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The SVVS Website currently
receives approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage photo or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed, cars are in year
order:
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1897
Benz Vis-a-Vis Special
Another puzzling photo from Pär Sörliden (Sweden)
of imported vehicle, possibly modified
there. Suggestion a Daimler? --
Looks a bit like a Canstatt but enclosed rear
wheel hub and third row of seats. Ariejan
Bos advises this has elliptical springs not transverse and control
levers on steering, so is
c1897 Benz Victoria/Mylord vis-a-vis
with many mods; lowered chassis via bent front-back chassis bars,
possibly flat engine moved forward and wagonnette rear additional seats.
Very unusual car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1901
Panhard & Levassor Tonneau
Another interesting period photo from
Anthony Sparling (UK).
Reigate was his old stamping ground in 1950/60s and has found a
picture of a wonderful looking car with what looks like a single
headlight. --
Reigate has the main A217 to Brighton. Our
Ariejan Bos advises from asymmetric
location of the crank handle the car is a cca
1901 Panhar& Levassor Tonneau, protection plate and front axle correct, but bonnet
is more the racing type with its all-flat top and sides, poss
airbrushed.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Probably
1904 Corre 8HP Tonneau
Our member
Michel Gosset (France) spotted this photo
on a French facebook page. -- Very
interesting photo because although looking like Renault, this could
well be a cca
1904 Corre 8HP Tonneau Special, about
which a lawsuit was fought with Renault, which Corre lost and had to
sell company. However most interesting is that the wheels seem to have
unique pivoted sprung spokes, each compressing. Experiments with 'sprung
wheels' were common, no previous record found of this type.
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DENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905
Rolls-Royce 10 HP Two Seater
Smallish photo fro our Member Andrew
Randall (UK)
who is a keen Aston Martin owner, asking if we can identify car? --
Yes, this is a well known car photographed
outside the Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester. This is a
development of the Decauville originally owned by Henry Royce, one of
three Royce prototypes. This is the later cca 1905 Rolls-Royce 10 HP
Barker Park Phaeton, with triangular rad and bonnet, water-cooled
twin-cylinder engine of 1800 cc. 16-17 made, 4 survive.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907
Osterfied 18HP Tourer
Another interesting photo received via
Mark Dawber of one posted on Facebook by John Davies (UK)
looking for info. -- Badge
on rad reads Osterfield,
Reg is 1906, identified as 1907? 18HP? Tourer, but limited info on this
'British' car. Seems under the auspices of Douglas S Cox of West
Norwood, a 'Motor Dealer' but not known if 'manufacturer'. Listed two
models, a 19.6 four and 40HP eight. Previously had The Emerald 4HP
Voiturette 1903-4. Bought Weller fatory where in 1904 Autocarrier three
wheeler (AC Cobra!) started life, and made Osterfield
1906-09.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912
Gobron Brillie 12'20CV Torpedo
Puzzling photo from Pär Sörliden (Sweden)
we advised as Unknown WW1 Tourer
on HP
161. Par
subsequently researched the company in background suggesting car owner
was Karl Lindblom who had a Gobron car? --
'Gobron' followed on from Gobron Brillie, an advanced French maker of
large cars, Paris 1898 to 1930. Very few pictures of Gobron passenger
cars exist but much searhing and help from Ariejan Bos, we are now
relatively sure this is cca
1912 Gobron Brillie 12'20CV Torpedo
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Pescatore 30HP Tractor
Facebook photo from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) asking ID. Napier? --
No. Third incarnation of the Belgian
Pieper (hybrid!) vehicle1901/3. Patents taken over 1906 by
Belgian Auto-Mixte petro-eclectic vehicles; and renamed in 1912 as
Pescatore, largely for commercial vehicles; bodied in UK by Hora. This
one is a cca
1913 Pescatore Auto Mixte 30HP 5Ton Tractor pulling
a Vogt & Demeuse detachable 5 birth Auto-Salon for Baron de Crawhez
designed for safaris trough Algeria and Morocco.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
NAG K Series Doppelphaeton
Interesting photo received from Rafal
Dzbikowicz (Poland?) who
would very much appreciate if we could identify this car. Unfortunately
he has no details about it. -- The
stamp on the photo is unclear but suggests the stamp may have something
to do with Vilnius in Lithuania. This car was made in Berlin, Germany
by Neue Automobil-Gesellschaft originally owned by AEG in 1902, later
NAG-Protos. This is cca
1913 NAG K Series Doppelphaeton. K
series had six sizes from 10'14 to 50'60HP, 1912-14.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
Ford Model T Touring
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK)
was given this photo by one of his vintage Ford
friends. Any idea on car on the right? --
Lovely period photo of a tatty car and
bicycle workshop. Not much of the car on right is visible but this one
has an obvious transverse spring and angular bonnet. This is pre 1916
when bonnets became rounded, and has a smaller rad in height. The
scuttle has a small step in it suggesting this is cca
1913 Ford Model T with a British body
and probably 4 seat Touring.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913
LGOC B Type Double Decker Bus
Another request for identification from
our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a post requiring naming of vehicle. Sorry
mall photo. Marked as Kent --
Seems to be the 'Old Black Horse' Public House in Sidcup which is in
Kent, SE of London. The Bus on the right of the photo appears to have a
London CC registration LF 8183 which is likely early 1913. The bus is
on route 21 and is a
cca
1913 LGOC B Type Open-top Double Decker Bus number
B1383. Many were used in WW1.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914
Humberette 8HP Two-Seater
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK)
was given this photo by one of his vintage Ford
friends. Any idea on car on the left? --
Unusual view of the car with the bonnet
removed and no sign of numberpate which may have given an idea as to dating.
But photo does immediately give a couple of rather obvious clues, it is
a cyclecar with a transverse spring. Cyclecars were a sector of
economical motoring lasting over 10 years. This is British air
cooled cca
1914 Humberette V2 8HP Two-Seater.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Rover
6HP Registered 1914
Part of photo received from Julian Godridge (UK)
asking if we could help to identify his great grandad's car
please. -- Photo
was a bit distorted so we corrected. Car is British, made in Coventry
and was register4ed at London CC in late spring 1914 which is a bit
strange because the production of the model stopped 1911-12. Probably
previous owner wanted to keep the original numberplate. The car has
normal front springs, rather than transverse, so is a 6HP Rover
Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917 McCurd 5
Ton Charabanc
Another request for identification from
our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand). Marked as
Bedfordshire. -- A 'charabanc' (from
French 'cart with benches' for shooting parties) and later a
name for early motor-coaches without roof or sides/windows, popular
for works and church outings. The make is British, from Holborn,
London, this one with a Middlesex registration is a
cca 1917 McCurd 5
Ton Charabanc. One survivor on annual
Commercial Brighton Run as Tate & Lyle Van.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920
AEC/LGOC Type K Bus
Another request for identification from
our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a post requiring naming of vehicle. -- Registration seems
XC 8050 which is London County Council c July 1920. This is an
open top double decker bus in transit past the Black Horse in Sidcup to
Bexley on Route 407 and is a cca 1920 LGOC Type K. This range followed
the LGOC X Type and B Type from 1919 and was in general use in London
and surrounding areas by LGOC until about 1931.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922
Standard 11'14 SLO Saloon
Blurry photo via our
Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK)
from Member Jon Quiney wondering what car his Grandfather is standing
by. Pre 1920? -- The
car is English from Coventry, having undergone financial problems and
being sold to Triumph Cycle Co just pre WW1. From open sided rad
(1919+), header above bonnet and big flag, four louvres, big car so
this is the cca
1922 Standard 11'14 Standard Saloon,
1944cc four, These were made 1922 to 1926, also known as SLO4
13.9.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Gwynne-Albert
14'40 Tourer
Photo received from our
Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK)
wondering what the car in the crowd with a 'Rolls-Royce' type radiator
was, and where. -- He
then provided the 'where', it is in Tunbridge Wells. The vehicle is a
cca 1922 Gwynne-Albert Tourer. Registration is Kent CC. Albert used
Gwynne engines and were taken over by Gwynne in 1920. Probably the
later 14'40 1944cc car rather than the earlier 11.9 car, as it seems to
have semi-eliptics. No front brakes so is pre 1925.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924
Ford Model T Pickup
Large photo received from Neil
Jones (UK)
taken looking south west down Rownhams Road in North
Baddesley, near Southampton, Hampshire. -- Vehicle
is in the far distance but
fortunately, the vehicle has transverse front spring, rounded rather
than angular bonnet and from rear window appears to be a pickup. The
scuttle is curved and windscreen is rectangular. All suggests a cca
1924 Ford Model T Pickup, Would seem
Ford body. Registration too blurred so no help with dating.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Essex Six
Coach
Photo received from our
Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK)
wondering what is car on right. Hudson? Picture seems taken in Croydon, London. -- Car
was made by Hudson organisation, but is a cca 1925 Essex Six
Coach,
possibly assembled in England at Acton Vale by Hudson-Essex Motors of
GB Ltd. Hudson introduced Essex as a cheaper version of the Hudson in
1919. Essex was eventually replaced in 1932 by Terrapalane. Essex
had pointed rad, badge various colours, six sides.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925
Triumph 494 Model P Combination
Small blurry photo via our
Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK)
from Member Jon Quiney wondering what the motorcycle his Grandmother
is
on while on a holiday in Cornwall c1928? --
The registration is blurred, IW or JW
which is Londonderry or Wolverhampton. Our motorcycle sleuth Chas advises
motorcycle is a cca
1925 Triumph Model P of
494cc capacity which has a sidecar attached. The Model P debuted at the
1924 Motorcycle Show and was produced for next decade in N/ Q/ QA
forms.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926
Delage 14'40 DI Saloon
Another request for identification from
our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a post by James Tworow requiring naming of vehicle. -- Registration seems
YV which is London County Council early 1928. The Car is French, made in
the suburbs of Paris. It has front brakes so is after 1925 and has the
cross braced headlamp mounts which signify a cca
1926 Delage 14'40 DI Saloon 2.1L four.
Possibly Lalique rad mascot. Handbrake obviously suspect as needs two
bricks.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 Albion LK37 Dropside Lorry
Another request for identification from
our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand)
from a post requiring naming of vehicle. Sorry
mall photo. -- This photo has been
featured on many websites relating to photos about Christmas. Santa
Claus/Saint Nicholas is standing on the roof of a Scottish made
cca
1927 Albion LK37 Dropside Lorry made in Glasgow, giving presents in
variously named Hoxton /Hackney/ Leytonstone (NE London)
Children's Mission, but not the ID of the lorry.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927
Louis Chenard Saloon
Our regular contributor to the Gallery Pages, and member
Michel Gosset (France) spotted this photo
on a French facebook page and was puzzled as to make. --
A rather bent automobile, not immediately
obvious although the name is quite clearly visible on the radiator.
Looks French, and defined by our Fer
Cools as a cca
1927 Louis Chenard Saloon, probably
the 10HP, made in Colombes. No connection with Chenard & Walcker of
Paris. Cars were made between 1920 and 1932 low volume.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927
Willys Overland Whippet Touring
Blurry photo via our
Membership Secretary Chas Moody (UK)
from Member Jon Quiney wondering what the car his Uncle had on a holiday in Cornwall c1928?
-- The car is not
English but American, from Toledo, some assembled in UK by Crossley in Stockport,
others imported by Anglo-American. The model was introduced in 1926 as
a four and later six, and ceased 1931. This one was registered YE 9730
at London CC issued January 1927 and is cca
1927 Overland Willys Whippet Touring.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932
Mercedes Benz Lo2000 Lorry
Another request for identification from
our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a post requiring naming of vehicle. Marked as
London. -- Not
a Mercedes duble decker bus or trick photo, but a lorry in front of a
bus. Registration seems XY 1925 or YY 1932 , but as has newly
introduced 'Diesel' engine has to be YY, which is London CC and the
vehicle seems to be a cca
1932 Mercedes Benz Lo2000 Dropside Lorry,
probably as rare in London as the giraffe ! Olympia
Exhibition.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1938
Standard 8HP Saloon
Bit of a fuzzy photo received from Fred
W. Kennedy, a historical author from (Jamaica)
who is writing a biography of his father, Luis Fred Kennedy
(1908-1982). Book will be published Feb 2022. Could we identify the car
taken in late 1930s, belonged to his mother, Lydia Kennedy, who moved to
Jamaica in 1937. Is is a Morris Minor 1937?
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No, It is British, from Coventry, no
louvres on bonnet, no rear spare, the ensign 'flying' on the rad,
denotes a cca
1937 Standard 8HP Saloon.
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