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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided.  While page is being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,  cars are in year order:

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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1899 Stoewer Grosser Motorwagen
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles we often come across photographs or old Postcards, including those for sale on Ebay, of very interesting ancient machinery which has not yet been identified, so we have a go !  --  On Ebay marked "Old Russian Car", presumably from Cyrillic writing on it and on the back.  Regret this assumption is incorrect as this is an old German car postcard issued by a Russian publisher. The  car  is a  cca 1899 Stoewer Grosser Motorwagen. 

1899 Stoewer Grosser Motorwagen

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 General Light Car
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles I came across this one in Rootschat by Historycat and his cousin possibly showing Howard Rosher, - who wanted date/make for car. --  Rare vehicle identified by Ariejan Boss as cca 1904 General from the General Motor Car Co Ltd of Norbury and Mitcham. Started 1902 by making racer for Bexhill Speed Trials. In 1903 a delivery van called the GMC for Post Office (not USA GMC!) & light cars with Aster/Buchet engines. Gone '05.

1904 General Light Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905 Daimler Limousine
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles we often come across photographs or old Postcards, including those for sale on Ebay, of very interesting ancient machinery which has not yet been identified, so we have a go !  --  This shows a rather lovely rural period event where the chauffeur-driven car has obviously come to grief in a ford with the electrics while the horse merrily splashes on! Difficult angle but it is a cca 1906 Daimler Limousine, possibly the 35HP.

1905 Daimler Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Austin 18'24 Tourer
Interesting photo sent to us by David Lilley (UK) who is helping
relative of  gentleman in photo c1902-1906. He is William Douglas of the family who manufactured motor cycles and cars under the Douglas name during the period 1902-1922.  -- Quite a difficult one as front of car is not visible and coachbuilt body. Our Ariejan Boss advises it is a cca 1907 Austin 18'24 Tourer, this one with shaft drive. Herbert Austin left Wolseley 1905, to build mainly  luxury  cars for the nobility and the rich.

1907 Austin 18'24 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1910 DFP 12HP Two-seater
Another fascinating photograph from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania.  Do we know what this is?  --  Not a good photo so some discussion if it is a Le Zebre, Unic or DFP. One suggestion 1914 Le Zebre 8hp, but my tendency, because of type sidelights stalks, top tilting windscreen and shorter rad slope, is to say a cca 1910 DFP 12CV. DFP cars were imported by Bentley & Bentley and raced in the UK WO !

1910 DFP 12HP Two-seater

IDENTIFICATION & DATING:1911 Napier 15 HP Side Entrance Tonneau
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles I came across this one in Rootschat by LDW showing a gropup of entomologists (bug-hunters). Date/model of car? --  Made in Acton, London, this is cca 1911 Napier 15 HP Side Entrance Tonneau. The coachbuilt bodywork is traditional type but with a more modern bulkhead. Earlier cars had no, or half sized, doors and later bodies would have  been lower  and continuous.  Photo dating is into,  or after,  WW1.

1911 Napier 15 HP Side Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Riley 12'18 Two-Seater
Gorgeous photo slightly damaged sent to us by
Jon Rocke (UK) from their family collection. No idea of the make or model of the car. The lady is his wife's grandmother. Back of the picture just says 1912-14?, believed taken in King's Heath. --  Registration looks like 0 4131 and would be from Birmingham CBC midway between '04 and '13. Car seems to have a circular radiator so was thinking perhaps French but one expert advises this is British Coventry  cca 1911 Riley 12'18 Two-Seater.

1911 Riley 12'18 Two-Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Metallurgique Saloon
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles I came across this one on Rootschat website submitted some years ago asking for make and date of the car. Nobody provided an answer. --  We can advise that registration CN 236 was issued by Gateshead CBC (then Co. Durham) but dating details are lost. Rather unusual car for this area being a Belgian cca 1912 Metallurgique Saloon, possibly the 26'50, with a curious coachbuilt body.  Importers  were Warwick  Wright  in London.

1912 Metallurgique Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Clement Bayard AC6 Torpedo
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles we often come across photographs or old Postcards, including those for sale on Ebay, of very interesting ancient machinery which has not yet been identified, so we have a go !  --  One of a number of makes with a rear radiator. Smoother curved aligator bonnet than Renault so is a cca 1911'12 Clement Bayard AC6 Torpedo. Dating is via the  radiator edges being sharp rather than rounded,  and the high body has front doors.

1912 Clement Bayard AC6 Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1914 Fiat 15 TER Field Ambulance
Cinema screen grab taken from an Italian Made for TV movie 'L'amore e la guerra' made in 2007, where cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Story is set in the First World War and involves a humble miner who became a sergeant and a young nurse who is a daughter of a general, and an interfering captain who wants her money.  --  One of the two staple WW1 lorries made in Italy. Photo was distorted and on widening looks very much like a  cca 1914 Fiat  15 TER  Field Ambulance.

1914 Fiat 15 TER Field Ambulance

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:c1915 Mors Tourer
Rather faded grainy photo sent to us by Norman Roper-Marshall (UK) on behalf of Wolfgang Warmer. They are doing the family history and believe this could have something to do with it.  -- A number of our experts have studied the photos and agree that this could be a French cca 1915  Mors of the Citroen period. Precise dating is difficult because it could be just pre, or just post, Word War I. Seems to have wing mounted sidelights,  seems LHD,  and house roof tiles  look continental.

c1915 Mors Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Standard 14 HP SLO Two-seater
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles I came across this one in Rootschat by Yellowbird showing Grandfather who was a chauffeur in the 1920 and 30s, and asking for make and date of car. Counted the bonnet louvres;  Humber, Morris Cowley?? --  Not either but it is British. Counting louvres, being four, and having a distinct hump on the top of the radiator, and having a continuous bodyline side suggests cca 1922 Standard SLO 14HP Two-seater/dickey.

1922 Standard SLO 14HP Two-seater & Dickey

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Ford Model T Coupe
Couple of lovely photos, which we have combined, received from Mark Vaughn (USA) of his
great-great "spinster sisters" aunts' car. The photos were put into his mother's autobiography/family history and now everyone wants to know what kind of car it was. -- This car was first introduced in 1923 to replace by then the rather outdated Coupe with suicide doors and also the Center Door Sedan. This a 'new' cca 1924 Ford Model T Coupe which was at the  expensive   end of range  at  $530.

1924 Ford Model T Coupe

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Renault NN Berline
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles we often come across photographs or old Postcards, including those for sale on Ebay, of very interesting ancient machinery which has not yet been identified, so we have a go !  --  One of the last manufacturers to use a rear radiator behind the engine. Also one of the last to use an alligator bonnet. This is a French  cca 1925 Renault NN  Semi-entoîlée, guess their version of Wayman roof?  Dating helped by  round  roundel. 

IDENTIFICATION & DATING:1926 Overland, 1924 Morris, 1925 Dodge
Surfing through the internet in attempting to identify old vehicles I came across this one in Rootschat by cliffkinch of family that he is trying to date. Identifying and dating the car may help.  --  On the left, reg PP 5071 is Buckingham County Council cca 1926 so the car is a cca 1926 Overland Model 93 Coach. Became Willys Whippet next year. Centre car is well hidden for ID but is likely cca 1924 Morris Bullnose Cowley. On the right Northampton CC Registration on a cca 1925 Dodge.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 Hillman 14 Saloon
Rather small size negative sent to us by Michael Morrish of Exeter (UK) saying the car belonged to Captain Desmond Phayre who lived in Chagford in Devon during the 1930s. Could we identify this motor car?   -- Registration RU 9929 was issued by Bournemouth County Borough Council ending 7'29. A couple of our experts agree this could be a cca 1929 Hillman 14 Saloon.  In view of suicide doors front and back, it was suggested this could be a Weyman fabric  rather than  standard saloon.

1929 Hillman 14 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1930 Morris Oxford Six Saloon
Another rather small size negative sent to us by Michael Morrish of Exeter (UK) saying the car belonged to the mother of Captain Desmond Phayre who lived in Chagford in Devon during the 1930s. Could we identify this car?   -- Poor negative and confusing gizmo/opening on the louvres. Could be spare wheel carrier or drop-arm opening?
A couple of our experts are quite sure this is a cca 1930 Morris Oxford Six Saloon from the  small hubcap  on the wheels,  normal way doors,  and bumper.

1930 Morris Oxford Six Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1931 Vauxhall 20'60 Saloon
Rather small size negative sent to us by Michael Morrish of Exeter (UK) saying the car belonged to Captain Desmond Phayre who lived in Chagford in Devon during the 1930s. Could we identify this motor car?   -- Registration GN 7643 was issued by London County Council in about February 1931. The car was made in Luton in the UK by General Motors of America who had taken over Vauxhall in 1925. Two normal way round doors so this is a cca1931 Vauxhall 20'60 Saloon known as the Silent Six.

1931 Vauxhall 20'60 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934 Packard Super Eight Sedan
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) who is a collector of old photos. Can we identify this photo of a car in the USA.  -- If we can make out the  number-plate correctly, this says 'California 1934'. The car is a high-priced luxury American Packard from Detroit but from the low angle of the photograph it is a little difficult to say if this one had the 8 cylinder or the 12 cylinder engine. Most   pointers  suggest this is a cca  1934  Packard  Super  Eight  Sedan.

1934 Packard Super Eight Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1938 Adler Trumpf Junior Cabriolet
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) who is a collector of old photos. Can we identify this photo of a vehicle made in mid - or late 1940s, after 1945.  -- Made in Germany so was perhaps liberated by the Russian soldier sitting in it. It was made in Frankfurt by an 1886 bicycle manufacturer but company was perhaps better known for making typewriters. One of a range of cars with front wheel drive, this is a  cca 1938  Adler  Trumpf Junior  Cabriolet  Type 1E.

1938 Adler Trumpf Junior Cabriolet 1E

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1942 GA M1 NKVD Saloon
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) who is a collector of old photos. Can we identify this photo of a vehicle made in mid - or late 1940s, after 1945.  -- This photo has all the makings of a Russian car in Russia, except for the spare wheel? We are relatively sure this is GAZ made by the Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod who were the follow-on of NAZ, who had an agreement with Ford of USA on Ford A. Town became Gorky, car 1938 GAZ M1 (NKVD) Emka, Ford B.

1938 GAZ M1 NKVD Emka

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1952 Ferrari Model 212 Export
Photos/info sent in by Tony Russell (UK) on behalf of
Suzy Miller whose father drove it.   It is a 1952 Ferrari Model 212 Export coachbuilt by Abbotts of Farnham Surrey for Mike Hawthorn whose business was TT Garage in Farnham. First shown at the 1952 Earls Court Motor described by some as "ugliest Ferrari ever made!". Then owned by William Scott of Ewell Surrey who employed Jack Wright, father of Suzy Miller. Re-bodied in 1986 as a Touring Barchetta. Abbott body no longer exists.

1952 Ferrari Model 212 Export

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1964 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe
Number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) who is a collector of old photos. Can we identify this photo of a diplomatic vehicle in Moscow.  -- Lovely photo of a cca 1964 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray  Coupe. Corvette name was introduced 1953 and is till made today. The car in  picture is a C2, a second generation car '63-67. In 64 changed to a single rear window. The current cars are the seventh generation. The C2 Corvette also had a new additional name' Sting Ray'.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown c1930 'Bitsa' Motorcycle
Interesting photos sent to us by Ravindra Naruka (India) who has a passion for old motorcycles and recently purchased this machine. Any ideas on year and make? -- A number of our experts have studied the photos and all agree that this is a 'bitsa', an assembly of parts of various makes of different dates judging by the obviously makeshift engine plates and non standard welds. The engine could be of c1930 Matchless sidevalve make as has similar crankcase, but of an OHC type.

Unknown c1930 'Bitsa' MotorcyclE

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Undated Citroen Special
Fascinating photos sent to us by Paul Kuster (Holland) who bought this special believed originally a Citroen 5HP built by a Citroen dealer in Douchy, eventually registered as a Mathis with an Aronde engine and tail from a shot down aeroplane. Registered in 1954. Can we date original 5HP. -- Honestly, NO. 88,000  Cs were made 1922/6. I have one and cannot see any 5HP bits recognisable as such. Wrong puny car to start on. Looks like the Yacco '33 Citroen Rosalie Special, but is not one.

Undated Citroen Special
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