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Maurice Drew, 12 Springfield Rd, Larkfield, Kent ME20 6JE
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Tel: 0208 295 1510 
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Ken Robinson, Tel 01293 771980
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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided :

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Page 21 below relates to enquiries received during 2010.Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1903 CGV Coupe Trois Quarts
Smashing photo received from David Gumley (USA) of car in New York requesting identification; - which he then promptly supplied himself! The car is a cca 1903 CGV Coupe Trois Quarts (coachwork name from horse days). Note horses in the background. CGVs were French and imported to USA (and for a while made by) Smith and Mabley as American CGV. Local bodies were made by J N Quinby in Rome, Newark. David's websearch discovered rebuild of similar car underway in France.

1903 CGV Coupe Trois Quarts

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1904 De Dion Bouton Tonneau
Two photos submitted by Jim Kaprikorn, Beijing  (China) asking for identification of the vehicles.  --  This one is relatively easy because the photo shows two distinct pointers. One is the low level radiator which is rectangular and within an outer casing. Only two or three cars had that. The other pointer is the two tubes, one each side of the steering wheel. Between the two, this suggests a cca 1904 De Dion Bouton Rear Entrance Tonneau. Similar cars go on  London  to  Brighton  veteran run.

1904 De Dion Bouton Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1905 De Dion Bouton Two Seater
One of a number of photos sent by Mike Ganly (UK) of motor cars owned by his GG Grandfather, George Batchelor, 1841-1930, builder and cement manufacturer in Rochester and Strood, Kent. These cars were purchased and used by him around 1905-08 it is believed.   --  This one carries the registration D1777 which was issued by Kent County Council in April 1905. The car is therefore a cca 1905 De Dion Bouton Two Seater,  probably  the  8HP.  Similar  to  other  De Dion on this page.

1905 De Dion Bouton Two Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1905 Panhard Levassor perhaps
One of a number of photos sent by Mike Ganly (UK) of motor cars owned by his GG Grandfather, George Batchelor, 1841-1930, builder and cement manufacturer in Rochester and Strood, Kent. These cars were purchased and used by him around 1905-08 it is believed.  --  This photo being of very poor quality with very little to aid investigation, so we are unable to provide a positive identification. Our Tim Harding has suggested that this is possibly a  cca 1905  Panhard  Levassor Tonneau

1905 Panhard Levassor perhaps

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1909 Austro Daimler Tourer
Photo received from John Hackworth (UK) asking if we could identify the attached car which belonged to a friend's grandfather in law.  --  The registration has only the D showing but suggests that an L preceded it. If so, the registration was issued by London County Council in 1909 and the car is therefore a cca 1909 Austro Daimler Tourer, probably the Prince Heinrich. Earlier cars were Majas named after Mercedes' younger sister. P Heinrich cars were Porche designed, and first 'real' sports cars.

1909 Austro Daimler Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1909 Napier Landaulette
Two photos submitted by Malcolm Smith from Aberdeen (UK) asking if we could  identify the cars which were photographed in Edinburgh. They used to belong to his family.  --  Obviously a family of some substance because both cars are of some quality. This one is a cca 1909 Napier Landaulette, possibly the 40HP. One of the best of British cars, Napier was particularly popular amongst the British aristocracy and amongst the Indian rulers who purchased the large exotic 80 and 90HP vehicles.

1909 Napier Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1910 Standard Landaulette
Two photos submitted by Malcolm Smith from Aberdeen (UK) asking if we could  identify the cars which were photographed in Edinburgh. They used to belong to his family.  --  Obviously a family of some substance because both cars are of some quality. This one is a cca 1910 Standard Landaulette, probably the 30HP. Some 70 Standard cars were chosen to be the official vehicles for the Delhi Durbar, the coronation of George V as  Emperor of India  in 1911,  and would have looked much as this one. 

1910 Standard Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1910 REO Touring
Photo submitted by GP Gleeson (USA) asking for confirmation of the year of the manufacture of the car marked on the back of the photo as a Rolls. Photo is of his great uncle is driving the car outside of Washington DC, dated 1911.  --  It is clearly not a Rolls Royce but it is a grand car none the less. The car is cca 1910 REO Touring built by Ransom Olds who left Oldsmobile 1904 to form REO when shareholders wanted to discontinue making the Curved Dash.  REO cars ceased 1936.

1910_REO_Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1910 New Pick Roadster
Interesting email from Wills Dobson (New Zealand) who was asking on behalf of a relative for a valuation in Christchurch of a 1924 Chrysler model B and a 1910 New Pick, with the engine removed.   --  We regret we have no information on values in New Zeland but were intrigued by the New Pick. This is a British car (Pick and New Pick) made between 1898 and 1925 in Stamford, Linconshire. Initially financed by Marquess of Exeter. Jack Pick retired to be a  greengrocer in 1924, and died 1954.

1910 New Pick Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1910 CID Baby
Photos received from Jean-Luc Dijon (France) saying he is selling the car. This is a very unusual car indeed having been manufactured in Dijon by Constructions Industrielles Dijonaises. We know nothing about this particular car so contact Jean-Luc direct on +33(0) 658097799. Georgano has CID made between 1912/14 by the company which was earlier responsible for the Cotterau. The Baby was their best known model with a 8 HP Buchet engine and a four speed friction transmission.

1910 CID Baby

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1915 Ford Model T Roadster
Photo received from John Bakke (Norway) given to him by a friend with request for identification.  -- In consultation with our colleagues in the AACA, we can advise that we think this is an American cca 1915 Model T Ford. The body is rather nice so may have been factory made rather than home made. Petrol tank looks standard Ford Torpedo Roadster, larger than standard under-seat unit. Headlights are gas as the rear tank is a Prest-o-Lite  acetylene  gas tank.  Electric lights in about 1915.

1915 Ford Model T Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1920 Crossley Manchester Tourer
Photo received from Mark Taberham (UK) who has been scanning and enlarging small family photographs of the last century for his mother. He came across a photo of a car being driven by his great-grandfather headed "Drive to Dinarth Aug 1921".   --  We cannot make out enough of the numberplate to try dating the car by the registration,  but can confidently say that this magnificent vehicle is cca 1920 Crossley 25'30 with " Manchester " Tourer bodywork.  These were  introduced  in  1919.

1920 Crossley Manchester Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1926 Sizaire Freres 4RI
Interesting photograph provided by Powerslide (USA) requesting identification.   --  We recently had a car very similar to this at one of our meetings and could advise that this was a French cca 1926 Sizaire Freres 4RI. As rear bodywork seems enclosed, it would be Sedance de Ville  (brougham). Brothers Sizaire were involved in car making from 1905 as Sizaire Naudin, then 1913 Sizaire Berwick (financed and sold  in the UK, adopting a Rolls type radiator),  and later in 1923 Sizaire Freres.

1926 Sizaire Freres 4RI Sedanca De Ville

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1929 Vauxhall Princeton Tourer
Photos submitted by Marcus Peacock from Washington DC (USA) which has the following notation on the back: "1934. Ern showing off an Alvis." Great uncle Ernie is behind the wheel and he was a car dealer in Glasgow, Scotland, in the 1930s; photograph was taken in Glasgow? May be a little difficult to identify because the front of the car is not shown. --  Our experts are generally agreed that regretfully this is not an Alvis. We are pretty sure this is a  cca 1929 Vauxhall  20'60  Princeton  Tourer.

1929 Vauxhall 20'60 Princeton Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1931 Auburn Phaeton
Photo received from John Bakke (Norway) given to him by a friend with request for identification.  -- In consultation with our colleagues in the AACA, we can advise that we think this is an American cca 1931 Auburn Phaeton (Convertible Sedan). This type of body was available 1931 to 1933 with 8 cylinder or 12 cylinder engines. Auburn 'made hay' with beautiful big cars during the early 1930s depression under E.L. Cord management  (with Duesenberg and Cord autos),  but all gone by 1937.

1931 Auburn Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1931 Hanomag Cabrio Limousine
Two Photos provided by Fintail on behalf of Dr. Robert Scott Kellner (USA) of cars which belonged to his grandfather Friedrich Kellner, an anti-Nazi official during WWII recording Nazi crimes. His diary was recently exhibited at the United Nations. -- Interesting car that is German not French as suggested. It is a cca 1931/2 Hanomag Cabrio Limousine, probably the 4'18. Hanomag made the quirky Kommisbrot car, then followed it up with the relatively conventional 3 and 4 models.

1932 Hanomag 4'18 Cabrio Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1932 Steyr S30 Cabriolet
Two Photos provided by Fintail on behalf of Dr. Robert Scott Kellner (USA) of cars which belonged to his grandfather Friedrich Kellner, an anti-Nazi official during WWII recording Nazi crimes. His diary was recently exhibited at the United Nations.  --  As the rear of the car has no boot, and as the front has Austro Daimler type badge,  I think the car is a cca 1932 Steyr S30 Cabriolet designed by Porsche during Austro Daimler-Puch merger with Steyr,  new emblem with an upright radiator.

1931 Steyr S30 Cabriolet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1932 Graham Roadster
Another photo submitted by GP Gleeson (USA) showing a car from the 1930s. The back was dated Feruary 1935 and taken at Davis Causeway, Florida. The girl is his cousin. Any idea on the make and year of this sporty car.  --  Our friends at the AACA agreed with our identification of this being a cca 1932 Graham Roadster. Graham brothers purchased the old Page Detroit company in 1927 and became Graham Page until 1930; Graham thereafter. They made quality cars and lasted until 1940.

1932 Graham Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1933 Citroen Rosalie
Photograph sent in by Stephen Reed (UK) believed to be a 1936 Citroen. It was the chaufer's car for Francis Samualson the owner of Dorman and Long Steelworks in Middleborough. -- We think a cca 1933 Citroen Rosalie, built 1932 to 1934, with 8,10 and 12 HP engines, rear wheel drive. Right hand drive and having wire wheels, could have come from Slough. Barn finds worth few hundred pounds as a lot of money would need to be invested to restore it, which could never be recovered (£8K).

1933 Citroen Rosalie

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1938 Reanualt Novaquatre
Photo received from Eric Bowman (Estonia) trying to identify this car which is sitting in a garden near him, currently under a couple of feet of snow. The garden owner believes it to be a Citroen or Fiat but Eric thinks it is an Auto Union Wanderer or a Russian GAZ. The front bumper is later, probably related to the engine which is a 1960's era Russian light truck. --  Our Tim Harding has identified it as a cca 1938 Renault Novaquatre,  although Primaquatre and Celtaquatre had similar bodies.

1938 Renault Novaquatre

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: NOT a 1950 Hong Qi State Limousine
Two photos submitted by Jim Kaprikorn, Beijing  (China) asking for identification.  --  This one was very difficult. Although the sign in the Beijing Museum said Hong Qi, 'Red Flag', - it is not one. There was nothing like it made in China and nothing like it made in the USSR. Eventually we were advised by GordonKebble in France that this is a  SKODA !  It is cca 1950 Skoda VOS "Vladni Osobni Special", loosely  translated  as  the  'Government  Special  Car'. Please  read  full  details.

1950 Skoda VOS Special Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1956 GAZ Volga Mascot
A number of close-up photos of a car mascot were sent in by David Sharp (UK) asking if we can help with identifying the shiny leaping stag bonnet mascot found in Hungary.  --  I am extremely annoyed at myself that it took me some time to identify, - and not for going for the blindingly obvious. In retrospect Hungary should have told me East Europe/Russia. I was looking for something more exotic. It is in fact the bonnet mascot of a Russian Volga! I saw thousands in the Comecon.

1950s Volga mascot

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1912-15 Unknown Cyclecar
One of three photos sent by Mike Ganly (UK) of motor cars owned by his GG Grandfather, George Batchelor, 1841-1930, builder and cement manufacturer in Rochester and Strood, Kent. These cars were purchased and used by him around 1905-08, it is believed.   --  Lovely typical early photography poses by the chaps. We have not been able to identify the car and would welcome any input. It is a light car or a cyclecar, a two seater,  and seats could be staggered.  Not Humberette.

Unknown Cyclecar

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1912-15 Unknown Roadster
One of three photos received from John Bakke (Norway) given to him by a friend with request for identification, but one we have not been able to provide a positive identification for. The chap in car worked for Briggs bodies, but although the car is American, the body may not have necessarily been Briggs. Our colleagues in the AACA have looked in depth at various options including Mercer, Stutz, possibly a Marmon or a Dorris. Possibly a road conversion of a racing car,  or  specialist  builder.

Unknown Roadster 1912-1915

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1908 Unknown Tourer
Lovely period  photo received from Fred Lawson (USA)  who is a Member of The Randolph County Historical Society of Winchester Indiana...He is trying to put a date on this picture....Could we please help I. D. car in photo???....He has been told this web site is the best place for him to come.  --  Regretfully despite his kind sentiments, we have not been able to come up with a firm ident. Our friends at the AACA have suggested a  1908 Oldsmobile Model A, but no confirmation.

Unknown Tourer

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