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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:  c1902
Panhard & Levassor Surrey
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from friend Tim in USA, who saw it on the web. Photo
could have been taken 1903 and the car on the left could be a Panhard
or a De Dietrich. --
Guessing husband and wife so she has the sedate town car? Yes a
cca 1902 Panhard & Levassor Surrey
made in Paris, France, by company started in 1887 making cars under
Gottlieb Daimler licence. Rad tubes are hull height of bonnet
suggesting a bigger 16hp or even a 20hp car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1902
Renault 14/20hp Tonneau
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from friend Tim in USA, who saw it on the web. Photo
could have been taken 1903 and the car on the right could be a 1902 Renault
K as used on Paris Vienna, but this looks bigger. --
The car on the right is certainly a Renault. The early cars had side
mounted radiators. The1903
Renault 14/20hp Tonneau
had a really large bonnet, similar to this one and had the 17 cooling
tube rows each side. The K Type had 20 tube row rad.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903
Daimler 22HP Tonneau
Another lovely photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a motorcycle forum asking for identification of
the motorcycle. Cars seem to be Daimlers from different eras? --
The car on the right seems to have
registration AR 11 which is Hertford CC, town north of London. AR-11 is
mentioned in “Car Number Classics” as a 1903
22hp Daimler Tonneau but radiator been
replaced by one of own design. Car once belonged to costly actress
Valery Reece, Lady Meux of brewery fame.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1904
Clement Bayard Tonneau
Another puzzling photo received from Par
Sorliden (Sweden)
of for him unknown car. Any ideas what
this could be? --
Looks to me like a Clement-Talbot but our
Ariejan Bos advises that it must a French Clément-Bayard (or Bayard as
the official name was in 1903). They were of course identical to the
British Clement-Talbot (formed in 1902), but cars for Sweden would have
probably been imported from France, not from the UK. This is a
cca
1904 Clement-Bayard Swing-Seat Toneau.
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DENTIFICATION AND DATING: Possibly
cca 1904 Wolseley Tonneau
Intriguing photo from Nicholas
Young, author of Car Number Classics (UK)
puzzling on make? Reg is trade plate post 1920. --
Looks pozed photo in 1920s of 'Edwardian' event.
Our veterans expert Ariejan Bos suggests this is a
cca 1904 Wolseley, possibly 12HP,
in disguise. Our VCC Wolseley owning member Michael Doughty
confirms probability suggesting car is not 'in use' as some wheelcaps
missing. Both are puzzled as to how car would have had any cooling if
actually road going.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905
Daimler 28hp Tonneau
Another lovely photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a motorcycle forum asking for identification of
the motorcycle. Cars seem to be Daimlers from different eras? --
The car on left has registration X 714
which was issued by Northumberland County Council (near Scotland), and
would have been right for the area of Otterburn where Otter Burn
(stream) meets the River Rede. Registration data lost, but the car on left is a cca
1905 Daimler 28hp Tonneau
with a hood.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1906
Milnes Daimler Charabanc
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a facebook page in Australia believed to have been
entitled 'Sheehan's Motor Bus'. -- Study
of the vehicle indeed shows Sheehan Bros, Proprietors We note the
buildings has 'Daly s' on it and is very similar to the building in
Daylesford, some 90 minutes from Melbourne, a gold-rush town in 1850s
with nearby mineral spa town of Hepburn. Vehicle is probably cca
1906 Milnes Daimler Charabanc, nicely
tiered.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907
Lion Peugeot VA Voiturette
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a facebook page requiring identification. No info
on the vehicle. Mark thought it looked British? --
I thought it looked British too and very reminiscent of the Humberette,
only problem is this one was chain drive. So Ariejan Bos again pointed
out it was French! It is a cca
1907 Lion Peugeot type VA Voiturette 8
CV as made not by Peugeot but 'Sons of Peugeot Brothers'. About 1000 VA
cars were made 1905-1908.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908
Gladiator Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a facebook page by Matt Peterson suggesting cars
in Ireland involving Captain William F."Bill" Peare, first
man to import the automobile into Ireland. Suggestions either Gladiator
or Vinot. -- Registration LB 4476 is London CC
1908. Our Ariejan Bos states all cars are Gladiators. Vinot &
Deguingang takeover was 1909. Gladiato model history is
complicated. The car on left is
cca
1908 Gladiator Tourer.
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DENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908
Gladiator Open Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a facebook page by Matt Peterson suggesting cars
in Ireland involving Captain William F."Bill" Peare, first
man to import the automobile into Ireland. Suggestions either Gladiator
or Vinot. -- Registration not clear, poss WI
Waterford, N.Ireland. Our Ariejan Bos advises the car in the middle
seems to be a cca1908
Gladiator Tourer. This vehicle seems
chain drive and had been used for competition.
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DENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908
Gladiator Tourer, poss 12'14
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a facebook page by Matt Peterson suggesting cars
in Ireland involving Captain William F."Bill" Peare, first
man to import the automobile into Ireland. Suggestions either Gladiator
or Vinot. -- Registration is WI 65, Waterford CBC,
N.Ireland. Our Ariejan Bos advises the car on the right seems to be a cca1908
Gladiator Tourer. Gladiator model
history is complicated but this could be the 12'14 four.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908/9
Triumph 475cc
Motorcycle
Another lovely photo received from Mark Dawber
(New Zealand) from a motorcycle forum asking for identification
of the motorcycle. --
Our Chas Moody thinks from top frame it is a cca
1908/9 Triumph: patent front forks
pivoted at bottom of steering head with horizontal buttress type
springs at top; Triumph rear stand has angled stays which rest on the
bottom frame tubes; steel rod mudguard stays on the drive side sets
round the belt rim; rod type magneto advance & retard on tank.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Prob.
c1910 GJ Lines Child Pedal Car
An unclear photo-of-a-photo from Lindsey Batty-Smith (UK) asking
about this car which her father is in aged about 4 around 1907 in
Ascot. -- We have
enhanced photo so that the details of the vehicle can be seen. The car
is obviously a Child's
Pedal Car, unusually chain driven,
which would have been a very expensive toy at the time. This is not a
representation of any make, and is likely to have been built cca 1910
by G J Lines, 1878 rocking-horse makers, who eventually became Tri-ang.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1912
SAVA Open-Drive Landaulette
Another puzzling photo received from a now
lost source of to him unknown car. No info when or
where the photos are taken. Any ideas what this could be? --
No, so asked our experts including Ariejan Bos who
came back quickly that this is a cca
1912 SAVA (the successor of Royal
Star) with a Dutch license plate N-368. The Dutch license system
started 1906, similar to the UK. The N was attributed to the province
of noNoord-Brabant, one of the southern provinces of The
Netherlands.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913
Fiat Tipo 2 Torpedo Tourer
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian film "Girolimoni,
il mostro di Roma" (The Assassin of Rome) and where cars are being
investigated by IMCDB. Film is about Gino Girolimoni, wrongfully
accused of child murders in Rome between 1924 and 1928.
-- The car is in the shadows so difficult
to be precise. It is an early FIAT with a painted radiator shell and a
useful pointer is the headlights which are gas lights. This is probably
the cca
1913 Fiat Tipo 2 Torpedo Tourer. Tipo
3 had electrics.
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DENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913
Unic Charabanc 12 Seater
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a facebook page in Norway asking for
identification of the car. Seemingly the reg plate is is c1918 but the
car is earlier? Is it a Unic? - Indeed a Unic.
Company founded by Georges Richard in 1905 ib Puteaux, Paris. Later
made Taxis and Commercials to 1938, then Simca >Saurer>Iveco>Fiat
. Flat radiator, rounded scuttle, no saddle tank, so cca
1913 Unic Charabanc, four row,
probably the larger 12HP or 17HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1921
Citroen B2 Torpedo Tourer
Cinema screen grab taken from a French film "Byl mesyats
may" (School of Life) made in 2017, where cars are being
investigated by IMCDB.-In 1920s France an orphan is adopted by a rustic
couple who work for a rural landowner. Left to himself, he soon comes
under the spell of the local poacher.--
This is a cca
1921 Citroen B2 Torpedo Tourer.
B2 was second model produced by Citroën in Quai de Javel, Paris,
between May 1921-July 1926, 4-cyl 1,452cc 10HP/10CV 31 MPG.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1930
OK-Supreme 500cc Motorcycle
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a local forum of New Zealand Police asking if
Ariels,
then came back
with answer: OK Supremes. --
As these were new to us we did a bit of research and found that
OK-Supreme
was a British motorcycle manufacture
in Birmingham who started with bicycles in 1899 and motorbikes 1906
with 'Precision' engines. Later own engines also JAP. Bought the HRD
company 1928, selling to Phil Vincent. Closed 1939.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1938
Matford F82A Berline
Very puzzling photo received from Alex
Jones (Canada) of
his dad after liberation from a concentration camp in mid-1945 when he
worked for the US 7th Army as a translator in Heidelberg Germany. No
idea on car. -- One
thought from running board was Opel Admiral but our Mark Dawber came up
with Ford. And indeed, from slotted louvres, it was a cca
1938 Matford F82A Berline V8 2225cc. These
were made by Mathis in Alsace 1934 to German occupation 1940. Emile
Mathis escaped USA.
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DENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1953
Singer 4AD Roadster
Another puzzling photo received from Our Publicity Officer
Tony Russell (UK) who is on the lookout
for unusual cars and wondered if we knew what this one was? Lovely
photo of actress Katharine Hepburn taken in 1953 in Jamaica. --
Fashion feature of typical door cutout found on
many British cars of the period from early 1930s to late 1950s. This is
a Coventry car which was then available as export only, a cca 1953
Singer 4AD SM Roadster
with 1500cc 58HP four cylinder engine made to
1955.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c2018
Bajaj Tuk-Tuk Rickshaw
Cinema screen grab taken from a French TV Series "Top Gear
France" where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. - This
is a customised Tuk-tuk' tricycle rickshaw used in many parts of the
tropical world with differing names and variations, mostly with open
bodies and canvas roof. This one looks a recent standard
Bajal 205 from
India who make 780,000 per year. A new industry has grown round this
vehicle of making stand-out bolt-on fibreglass bodykits to enclose
passengers.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 2019
Tricolos Motorcar MTX 150
Cinema screen grab taken from a French film "Carnaval"
(Carneval) where vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB.
Film about following a breakup, person takes her friends on a free trip
to Bahia's vibrant Carnival. --
Bahia is 4th largest city in Brazil and
carnival lasts 6 days. Vehicle is a 'Tuk-tuk' which is a tricycle auto
rickshaw used in many parts of the tropical world with differing names
and variations. This is a cca 2019 Tricolos Motorcar MTX 150
Trycicle made in Ilheus, Brazil.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unknown
Friction Drive Two-Seater
Another puzzling photo received from Par
Sorliden (Sweden)
of for him unknown car. Any ideas what
this could be? --
Tyres are Swedish; concentric circle rad;
perhaps one-piece non-round bonnet splaying baseout with strange
holding fixture; Big rear chain sprocket; Strange round thing with
holes under car directly behind the rear running board stay- friction
drive?? Ariejan Bos had
no
answer,
thought about 1905, indeed friction
drive, American or German or local product or a repro?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unidentified
c1913 Truck
Another puzzling photo received from Par
Sorliden (Sweden)
of for him unknown car. Any ideas what
this could be? -- Par
suggested it could be a French Vinot & Deguingand. I thought it
looked more like a modified Peugeot and our Ariejan Bos though so too,
but found too many questions
to actually go with it. This could be
a much later update of old car with different bits. V-D started in1901
in Paris, acquired
Clement Gladiator 1906, and made parallel rages of cars. Shut
eventually 1926.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unknown
c1924 Motorcycle
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum asking
for identification. The photo is dated 1930 and quite small.
The engine looks to be 1920s but bike looks to have unsprung forks
and gas light. Strange numberplate. -- Our
bike expert Chas Moody advises egine is a Villiers 147cc single
cylinder two-stroke made 1922 up to 1947. Francis Barnett used this
engine 1923 to 1929. This machine could be 1922 - 1926, perhaps Monet
Goyon but different.
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