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Page 56 below relates to enquiries received during 2013Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1900 De Dion Bouton Surrey
Puzzling photo posted on the AACA website by KingsBuff (USA) saying this is a tintype picture of his great grandfather in an auto that appears to be a studio prop (possibly at a fair or carnival). From his NYC police uniform, the picture is late 1890's to early 1900's. --  Suggestion contributed that  it could be a de Dion Bouton which I doubted because of forward mounted control column but our John Warburton confirmed cca1900 De Dion Bouton where this was a factory option. See HP31 2nd.

1900 De Dion Bouton Vis-a-vis with optional forward controls

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1900 Locomobile Locosurrey
Another lovely photo found on the AACA website posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden) asking for ID. Two steamers and one petrol? -- These are cca 1900 Locomobile Locosurrey. A couple on our Help Pages 15 and 27. The last car is also Locomobile but with a condenser. Condensers were obligatory when the cars were exported to the UK so would have been available locally too. All the cars have the same D type front axle  but longitudinal springs.  The last car has a  Dos-a-Dos  body.

1900 Locomobile Locosurrey Steamers

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 Locomobile Steamer Stanhope
Another puzzling photo posted on the AACA website by Aaron (USA) helping town's Historical Society. -- Stanley Steam Museum confirmed this is a 1903/4 Locomobile with side-tiller steering and solid panel seat. The license plate  was registered in 1907 to Charles A. Packard of Townsend, Massachusetts, for a 4 1/2 HP Locomobile. Mr. Packard was an engineer, and about 34 years old in 1907. If that is him at the tiller, the woman  beside him  is likely  his mother,  Ardella (Stearns) Packard.

1903 Locomobile Steamer Stanhope

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904/5 Ford Model C Runabout
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a Sweedish 1955 film comedy "Sommarnattens leende" (Smiles of a Summer Night) where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. The film was directed by Ingmar Bergman. -- Although the story and the film takes place in Sweden, the car portrayed in this scene is American being a cca 1904/5 Ford Model C Runabout with Tonneau. This was Ford Motor Company's second model of which  1,745  were manufactured.  Model B  came next.

1904 Ford Model C Runabout with Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Aries 50HP Limousine
Photo received from Daniel Monard (France) asking for help in identifying this car. It is a German Postcard. No background information or date is available for this photo.  -- This is a French car, a cca 1907 Aries 50HP Limousine. Interesting to note that the whole of the rear section of the body can be lifted off via the eyehooks on the roof and replaced by a summer body. Lugs are visible on the lower coach-line and a mechanism is on the roof to hold the sections together.

1907 Aries 50HP Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Lorraine Dietrich  24'30
Another from a new lovely batch of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  -- Nice period photo of a large family in their expensive big car. Pointers such as  radiator/bonnet profile, raised lip to radiator surround, relatively small 'header tank', relatively tall rad filler with cap missing (!!??), chain drive, wheel nut numbers etc , indicate this is French and is a cca 1907 Lorraine Dietrich 24'30 Roi-de-Belges Phaeton.

1907 Lorraine Dietrich 24'30 Roi-de-Belges Double Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909 Humber 16HP Landaulette
Another lovely photo found on the AACA website posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden) asking for ID. -- Although immediate thought was Humber, couple of items seem not quite right; wide sides to the radiator surround and relatively large rear hubs are not Humber-like? The front mudguards would have had square sides. However our experts are convinced that it is a cca 1909 Humber 16HP Landaulette. The single spoke  steering wheel  and the long  ball ended  side levers are  Humber.

1909 Humber 16HP Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Rover 16'20 Tourer
Photo received from Peter Glazebrook (UK) who advises the car belonged to his wife Joan's Great Grandfather. From our website he thinks it could be a Rover 16'20. Cannot date when the photograph was taken.  --  It is certainly a Rover but the photo is a little too small to make out specific details. The radiator seems to be of the 'shield' type so the car has to be after 1907 and before 1911. Thin scuttle tank and front door suggest it is a cca 1909 Rover 16'20 Tourer, or perhaps 15HP.

1909 Rover 16'20 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Stevens Duryea Model AA
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in an American silent film 1914 film comedy "Mabel's Blunder" where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. The film is about a young woman who is secretly engaged to the bosses son but spies on him dressed as a chauffeur. -- American car made in Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts by one half of the earlier brother partnership in Duryea Motor Wagon Co. This is a cca 1911 Stevens Duryea Model AA Touring,  or  possibly just later  Model C.

1911 Stevens Duryea Model AA Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Vauxhall D Type Limousine
Photo received from Sally Betts (UK) who says this may be  Great-Grandfather Jack Hawksworth born 1874 in Ashbourne Derbyshire or one of his brothers. To help identify, can we identify car and approximate year. --  From numbers on bonnet, the car is a British staff car, probably UK requisitioned, and is cca 1913 Vauxhall D Type Limousine. Many D-types were used by the military, but normally with open tourer bodywork.  Safe to assume taken during or just after WW1.

1913 Vauxhall D Type Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1914 Hupmobile 32 Touring
Lovely photo found on the AACA website posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden) asking for identification. --  The rear hub is thin and flat, and is large diameter with five studs, and the front is small with multiple studs. The headlamps are very high with thin twin upright brackets. The bonnet hinge appears to slope forward. Seems European body. Unusual windscreen with no scuttle cover. All other pointers suggest a Detroit American  made  chassis,  which  is  a  cca  1914  Hupmobile  32 Touring.

1914 Hupmobile 32 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 FN 2150 Open Tourer
Another nice photo received from our regular contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal)
. He says this photo was taken on the road from São Brás de Alportel to Faro in Algarve. A car stopps to help a damaged bus. Is it a Talbot Darracq or Sunbeam ?? -- Regretfully neither. This car was made in Belgium by the National Factory of Weapons of War in Herstal. It still very much exists and their US subsidiary manufactures rifles and machine guns for the US Military. This is cca 1920 FN 2150 Open Tourer

1920 FN 2150 Open Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Cadillac V63 Eight Phaeton
Another from a new lovely batch of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.   -- We had some difficulty with this one as was not expecting this car in Romania and not with wire wheels. Contacted Florin for bigger scan but he came back with his own research saying Cadillac. Further investigation confirmed no later than 1925 as painted rad and no earlier than  1924  as bowl headlamps;  so cca 1924 Cadillac V63 Eight Phaeton.

1924 Cadillac V63 Eight Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Bean 11.9 Two-Seater
Intriguing photo received from Bjorn Risi (UK) which shows his Great Uncle, Sammy Risi. Sammy Risi was running the family ice cream business in Newcastle upon Tyne, England and was believed to be something of business showman and playboy! Can we identify the car.  --  The initial thought was it might be a FIAT. It is in fact an English car built in Staffordshire, a cca 1924 Bean 11.9 Two-seater. The design of his model was purchased in 1919 from the Perry Motor Co, Birmingham.

1924 Bean 11.9 Two-Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Oakland 6'54 Touring
Another from a new lovely batch of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  --  Two photos of this car with the head-on shot clearly showing the Oakland logo. Oakland was made by a company originally started in 1893 and called the Pontiac Buggy Co in Pontiac, (Oakland County), Michigan. As there was an existing Pontiac car brand, the first Oakland car appears in 1907. This one is cca 1925 Oakland 6'54 Touring.

1925 Oakland 6'54 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Chrysler B70 Phaeton
Another from a new lovely batch of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania. Photo was taken in 1929 on the Romanian/Hungarian border and the car was registred in Sibiu in Romania.   -- Nice period photo of wife probably being taken by husband posing with the boarder guards, unless husband was one of the guards. The car is American and from the winged radiator filler we can tell it is cca 1925 Chrysler B70 Phaeton.

1925 Chrysler B70 Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 Pontiac Two Door Sedan
Another from a new lovely batch of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  --  This seems to be a General Motors product, and the only make that fits is a Pontiac. Much heated debate has taken place as to whether these two photos were separate models or if it  was a cleaver later major update. The jury is still out. Scuttle lights and nearby body line molding details suggests this is a cca 1928 Pontiac Two-Door Sedan.

1928 Pontiac_Two Door Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 Chevrolet Model AC Phaeton
Batch of photos received from Gwyn Morgan from Oxfordshire (UK) taken in a lockup in Spain. Can we tell him the make of the car?  --  The radiator badge is missing but the indented shape is still there. The car is American and could have been made in one of nine manufacturing plants. Each plant has a serial number so each can be traced. The badge shape pinpoints the earliest date and straight headlight bar, the latest. This is  1929'30 Chevrolet Model AC Four Door Phaeton. 1.3M ACs made.

1929 Chevrolet Model AC Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Opel 1.2 Carbiolet
Another fab photo received from our regular contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal). He says this photo was taken in the North of Portugal (not in Moscow), and the car looks like an Opel ??  -- That is certainly some snowdrift, or was it possibly an avalanche. Photo was taken in Searra da Estrela which is the highest mountain range in Portugal at 1,993m, and is the only mountin to come up white on GoogleMaps. Twin headlight bars confirm the car is indeed a cca 1932 Opel 1.2 Cabriolet, or the 1.8L.

1932 Opel 1.2 Carbiolet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934 Chrysler CA Roadster
Another from a new lovely batch of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  --  Interesting photo of a rather magnificent roadster being craned on board ship via a loading cradle. The car is rather small in definition but there are a couple of strong pointers to it being a cca 1934 Chrysler Model CA Roadster; 'suicide' doors, twin hinges, chromed handle spare wheel support,  horisontal louvres,  and single windscreen. 

1934 Chrysler Model CA Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934 Mathis TY Cabriolet
Another unusual car submitted by Vincent Juvenelle to be investigated at PreWarCar, and is one which we have identified. Being quite uncommon, and therefore useful in spotting similar cars, it warrants a mention in these pages. --  The company was founded in Germany but this car was built in France, despite no move of the factory. This is a cca 1934 Mathis TY Cabriolet, recognisable from the slanted louvres and 'suicide' doors. In 1920s Mathis was 4th biggest in France. Closed 1950.

1934 Mathis TY Cabriolet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1934 Citroen Rosalie
Current photo received from Steve Higgins, Manchester (UK) taken in the Loire, France, at a vintage car rally. 'There doesn't seem to be any badges on the vehicle' but he always wondered what it was. A colleague suggested a Citroen. --  Citroen indeed, and probably a Rosalie of cca 1934. I think it is intended to look like a replica of the series of Citroen cars in the 1931/35 period when the oil company Yacco carried out a series of record breaking runs at Montlhery with special bodied Citroens.

cca1934 Citroen Rosalie

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1939 Opel Kapitan Saloon
Another from a new lovely batch of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  --  This one confused me as it had all the makings of an American car but did not match any, nor was it one of the American based Russian cars. Rectangular headlight surround and horizontal louvers. Fortunately Hanski from Finland reminded me there were American based European cars and that this is a cca 1939 Opel Kapitan.

1939 Opel Kapitan Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1951 Daimler DB18 Consort Saloon
Photo received from Aikin Aikinsete (UK) asking if we can identify this Classic Car. --  From the fluted radiator we can deduce that the car was made by the oldest British car manufacturer The Daimler Company Ltd, founded in 1896. Initially the cars were imported from Cannstatt in Germany but from 1897 were UK made. In 1909 they were taken over by BSA. From the sidelights horisontally adjacent to the headlamps, this is  a cca 1951  Daimler  DB 18  Consort Saloon. 4250  made 1950-53.

1951 Daimler DB18 Consort Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Probably cca1914 NAG Two-Seater
Another from a new lovely batch of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  --  Very difficult this one as all the relevant bits are obscured by people, and it is an unhelpful side view. It seems to have a round radiator concentric without a flat on the top. Bodywork suggests 1912 to post WW1. Rounded mudguards could be later. Quite big car. 10-12 wheels. Best guess is  cca 1914  NAG  K2 10'12 Two-Seater  with Dickey.

Probably cca1914 NAG Two-Seater and Dickey
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