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Monaco Motor Museum:
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Historic Vehicle Display; Jackie Shearman;  Tel: 01737 645843
Ardingly Vintage Vehicle Show:
Maurice Drew, 12 Springfield Rd, Larkfield, Kent ME20 6JE
Lingfield Steam Show:
Enquiries to Joan/Brian Donkin
Tel: 0208 295 1510 
Redhill Steam Fair : 13/14 Aug
Ken Robinson, Tel 01293 771980
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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided :

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Page 30 below relates to enquiries received during 2010.Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1902 Weston Steamer Runabout
Photo received from Bill Lovelock from USA currently in Jakarta (Indonesia) inherited from an auntie in Essex UK.  --  Appearance similar to many USA steamers but unusual in having curly spring hangers, forward bodywork and central tiller. Extremely unusual car identified by John Warburton as a cca 1902 Grout Steamer Runabout made in Orange Massachusetts and sold in the UK as a Weston. Later petrol.  Note  the shiny  foot bell  under  the floor.  Closed down in 1912.

1902 Weston Steamer Runabout by Grout

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 Automotor Runabout
'A rather fine photograph' provided by Charles Huff (UK) of his grand parents and eldest aunt in their two-seater. Mother thought it was the first privately owned car in Bath. -- Could well be. We have to thank Rory Sinclair for this very unusual identification of a cca 1903 Automotor 4HP Runabout. Made in Springfield, Mass., USA, between 1901 and 1904. Bigger cars alluminium bodied, Runabouts were made using single cylinder De Dion Bouton engines. Designer went to Duryea.

1903 Automotor 4HP Runabout

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 CGV 3/4 Landaulet Mulbacher
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in an American Documentary " Horatio's Drive: America's First Road Trip" made in 2003, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. --  This is a cca 1904 CGV Landaulet Trois Quarts 15 HP Mulbacher.  Charron, Giradot et Voigt were French and imported to USA (and for a while made by) Smith and Mabley as American CGV. Local bodies were made by J N Quinby  in  Rome,  Newark.  Click for similar recent vehicle.

1904 CGV Landaulet Trois Quarts Mulbacher

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1906 Starling Two Seater
Another photo received from Juha Kaitanen, Turku, (Finland) which has done the rounds of AACA and many of our learned experts without ident.  -- Not really surprising because this is a most unusual car. Juha found mention of it. British from Wolverhampton, made by the Star Cycle Co between 1906 and 1908, it is a cca 1906 Starling Two Seater using a De Dion Bouton Engine with armoured wood frame and chain drive. Part of Star Motors, Star Cycle Co subsequently became 'Britton'.

1906 Starling Two Seater

IDENTIFICATION & DATING:1908 International Harvester Runabout
Photo received from our Singer expert Simon Bishop (UK) purchased at a boot fair. Notated 'Yudnamutana March 1915', people are named and 'foot geologist'. A copper mine in the mid 1800s in arid bit of South Australia; draught caused closure as water not available for the animals. New attempt made in early 1900s but abandoned. Perhaps this was part of attempt. The car is confirmed as a cca 1908 International Harvester Runabout , two cylinders opposed petrol, air cooled. Sq. tank.

1908 International Harvester Runabout in Yudnamutana

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Belzize 14'16 Tourer
A jolly photo received from David Milsom (UK) of a car which belonged to his friend's Gt. Grandfather. It has a Huddersfield registration and the photo was taken in Golcar. Could we please provide any information of the model, horsepower etc.  --  Unfortunately no dating info available from the reg as records have been lost, but we can advise that the car is a British built in Manchester cca 1909 Belsize 14'16 Hp Tourer. Model was  introduced  for  the  1909  season,  but  the car  has an  earlier feel.

1909 Belsize 14'16 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1910 Kissel Kar Touring
Great photo posted by West Peterson, Dayton (USA) on the AACA 'What is it?' forum' which has been so helpful to us in the past. Quite an unusual car identified by Chris Paulsen as a Kissel Kar. Photo is titled 1905 Michigan but this is probably a mistake as Kissels only started up in 1907. From the rounded mudguards and no driver's door, has to be 1910/11 Kissel Kar Touring. Had front doors by 1912. Good quality car made by German emigree family in USA,  Hartford,  Wisconsin, to 1931.

1910 Kissel Kar Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Rothwell 15HP Tourer
A lovely photo sent to us by one of our regular contributors and experts John Warburton (UK) of a very unusual car indeed. This is a cca 1911 Rothwell 15HP Tourer made by Eclipse Machinery Co, Oldham, Lancs. John has just written a book "Rothwell of Oldham" published by Eclipse Publishing, Distributed by Dr. Kershaw's Hospice (0161 624 9984). From sewing and knitting machines, to cycles, motorcycles and motor vehicles. Several hundred Rothwell cars and commercials 1901 to 1919.

1911 Rothwell 15HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 BSA 13.9 Tourer
Photo received from Kevin Crowe of Rotorua, (New Zealand) showing his grandfather and family members. He used the car as a taxi in Hamilton, New Zealand around 1920.   -- From the logo on the rad the car is a cca 1912 BSA 13.9HP Tourer. Birmingham Small Arms Co made guns, cars, and the BSA Motorcycle. During this period BSA had taken over Daimler who thereafter built badged cars, of which this is one. One model  policy of  13.9HP  but with body type  and  shape of rad changes.

1912 BSA 13.9 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Paige Beverley Roadster
A photo received so long ago that we have lost the details of the sender from the (USA). The photo has been on the Unidentified Page for some time but we have now had contact from Noel Adams who says that  what looks like a home built roadster is in fact a cca 1912 Paige Beverley. The body may have been factory fitted as he has one of these bodies and it is the third he has seen. Regretfully we do not have very much information on Paige Beverley, so cannot confirm positively.

1912 Paige Beverley Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Wolseley 16'20 Tourer
Photo received from Tim Groome of Fareham, (UK) showing his recently "discovered" uncle Hamilton Denman Groom with an unidentified lady in Australia during the First World War. He had been suitor of Dame Nellie Melba, but DNM Museum in Melbourne said not her.   -- Registration looks British, Tynemouth CBC, cca '04, and the AA badge is British pre 1911; but this is a cca 1912 Wolseley Tourer, probably the 16'20. Reg and AA badge transferred to new car,  and then trans-shipped to  Oz??

1912 Wolseley Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Delage Type A Tourer
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a
French Film "Toute Une Vie" made in 1974, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Film begins in pre World War 1 era and was shot separately in French and English.   --  The photo is a bit blurred but the twin fillers on the bulkhead suggest a Delage, as does the rad. Delage produced vehicles for the French amy during WW1. Relatively sure sure that the vehicle depicted is a French cca 1914 Delage Type A.

1914 Delage Type A Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1915 Detroiter Touring
A photo received from Juha Kaitanen, Turku, (Finland) and also sent to AACA.  -- The AACA did not come up with anything which meant that the car was very unusual. It has a highly unusual 'upper lip' type of radiator header tank (some refer to it as "cro-magnon" upper radiator "brow"). Our experts came up with nowt, but my diligent searching came up with it being a cca 1915 Detroiter Touring; wheel hubs match, bonnet without louvers, coachwork, and they had distributor in Finland.

1915 Detroiter Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1918 Republic Motor Bus
An interesting period photo received from Bruce Kirby editor of the Triumph Owner's Club newsletter (South Africa) saying he found it on the web and is hoping to have it in their Mag. Could we advise the make of the bus, and where.  -- Cannot help on where, but British Empire. From circular pattern of fins and double opening 'windscreen' we are relatively sure the vehicle was made in USA, Alma, Michigan by the Republic Motor Truck cca 1918/9.  The bike is a UK Triumph of cca 1920.

1918 Republic Motor Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Spyker Coach
A lovely period photo received from our regular contributor Fer Cools (Holland). He says the bus company exisited untill 1983. In the 60's they had great two tone busses (blue/creme) with an very big chromed Falcon (Valk) mounted on the side. the License plate is from the province of Noord Holland Area around Amsterdam.  --  We are relatively sure this is a cca 1920 Spyker Coach. Spyker were a Dutch quality car manufacturer who made a few busses under Saurer licence.

1920 Spyker Coach

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Opel 8'25 Tulip Bodied Phaeton
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a
1985 German TV Documentary "Unser Auto wird 100", where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB.  -- The car depicted is a cca 1920 Opel 8'25 Tulip Bodied Phaeton. Opel's history was sewing machines, bicycles and then making Lutzmann cars. Then sold Darraccq with own bodies. Nearly destroyed by fire in 1911, then became 6th largest producers in Europe, occupied by the French in 1918. Became General Motors 1930.

1920 Opel 8'25 Tulip Bodied Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 Oldsmobile Touring
One of three photo sent to us by Jell Vos  (Holland) who has been asked to make a 1/8th scale off one of the cars. The cars belonged to an owner of a paper mill in Gransholm in Sweden and the Grandson has commissioned the model. Jell needs to know more about the year/make/model.   --  This one is American and we received help from Casper Friedrich from Finland who confirmed that this is a cca 1923 Oldsmobile Tourer, poss 30A, 6 cylinder. Unusual windscreen mounting.

1923 Oldsmobile Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Chevrolet Coupe
Nice  period postcard received from Gordon Page Jr.  of his parent's house circa 1920's at Ash Point ME, USA, when it was an inn. He thinks the car belonged to the photographer. What was it? Photo was © Eastern Illustrating & Publishing Co., Belfast, Maine.  --  Easy ! He then emailed with the answer, that it is a cca 1925 Chevrolet Coupe. Which indeed it was.  K series had the new curve down at the centre rad top, had dished wheels at the hub, and had  no bar  between the headlamps. 

1925 Chevrolet Coupe

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1931 Singer Super Six Saloon
A lovely period photo received from David Parkinson from Guildford (UK) who is almost certain that the lady at the wheel is her great aunt but it is unlikely that she owned the car as she was in service. The true owner was probably a Lord. The background could be Scotland.  -- Car is British, model was made for only one year, the horizontal louvers are correct and the wheels are correct. It is a cca 1931 Singer Super Six Saloon. In the  1920s  Singer  were the third biggest car seller in the UK.

1931 Singer Super Six Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Ford 7w Tourer
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in an American Film "The Uninvited", where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. --  Very puzzling dating on this one because the numberplate was issued August 1936 and the car was not introduced until April 1937. Seems the film was made in the USA in 1944 about Southern England happening supposedly in May 1937. Just goes to show that film producers should get their facts right, - or they will be caught !

1937 Ford 7W Tourer

INTERESTING PHOTO:1938 Nash LaFayette 400 Saloon
A dramatic period photo received from Iurii Cuzmin of Bucharest (Romania) showing his Grandfather on 28th February 1942. Grandfather was born 1910 in Chircaesti and in 1928 he came to Bucharest and attended "The school of professional drivers". He got his driving licence for motobikes, cars and trucks. In 1941 he got a diploma as auto-mechanic. Car is cca 1938 Nash LaFayette at the "Opening of the bridge over river Nistru 1942."  Note ice and frozen mud underside!

1938 Nash LaFayette 400 Saloon in Romania

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1938 Atalanta Sports
We were contacted by Martyn Corfield (UK) "attaching a photo of my Atalanta car that was raced in Le Mans 1938. I'm seeking any information and particularly photos relating to Atalanta Motors who built cars in Staines 1936-1939. I'm particularly interested in finding photos of the works/factory that was a purpose built white art deco building with a clock tower on London Road in Staines."   --   If anybody has any such information,  -  we will be pleased to pass it on to Martyn.

1938 Atalanta Sports raced in 1938 Le Mans

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1943 Svenska Electrobil Truck
Another of a number of very interesting photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden) showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking identification and dating. Jan has habit of unearthing unusual vehicles and this really is no exception. -- Electric delivery vehicle built in southern Stockholm in 1943 by Svenska Elektrobil AB. Company was founded by ASEA. Capacity 2.5 tons off 250Ah  Tudor  batteries.  Top  speed  25 km/h.  Range  about  60-70 km.

1943 Svenska Elektrobil Delivery Truck

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1945 Ford Prefect Saloon
Photo submitted by Jayne Shrimpton (UK) dress historian and regular columnist for Practical Family History magazine. Her Mother (left) with her sister and brother-in-law in what she thinks was their first car. -- It is a Prefect and our Ford specialist Tony Russell noted the badge surround which has pinpointed it to a cca 1945 Ford Prefect E93A Saloon. Same body 1938 to 48. Later E 493A Prefects had chrome rads. Part of the reg #ME advises Middlesex CC but no help to confirm dating. 

cca 1945 Ford Prefect Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Spitzkuhler Tourer
One of three photo sent to us by Jell Vos  (Holland) who has been asked to make a 1/8th scale off one of the cars. The cars belonged to an owner of a paper mill in Gransholm in Sweden and the Grandson has commissioned the model. Very blurry photo with pointed radiator, style common of the period.   --  This one is German but we do not have unanimity on the identification.  Some of our experts think it is a NAG Model C4  of 1921-3,  while others a Stoewer 1923-4  D12 Tulip Phaeton.

Spitzkuhler Tourer

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