an open space beside the driver for passenger luggage.  A good condition example is  now  being sold in US for $8,500. 

1957 Austin FX3 London Taxi

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1959 Autobianchi Bianchina Coupe
Photo submitted by Samantha (USA) showing her grandfather Lawrence Thomas, who died recently, with this car in approximately 1960. No one seems to be able to figure out what the car is.  -- We can advise that in view of the three chrome strips at the rear this car is a cca 1959 Autobianchi Bianchina Fiat 500 Transformabile Coupe. Company was co-owned by Fiat and Pirelli and made microcars from the mid 50s to late 60s. Vespa cars were similar in shape but no connection.

1959 Autobianchi Bianchina Transformabile Coupe

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1965 Lotus 11
Series of photos received from Bruce Fenster  (USA) taken at a race meeting in Laguna Seca, California, in 1965. There are four he can no longer recognise. Make and model would be great. Others can be seen on his website at http://www.netfenster.com/-- Our race-car expert Michel Gosset came back immediately saying that cars number 13 and 16 were Lotus 11. Designed by Colin Chapman, Lotus 11 was the last to be designed as a racing car  that could  also be legally used  on the road.

cca 1965 Lotus 11

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1980s Candia Transporter
Photo taken on the tiny Greek Island of Paxos by yours truly (UK) and thought to have been home made, but then came across a couple of other wrecks with the name 'Candia' just visible. Seems thousands of Candia Transporters were made in Crete and other Greek Islands by little agricultural workshops during the 1970/80s but were obsolete by the 1990s. Grossly over-engineered, but guess if stuck for months between gale lashed boats to the mainland in winter, - things must last.

1980s Candia Transporter

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As can be seen from our Help Pages we normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally we get stuck. Clicking on the photo on the right opens the page containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any help would be very much appreciated.

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