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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1903 De Dion Bouton 6HP
Two photos received from Bernard
Bolch of the Walhalla
Heritage and Development League (Australia)
preparing to commemorate the arrival of the first motor car. This
is the first and blurred, and shows what we believe is a 1903
De Dion Bouton 6HP. It seems to have
the vertical gearchange on the steering column. The alligator bonnet top is
parallel rather than the fashion for sloping forward and the dumbirons
are high curved straight rather than drooping. The
bonnet flap opens upwards.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1908 Mors Tourer
Photo received from Michael O'Donnell (Irish
Republic)
with a fascinating and sad history. The car belonged to his
great-grandfather Count Plunkett whose son Joseph Mary Plunkett was one
of the signatories of the Irish Proclamation of Independence which led
to the Easter Rising in 1916. All the signatories were shot by the
British along with the other main organisers. The car is a cca
1908 Mors, probably a 2.7 or a 3.5 Tourer. Registration
IF 280 was issued by Cork County Cncl.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 Minerva M Landaulette
Two Photos received from Roger
Brooks, Bognor Regis (UK) showing
his grandfather Ernest Clark as a chauffeur. This photo is believed
taken in Brixton while working for songwriter/comedian Billy Merson, one
of the greats of the music hall era. Billy eventually took on in court, and lost,
to Al Jolson who he accused of plagiarizing his song 'The Spaniard that Blighted My Life'.
The case nearly bankrupted him.
The car is a cca
1909 Minerva Type M Landaulette. We
rebuilt the received damaged photo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1910 Ford Model T Tourer
Photograph received from Louise Dove (UK),
showing her grandmother aged about 2 with her parents in their car. The
photo would have been taken in about 1915 in Nottinghamshire. She has
done lots of investigation but is not sure of what she should be looking
for. She has tried looking for the radiator cap but to no avail.
Radiator cap would be no help as it is a Royal Automobile Club badge.
Transverse front spring says it is a cca
1910 Ford Model T Tourer. No numberplate is showing ?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1912 Vauxhall Type B
Photograph received from Terry
Wigington (UK), member of the Morris
Register, who has been approached by a friend compiling a book on local
history, to try to identify a car owned by a local farmer. 1912 photo
taken on a farm in Meldreth near Cambridge. Terry has been searching for
3 months with no success. Registration V1349 was issued by the Scottish
Lanark CC in early 1912. I saw a similar car at Goodwood VSCC sprint
recently, so am pretty sure this is a 1912
Vauxhall Type B.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1913 FN 10HP Tourer
Photo of a FN spotted by Lew & Gloria
Grace at a show in Naracoorte (South
Australia). It is a make he had not heard
of before and wanted further info. FN stands for Fabrique Nationale
d'Armes de Guerre, Liege, Belgium who were foremost an arms manufacturer
dating back to 1899. One of their pistols assassinated Archduke Franz
Ferdinand of Austria. Went on to make cars and became one of the longest
surviving Belgian manufacturers, still making army lorries and
motorbikes in '65.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1914 Vulcan 15.9 Landaulette
Fuzzy photo received from Grum Robertson (Scotland) of
a car owned by a previous occupier of their house, the architect, and
passed to them by a neighbour in Aberdeen. Was it a Bentley? No, but
something equally interesting. Confirmed by our Tim Harding that this
looks like a cca
1914 Vulcan 15.9 Landaulette. Possibly
a little earlier. Vulcans were made in Southport, Lancs. Became
part of the British Motor Trading Corp, nearly went bust, and were
later known for their lorries to 1953.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1921 Buick Tourer
One of a number of photos received from
Arturo Guevara Escobar, Mexico City (Mexico)
taken by his grandfather Aurelio C. Castellanos. He and an uncle
Heliodoro J. Gutierrez were professional photographers, working mainly
in Mexico but also for a few years in the USA. Heliodoro also hired
luxury cars to customers. As family we know he was a rich man, but for
others say he made his money from the revolutionary turmoil. From the
wheel hub and the rad this is a cca1921
Buick Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1921 Singer Ten Tourer
Two Photos received from
Martin Gregory of Winchester (UK) hoping
that someone will be able to identify the make and model of two cars
from photos of his ancestors. He believes the picture of the older car
with 3 adults was taken in 1922. Any information such as likely date of
manufacture could help him with dating the photos. Nice photo. Our Simon
Bishop and his Singer experts confirm that the car is a cca
1921 Singer Ten. In October 1921 they changed from artillery
to disc wheels.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1925 American Tourer
Photos received from Kevin Mikesell from
Illinois (USA) trying
to identify the car in this picture with his Great Aunt and Uncle. He
assumes the picture was taken around 1925 in Michigan. Regretfully we
are not experts on American cars and we dont think this is from the mainstream
manufacturers. Much head scratching suggests this could be a Star or
Durant or one of the myriad of other badge engineered makes from
the same stable. Any help would be
much appreciated.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1926 Lagonda 11.9 Tourer
Photograph received from Mrs J Birch
from Nueaton (UK) showing
her Grandfather William Henry Barrett who was at the time living in the
Pirbright area. Registration CL 8244 was issued by Norwich CBC in
about 1926. The make was identified by our Tony Oakes. This is a cca
1926 Lagonda 11.9 Tourer, probably the 'simple' model with
small wing mounted lights and no front brakes. This model followed the 'bullnose'
11.1 and was succeeded in 1926 by the 12/24 with more
rounded rad.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1926 Austin 12'4 Mulliner Two Seat
Photo received from Jim Type (UK).
This photo is one of a number taken from glass plates he was
given by an elderly lady in 1979 when he was 'on the buses' in Andover.
She regularly used his bus and asked if he would like photos of buses,
and other transport as she was downsizing her house and she would
otherwise only have to throw them out!! Her Husband was a professional
photographer in London. This photo is of a glamorous
lady in a snazzy cca
1926 Austin 12'4 Mulliner Two Seater.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1927 MG 14/28 Sports Tourer
One of four photos received from Richard
Prickett (UK)
showing some of the cars owned by his father during the 1930s. These
photographs have come to light recently as part of his efforts to
research his family history. This one shows the numberplate ML 6996
which was issued by the Middlesex County Council during early 1927. The
car is therefore quite interesting as it a 1927
MG 14/28 Four Seater Sports, one of the
fist 'Flatnose' MGs ( Morris Garages), and cars were based on
Morrises.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1927 Austin 20 Limousine
Two Photos received from Roger
Brooks, Bognor Regis (UK) showing
his grandfather Ernest Clark as a chauffeur. This photo is believed
taken in Worthing between 1924 and the late 1930's, while working for
the Wyatt family of Findon north of Worthing. Part of his duties was to
drive Mrs. Wyatt and/or her daughter to Rose Marie's, a hairdresser's in
Worthing on the seafront, and to wait for them. The car is a nice cca
1927 Austin 20 Limousine. The size of the side
air vent helps in dating.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1927 Austin Ranelagh Landaulette
Another from the four photos received from
Richard Prickett (UK)
showing some of the cars owned by his father during the 1930s. These
photographs have come to light recently as part of his efforts to
research his family history. All the photos were sent in low resolution,
making identification difficult. Our Austin man John Caddy thinks this
is a cca
1927 Austin Ranelagh Landaulette 20'6,
3400cc S.V. speed 63mph. Weight 2 tonnes. Airvent suggests
the car could be bit earlier.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1928 Daimler 35
Another from the four photos received from
Richard Prickett (UK)
showing some of the cars owned by his father during the 1930s. These
photographs have come to light recently as part of his efforts to
research his family history. All the photos were sent in low resolution,
making identification difficult. This is definitely a Daimler but the
numberplate is obscured so precise dating is not possible. We think this
is a cca
1928 Daimler 35. The model was made
between 1924 and 1932.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1928 Minerva Limousine
Photo received from Jim Type (UK).
This photo is one of a number taken from glass plates he was
given by an elderly lady in 1979 when he was 'on the buses' in Andover.
She regularly used his bus and asked if he would like photos of buses,
and other transport as she was downsizing her house and she would
otherwise only have to throw them out!! Her Husband was a professional
photographer in London. This photo is of a grand Belgian cca
1928 Minerva Limousine with
a British Cunard body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1928 Morris Cowley with Dickey
Another from the four photos received from
Richard Prickett (UK)
showing some of the cars owned by his father during the 1930s. All the
photos were sent in low resolution, making identification difficult;
this one even more so as it shows only the rear part of the car. Our
Chas Moody confirms this as a cca
1927/8 Morris Cowley, 'flatnose'
variant. It is interesting to note that the wheels have 'bolt-on' disc
wheel covers hiding artillery wheels underneath. Forerunners of 'wheel embellishers'.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1928 Buick Tourer
Lovely series of scans received from M J
Drent of Haren (Holland) saying
that the grand-parents of his wife lived in the Dutch East Indies and
were rather rich. He is converting an old movie to DVD and wanted to
know in what cars they drove and the planes they flew. He has identified
the planes (very interested in aircraft) but could not determine the
make of this car. The footage is from the early 1930's film,
possibly 1934. The car is a
rather nice cca
1928 Buick Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1929 Singer Six Saloon
Two Photos received from
Martin Gregory of Winchester (UK) hoping
that someone will be able to identify the make and model of two cars
from photos of his ancestors. The photo of the newer car with 2 girls
could not have been taken after 1931 as one of the girls was killed in a
motor cycle accident during that year. Our Simon Bishop and his Singer
experts confirm that the car is a
cca 1929 Singer 6. The wire wheels are bit of mystery because
of the fit. Normally, fitted with artillery wheels.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1931 Sunbeam Speed 20
Photograph received from John
Fletcher (UK)
asking if we could identify his grandfather, Mr F.C.Fletcher's,
car. The photo was taken in approximately 1960 in Polegate Sussex. He
had just retired and this was the last car he owned. It had a
lever which operated a blind that came down over the rear window to stop
the glare of the headlights from behind. Many quality cars had them,
this being a 1931
Sunbeam Speed 20. Registration GN4338 was from London County
Council mid 31.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1933Wolselet Hornet Parallite
Photo received from Nigel Matthews (Canada)
which appeared in the Vintage Car Club of Canada newsletter. He
thought it was a special of some kind, not very imaginative sheet metal
panels! But probably the best one could do with limited equipment. It
has been suggested by some of the British car club members in Canada
that this could be a Wolseley Hornet or Riley? It is in fact an
interesting 1933
Wolseley Hornet with a Parallite body. See picture for
more info on the Parallite.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1936 Rover 16
Photo received from Gil Wilson,
Sydney (Australia) of
his father when he was a chauffeur to Samuel Dow, wine merchant
of Glasgow. On the back is "Whitecraigs 1934, Glasgow". The
registration AGA was issued by Glasgow Borough Council about September
1936, so the date on the back cannot be 1934. From the horisontal air
vents on the bonnet, the car is a 1936
Rover 16. Books state that Rover P2 shape started 1937.
Either this was a pre-production model or the books may just be wrong.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1936 Ford Phaeton
Photo received from Shahid Ahmad writing from (United Arab Emirates) asking
if we could help in identifying the car in the background, not the
Austin in the foreground. The picture was taken in Pakistan about
ten years ago. He thinks the car looks American, but is not very sure.
The car is indeed American. Enlarging the
background shows characteristic grill outline style of the mid 1930s.
The car is a cca
1936 Ford. Bodywork may have
been phaeton /convertible /cabriolet.
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TRACING EARLIER HISTORY: 1936 Daimler 4.5 Limousine
Photo received from Roberto
D'Amato (Italy) saying
friend of his owns a 1936
Daimler, V 4.5 litre straight eight limousine, No. 43511,
engine number 79744. He bought it in Indiana about 2 years ago. The US
number plate was 34A3037 and the original UK numberplate was BKV 81. We
have tried the Daimler Owners (DLOC) for assistance but they seem not to
answer emails. The only option is for Roberto to get in touch with
the UK DVLA, fill in the form and see if they
have records.
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