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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1900
De Dion Bouton Surrey
Puzzling photo posted on the AACA website
by KingsBuff (USA) saying this is a
tintype picture of his great grandfather in an auto that appears to be a
studio prop (possibly at a fair or carnival). From his NYC police
uniform, the picture is late 1890's to early 1900's. --
Suggestion contributed that it could
be a de Dion Bouton which I doubted because of forward mounted control
column but our John Warburton confirmed cca1900
De Dion Bouton where this was a factory
option. See HP31
2nd.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1900
Locomobile Locosurrey
Another lovely photo found on the AACA
website posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden)
asking for ID. Two steamers and one petrol? --
These are cca
1900 Locomobile Locosurrey. A couple on
our Help Pages 15 and 27. The last car is also Locomobile but with a
condenser. Condensers were obligatory when the cars were exported to the
UK so would have been available locally too. All the cars have the same
D type front axle but longitudinal springs. The last car has
a Dos-a-Dos body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1903
Locomobile Steamer Stanhope
Another puzzling photo posted on the AACA website
by Aaron (USA) helping town's
Historical Society. -- Stanley
Steam Museum confirmed this is a 1903/4
Locomobile with side-tiller steering
and solid panel seat. The license plate was registered in 1907 to
Charles A. Packard of Townsend, Massachusetts, for a 4 1/2 HP Locomobile.
Mr. Packard was an engineer, and about 34 years old in 1907. If that is
him at the tiller, the woman beside him is likely his
mother, Ardella (Stearns) Packard.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904/5
Ford Model C Runabout
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a Sweedish 1955 film comedy "Sommarnattens leende"
(Smiles of a Summer Night) where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. The film was directed by Ingmar Bergman. --
Although the story and the film takes place in Sweden, the car portrayed
in this scene is American being a cca
1904/5 Ford Model C Runabout with Tonneau.
This was Ford Motor Company's second model of which 1,745
were manufactured. Model B came next.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1907 Aries 50HP Limousine
Photo received from Daniel Monard (France)
asking for help in identifying this car.
It is a German Postcard. No background information or date is available for this photo.
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This is a French car, a cca 1907 Aries
50HP Limousine. Interesting to note that the whole of the rear section
of the body can be lifted off via the eyehooks on the roof and replaced
by a summer body. Lugs are visible on the lower coach-line and a
mechanism is on the roof to hold the sections together.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1907
Lorraine Dietrich 24'30
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. -- Nice
period photo of a large family in their expensive big car. Pointers such
as radiator/bonnet profile,
raised lip to radiator surround, relatively small 'header tank',
relatively tall rad filler with cap missing (!!??), chain drive, wheel
nut numbers etc , indicate this is French and is a cca 1907 Lorraine
Dietrich 24'30 Roi-de-Belges Phaeton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909 Humber 16HP Landaulette
Another lovely photo found on the AACA
website posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden)
asking for ID. -- Although
immediate thought was Humber, couple of items seem not quite right; wide
sides to the radiator surround and relatively large rear hubs are not
Humber-like? The front mudguards would have had square sides. However
our experts are convinced that it is a cca
1909 Humber 16HP Landaulette. The
single spoke steering wheel and the long ball
ended side levers are Humber.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1909
Rover 16'20 Tourer
Photo
received from Peter Glazebrook (UK)
who advises the car belonged to his wife Joan's Great
Grandfather. From our website he thinks it could be a Rover 16'20.
Cannot date when the photograph was taken. --
It is certainly a Rover but the photo is a
little too small to make out specific details. The radiator seems to be
of the 'shield' type so the car has to be after 1907 and before 1911.
Thin scuttle tank and front door suggest it is a cca
1909 Rover 16'20 Tourer, or perhaps
15HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911
Stevens Duryea Model AA
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in an American silent film 1914 film comedy "Mabel's
Blunder" where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. The film is about a young woman who is secretly engaged to
the bosses son but spies on him dressed as a chauffeur. --
American car made in Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts by one half of the
earlier brother partnership in Duryea Motor Wagon Co. This is a cca
1911 Stevens Duryea Model AA Touring,
or possibly just later Model C.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1913
Vauxhall D Type Limousine
Photo
received from Sally Betts (UK)
who says this may be Great-Grandfather Jack Hawksworth born
1874 in Ashbourne Derbyshire or one of his brothers. To help identify,
can we identify car and approximate year. --
From numbers on bonnet, the car is a
British staff car, probably UK requisitioned, and is cca
1913 Vauxhall D Type Limousine. Many
D-types were used by the military, but normally with open tourer
bodywork. Safe to assume taken during or just after WW1.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1914 Hupmobile 32 Touring
Lovely photo found on the AACA website
posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden)
asking for identification. -- The
rear hub is thin and flat, and is large diameter with five studs, and
the front is small with multiple studs. The headlamps are very high with
thin twin upright brackets. The bonnet hinge appears to slope forward.
Seems European body. Unusual windscreen with no scuttle cover. All other pointers suggest a Detroit American
made chassis, which is a cca
1914 Hupmobile 32 Touring.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1920
FN 2150 Open Tourer
Another nice photo received from our regular
contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal).
He says this photo was taken on the
road from São Brás de Alportel to Faro in Algarve. A car stopps to
help a damaged bus. Is it a Talbot Darracq or Sunbeam ??
-- Regretfully
neither. This car was made in Belgium by the National Factory of Weapons
of War in Herstal. It still very much exists and their US subsidiary
manufactures rifles and machine guns for the US Military. This is cca
1920 FN 2150 Open Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1924
Cadillac V63 Eight Phaeton
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. -- We
had some difficulty with this one as was not expecting this car in
Romania and not with wire wheels. Contacted Florin for bigger scan but
he came back with his own research saying Cadillac. Further
investigation confirmed no later than 1925 as painted rad and no earlier
than 1924 as bowl headlamps; so cca
1924 Cadillac V63 Eight Phaeton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1924
Bean 11.9 Two-Seater
Intriguing photo
received from Bjorn Risi (UK)
which shows his Great Uncle, Sammy Risi. Sammy Risi was running
the family ice cream business in Newcastle upon Tyne, England and was
believed to be something of business showman and playboy! Can we
identify the car. --
The initial thought was it might be a FIAT.
It is in fact an English car built in Staffordshire, a cca
1924 Bean 11.9 Two-seater. The design
of his model was purchased in 1919 from the Perry Motor Co, Birmingham.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1925
Oakland 6'54 Touring
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
Two photos of this car with the head-on
shot clearly showing the Oakland logo. Oakland was made by a company
originally started in 1893 and called the Pontiac Buggy Co in Pontiac,
(Oakland County), Michigan. As there was an existing Pontiac car brand,
the first Oakland car appears in 1907. This one is cca
1925 Oakland 6'54 Touring.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1925
Chrysler B70 Phaeton
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. Photo was taken in 1929 on the
Romanian/Hungarian border and the car was registred in Sibiu in Romania.
-- Nice
period photo of wife probably being taken by husband posing with the
boarder guards, unless husband was one of the guards. The car is
American and from the winged radiator filler we can tell it is cca 1925 Chrysler
B70 Phaeton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1928
Pontiac Two Door Sedan
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
This seems to be a General Motors product,
and the only make that fits is a Pontiac. Much heated debate has taken
place as to whether these two photos were separate models or if it
was a cleaver later major update. The jury is still out. Scuttle lights
and nearby body line molding details suggests this is a cca
1928 Pontiac Two-Door Sedan.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1929
Chevrolet Model AC Phaeton
Batch of photos
received from Gwyn Morgan from Oxfordshire (UK)
taken in a lockup in Spain. Can we tell him the make of the car? --
The radiator badge is missing but the
indented shape is still there. The car is American and could have been
made in one of nine manufacturing plants. Each plant has a serial number
so each can be traced. The badge shape pinpoints the earliest date and
straight headlight bar, the latest. This is 1929'30
Chevrolet Model AC Four Door Phaeton.
1.3M ACs made.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1932 Opel 1.2 Carbiolet
Another fab photo received from our regular
contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal).
He says this photo was taken in the North
of Portugal (not in Moscow), and the car looks like an Opel ??
-- That is
certainly some snowdrift, or was it possibly an avalanche. Photo
was taken in Searra da Estrela which is the highest mountain range in
Portugal at 1,993m, and is the only mountin to come up white on
GoogleMaps. Twin headlight bars confirm the car is indeed a cca
1932 Opel 1.2 Cabriolet, or the 1.8L.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1934
Chrysler CA Roadster
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
Interesting photo of a rather magnificent
roadster being craned on board ship via a loading cradle. The car is
rather small in definition but there are a couple of strong pointers to
it being a cca
1934 Chrysler Model CA Roadster;
'suicide' doors, twin hinges, chromed handle spare wheel support,
horisontal louvres, and single windscreen.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1934
Mathis TY Cabriolet
Another unusual car submitted by Vincent
Juvenelle to be investigated at PreWarCar, and is one which we have identified. Being quite uncommon,
and therefore useful in spotting similar cars, it warrants a mention in
these pages. --
The company was founded in Germany but this car was built in France,
despite no move of the factory. This is a cca
1934 Mathis TY Cabriolet, recognisable
from the slanted louvres and 'suicide' doors. In 1920s Mathis was 4th
biggest in France. Closed 1950.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca
1934 Citroen Rosalie
Current photo received from Steve Higgins,
Manchester (UK)
taken in the Loire, France, at a vintage car rally. 'There doesn't seem
to be any badges on the vehicle' but he always wondered what it was. A
colleague suggested a Citroen. --
Citroen indeed, and probably a Rosalie
of cca 1934. I think it is intended to
look like a replica of the series of Citroen cars in the 1931/35 period
when the oil company Yacco carried out a series of record breaking runs
at Montlhery with special bodied Citroens.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1939
Opel Kapitan Saloon
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
This one confused me as it had all the
makings of an American car but did not match any, nor was it one of the
American based Russian cars. Rectangular headlight surround and horizontal
louvers. Fortunately Hanski from Finland reminded me there were American
based European cars and that this is a cca
1939 Opel Kapitan.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1951 Daimler DB18 Consort Saloon
Photo
received from Aikin Aikinsete (UK)
asking if we can identify this Classic Car. --
From the fluted radiator we can deduce that
the car was made by the oldest British car manufacturer The Daimler
Company Ltd, founded in 1896. Initially the cars were imported from
Cannstatt in Germany but from 1897 were UK made. In 1909 they were taken
over by BSA. From the sidelights horisontally adjacent to the headlamps,
this is a cca
1951 Daimler DB 18 Consort Saloon.
4250 made 1950-53.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Probably cca1914 NAG
Two-Seater
Another from a new lovely batch of photos
received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania)
who is interested in old cars of Romania. --
Very difficult
this one as all the relevant bits are obscured by people, and it is an unhelpful
side view. It seems to have a round radiator concentric without a flat
on the top. Bodywork suggests 1912 to post WW1. Rounded mudguards could
be later. Quite big car. 10-12 wheels. Best guess is cca
1914 NAG K2 10'12 Two-Seater
with Dickey.
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