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London - Brighton Commercials:
Date of 2007 London-Brighton Commercial Run ?:  On May 4th.

London-Brighton Veteran Run: 
Date of 2007
London - Brighton Veteran Car Run?: Novemb. 2nd

Monaco Motor Museum:
Click here for more info on the Prince Rainier Car Collection.
Edenbridge & Oxted Show :
Historic Vehicle Display; Jackie Shearman;  Tel: 01737 645843
Ardingly Vintage Vehicle Show:
Maurice Drew, 12 Springfield Rd, Larkfield, Kent ME20 6JE
Lingfield Steam Show:
Enquiries to Joan/Brian Donkin
Tel: 0208 295 1510 
Redhill Steam Fair : 13/14 Aug
Ken Robinson, Tel 01293 771980
www.redhillsteamfair.co.uk

 


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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided :

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Page 14 below relates to enquiries received during 2007/8.Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1902 Darracq 12HP 
Photo received from Geoff Penn, Leeds, (UK) who is hoping we can help to identify a vintage car which forms part of our family history. He knows the vehicle was owned by his Great Grandfather. It is said he was joint owner of the car with the local doctor and that it was the first car in Wanstead. We can confirm that F734 was an Essex County Council registration but dating records no longer exist. Our Tim Harding has  identified  it  as  a  cca 1902 Darracq 12HP registered  few  years  later.

1902 Darracq 12HP

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1905 Clement-Talbot Tonneau
Photo received from Emily MacMath, Trowbridge (UK) showing ancestors from the Bristol area. The older gentleman at the rear of the car is the owner, but she is not sure of his identity! Are records available to track down owners of older vehicles? The DVLA in Swansea is now the main point of contact by payment and filling in a form. The car in the picture has been suggested by three of our experts as a cca 1905  Clement - Talbot, registered in Bristol.  Click picture for more info.

1905 Clement-Talbot Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1912 La Buire Two Seater
Same Photo received from two sources (Australia) simultaneously but from the same organisation: Des Johnstone (Chief Commissioner, Clan Johnston/e Association of Australia) and Dorothy Rook the Clan's Genealogy Secretary. They were trying to establish a date for the photo. The body style was prevalent during the 1909 to 1914 period. Radiator header tank with a central badge and two triangular panels tapering towards the sides suggests a  cca  1912  La Buire. Click picture.

1912 La Buire Two Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1912 Arrol-Johnson 15.9HP
Photo received from Rob Martin (Australia) of what he thinks is an Arrol-Johnston, (could be quite wrong though!). This photo was taken in Australia, found in researching the family history, and has been heavily restored. We can confirm that the only other car with an un-contoured top to the radiator header tank was a Phoeninix and that some went to Australia. However we feel due to the embossed line pressings in the scuttle bonnet it is probably a cca 1912 Arrol Johnson possibly a 15.9hp.

1912 Arrol- Johnson 15.9H

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1913 Standard 9.5HP Rhyl
Photo received from  Kevin J Prince (UK) who is doing some family history and came across a photograph with a vintage car. He would like to know what it is.  DVLA have said it is too old for their records. We are not sure if they used the DVLA pay service Form V888. Trying to identify the middle of a car is difficult but we are sure that the car shown is a cca 1911-14 Standard 9HP Rhyl. To me the pointers are to 1911,  but our more knowledgeable Tim Harding thinks it is  1913 -1914. 

1913 Standard Rhyl 9.5hp

INTERESTING VEHICLE: cca 1913 Pilot Light Car
Interesting email received from Neil (UK) who has a book published by "Pilot Cars and Motor Schools Ltd, Training institute of London." in 1913, called "200 Practical Points On Motoring". He was interested if this would be of interest to enthusiasts or collectors. If anybody is interested please get in touch with us. In 1914 the company name changed to "Pilot Cars and Motor Schools Ltd".  No details are shown for production figures nor  how long  the company  lasted. Click  the  Photo.

1913 Pilot Light Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1913 Daimler Charabanc
Photo received from David Jones from Liverpool (UK) taken on a pic-nic, in July 1913, organised by a masonic lodge, Downshire No 594, in Liverpool. The trip was from Liverpool to Northop in Flintshire, hence to Chester, where they went boating on the River Dee. There must have been a breakdown evidenced by the feet sticking out from under the vehicle! He wondered is such vehicles are still roadworthy to replicate the pic-nic. We suggested contact with Historic Commercial Soc, HCVS.

1913 Daimler Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1914 Commer Bus
Photo received from Glynn Berry (UK) who is interested in the building shown on the photo, Pier House, on the coast at Lee-on-the-Solent near Portsmouth. He was curious to know what year this was taken, and hoped the bus would give a clue. It does indeed. The bus livery is that of Gosport and Fareham Tramways but strangely the registration number had been issued by London County Council. The vehicle is a cca 1914 Commer Bus photographed approx. 1914/15.  Click photo for more info.

1914 Commer Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1919/20 Minerva NN Tourer
Photos received from Anupam Agarwalla  (India) who is contemplating purchasing and  rebuilding a Minerva four seat tourer. With the assistance of the Minerva Club, Tim Lemoine, we can confirm that the car is a cca 1919 Minerva Type NN. These were made between 1919 - 1921 and had a four cylinder 20 hp engine of 3570 cc. Tim has provided a picture of a similar Type XX car which shows the type of coachwork that would have been fitted and matching the rear section of the photo.

1919 Minerva NN Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1920 Douglas 10.5 Light Car 
Photo received from Tim Sewell, Melbourne (Australia) who has been on a number of online galleries looking for cars with headlamps beside the windscreen, but has found nothing at all. Is it from the Bullnose Morris range? The two occupants are his father and grandfather, probably taken near his grandfather's home in Co. Durham possibly when his parents (resident in India) returned to England for their marriage. The cars is a  cca 1920 Douglas 10.5 Light Car.  (Or could be a 1914 model ?) 

1914 Douglas 10.5 Light Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1921 Hillman 11
Photo received from Don Westcott (UK) who is an SVVS member moved to Wiltshire and joined the Friends of the Atwell-Wilson Motor Museum in Calne. They have been trying to identify the mystery car. Registration appears to be U or H 8674. Cannot be H as this was Middlesex 1903/12.  U 8764 was issued by County Borough of Leeds which had reached U 7729 by January 1921 and had changed to NW registrations by October 1921.  Car is 1921 Hillman 11 2-seater/dickey. 

1921 Hillman 11

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1922 Morris Cowley Two Seater
Another of the photos received from Peter Guyton (UK). This one shows Maggie Peel about to leave Welwyn Garden City, Herts, to drive back to Cambridge in August 1926. This car is either the same or similar to another photo of a car that we have already  identified. This picture gives a full front view showing the registration number. CE 9994 was issued by Cambridge County Council in mid 1922, dating this as a 1922 Morris Cowley.  Third photo  is confirmed  as being  the back  of  the car. 

1922 Morris Cowley Two Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923 Vulcan 20HP Tourer
Photo received from Roger Corfield (UK) of what he has always believed to be a Belsize, because his father told him that grandfather had owned one. From the ages of the children, the photo must have been taken in the early 1920s, probably 1922 or 1923. We can advise that registration EK2**8 was issued by Wigan CBC in about November 1922. Although the radiator has superficial resemblance to a Belsize we can advise this is much more unusual, being a 1922 Vulcan 20HP Tourer.

1922 Vulcan 20HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1923 Standard Model SLO
One of two more photos received from Peter Guyton (UK). This one shows a car belonging to a Mr. William Wilberforce, his wife Madge with Mrs. Hilda Hopkins on the pavement. This photograph is dated as July 1926. This car is either the same or similar to another photo of a car that we have already  identified. This picture gives a full front view showing the registration number. DN 6031 was issued by York County Borough Council in late 1923,  dating this as  1923  Standard model SLO.

1923 Standard Model SLO

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1924 ABC Super Sports
One of two more photos received from John Phillips  (UK). He had again declined to put SVVS-MAIL in the 'subject' line and his enquiry was auto-diverted with the thousands of SPAM emails we get. Accidentally spotted in the clearout. On the back of the two seater photo is the date Sept 1927. Quite an unusual car being a cca 1924 ABC Super Sports. Air cooled with dummy radiator whose filer cap was actually the petrol cap. This resulted in frequent problems of petrol being topped up with water!

1924 ABC Super Sports

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1925 Morris Oxford Bullnose
Another photo received from  Kevin J Prince (UK) who is doing some family history and is giving us near impossible tasks ! A grainy photo from a difficult angle. He thinks the number is GB 5643. GB is a Glasgow Borough Council registration issued December 1921 and July 1925. GB5643 is half way, so approx 1923. The car is rather typical of the period with literally dozens of makes having similar configuration. Two of our experts agree it is a 1925 Morris Oxford 13.9HP, likely a Bullnose.

1925 Morris Oxford Bullnose

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1925 Wolseley 'Light Saloon'
Photo received from Rob Brewer (UK) of his grandfather Reginald who enlisted for the 1st World War while still only 17 years old and returned injured. He is believed the first person in the family to own a car but not sure if this is it. Judging by his age in the photo it is post war I. Registration is almost impossible to make out, perhaps ON 1054. We can advise that the car is a cca 1925 Wolseley 'Light Saloon' perhaps 14/40 or 16/35.  Registration is Birmingham County Boro' Council 1925.

1925 Wolseley 'Light Saloon'

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1928 Packard Town Car ?
The second of the two photos received from John Phillips  (UK) auto-diverted with the thousands of SPAM emails into our Dump folder. Accidentally spotted in the clearout. He advises that the larger car picture dates from around 1927-1928. I think it is a cca 1928 Packard all-weather Town Car but with a Landaulette body. Our very knowledgeable Tim Harding to whom I would normally defer thinks it is a Rolls Royce 20hp with a Continental Landaulette Body. I stick to mine!

1928 Packard perhaps

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1920s Charabancs
Four photos received from Jim Type (UK). Photo are from a series taken from glass plates he was given by an elderly lady in 1979 when he was 'on the buses' in Andover. Her Husband was a professional photographer in London and most of his work was for Hall Lewis/Park Royal. We are not much into commercials but our Tim Harding is a wizz at old charabancs. He has identified the the four photos as  a Dennis,  an Albion Viking,  a Berliet and  a Daimler or AEC, and is generally right.

1920s_Daimler_Charabancs

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1930 Ford Model AA Horsebox
Two more photos received from Jim Type (UK) from a series taken from glass plates he was given by an elderly lady in 1979 when he was 'on the buses' in Andover. Her Husband was a professional photographer in London and most of his work was for Hall Lewis/Park Royal. We are not much into commercials but our Tim Harding has identified the Horsebox as a cca 1930 Ford Model AA long wheelbase. He thinks the second photo is of a Chenard Walcker Tractor as LMS used many of that make.

1930 Ford Model AA Horsebox

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1931 Ford Model A 
Photo received from Joanne Savile (UK). Please could we identify this car and year. She thinks the car probably belonged to a Robert Foster of Newburgh, New York but no dates; perhaps 1922 - 25. It is from collection of family photographs from various countries. The car in photo is much later than her suggested dates being cca 1931 Ford Model A Standard Coupe. Later input advises person next to car is Dominic Shira, Upper Jay, NY, Janitor at High School and original owner.

1931 Ford Model A

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1930 American Roadster
Very fuzzy series of scans received from M J Drent of Haren (Holland) saying that the grand-parents of his wife lived in the Dutch East Indies and were rather rich. He is converting an old movie to DVD and wanted to know in what cars they drove and the planes they flew. I am relatively sure that the car is of the 1929-1931 period and by the windscreen pillars that the car is probably American, Dodge, De Soto, or Nash.  Our Tim Harding agrees saying it could be cca 1930 Chevrolet? 

1930s_American_Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1934 Aero 622
Photo received from Wolfgang Steiner from Mantel  (Germany). " Your Homepage is great and I send you this picture that I think is an English make."  This was presumably  because of the right hand drive steering wheel. This rather confused because the car did not 'look' British. However, our Tony Oakes and others spotted that it was an Aero manufactured in Czechoslovakia where they drove on the left until 1939, and therefore had  RHD  steering. The car is a cca 1934 Aero 622

1934 Aero 622

HELP WITH SPARE PARTS: cca 1951 Wichkham Railcar
Intriguing photo received from Jonathan Flood (UK) who is restoring a 1951 Railcar built by D Wickham & Co Ltd of Ware, Hertfordshire. Even though it is a rail vehicle, all the engine and electrical fittings are standard commercial vehicle items – Ford V8 engine, Lucas Lights, Lucas Horns etc, but he cannot find the source of the two interior lights, and the source or  repairer of Lucas windscreen demisters. Please contact us if you have any ideas where these can be obtained/repaired.

1951 Wickham Railca

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911 UNIDENTIFIED
Photo received from John Lambert, Epsom (UK). The chauffeur in the snap is his grandfather who began working life as coachman, then gained his certificate in 'automobiles' in May 1905. Later drove for Sir Alfred Lewis, MD of the Nat Prov Bank during the 1930's, and subsequently for Sir Ralph Richardson the actor. Unfortunately none of our experts have been able to identify the car which was registered in London between April 1910 and July 1911.  Any help much appreciated.

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