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The SVVS Website currently
receives approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting
enquiries received, and information that we have provided :
Page 07 below relates to enquiries received
during
2006. Click
on picture to enlarge
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1901 Humber Forecar ?
Photo received from Mike Hardie (UK) researching
the family tree and coming across the first car owning ancestor, Allen
Howard. Eventually in 1901 he was the Manager at Fazely Gasworks, Tamwoth. Vehicle was difficult to identify and this is not a
positive identification. For further information please see photo. We
think it is a cca 1901 Humber Forecar. The
Stafford registration E 434
suggests that the vehicle was not used at the time of introduction of
registration, so is probably older.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1902 Parr 8HP Tonneau
Couple of photos received from
Martin Wade (UK) relating
to his wife's Great Grandfather, Harry Rowland Harding of
Leicester, one of the first car owners in the area and
the Hon Treasurer of a local motoring club. A very
unusual car which took some finding but finally confirmed by our Tim
Harding as being a cca
1902 Parr 8 HP Tonneau
manufactured by J. Parr & Co Ltd of Leicester. Transcripts of
Leicester CC records advise that the car was registered on the 12. 12.
1903, - to a Mr. H. R. Harding.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1906 Vulcan Swingseat Tonneau
Photo received from Terry Broughton (UK),
also connected with the enquiry above, of Dr Annie Cornall who
was the daughter of his Great Great Grandfather. She was one of the
first women registered medical practitioners, worked in India, and was a
Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons. The car is quite unusual being
a cca
1906 Vulcan 10 HP Swingseat Tonneau, made in Southport. The
front passenger seat swings round to give access to rear. Vulcan
mainly made commercials.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 Humber 8
Photo received from Colin Green (UK) who
is a fan of the 1968 film Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, and would like
to know what type of car it is that 'Truly Scrumptious' drives in the
film. The car may have been specially made. The photo shows a 1909
Humber 8. These were made only in 1909 and 1910. The
CUB1 registration is a Leeds County Borough Council series issued in
December 1935 and suggests that something was done to the car because
the registration is not an original 1909 car.
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DATING OF REGISTRATION: 1910
Ford Model T
Photo received from Barry Edwards (UK) of
his Grandfather in the front passenger seat, Grandmother left, of a Ford
Model T possibly owned by the J. Lyons Company. He
believes the photo was taken in the grounds of the J. Lyons Sports
Grounds at Sudbury Hill, Middlesex, in about 1915. The registration LA
5851 was issued by the London County Council. The LA series commenced in
April 1910 for cars at 3001 and terminated at 9800 July 1911. This would
make LA 5851 mid/late 1910.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1911 Flanders 20
Fascinating 'period' photo received
from Nancy Hunt (USA)
showing her mother and uncle, and grandmother at the wheel. Photo was
taken in Cleveland, Ohio about 1917. Granny was an intrepid driver,
touring with mother and daughter from Ohio to Mexico in 1936 on rough
roads. She often ran out of gas, and hiked to the Indian reservations to
get more. This car is a cca
1911 Flanders 20
made by
Everit,-Metzger-Flanders
in Detroit (1909/12), stablemate of 'EMF' and distributed by Studebaker.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1919 Dodge Brothers Model 3
Photo received from Gordon Beattie (USA) requesting
year and make ID on the automobile (Buick?). It belonged to his
grandfather who was a Buick dealer in Niagara Falls, NY, USA. Gordon's
mother is writing an autobiography and wants to include the picture in
her book. Sounds as if Gramps might have been a bit naughty because the
car in the picture is a cca 1919 Dodge Brothers Model 3 !! There was a
casual similarity between many US cars made during this period, but a Buick this is not !
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1919 Kelly-Springfield Truck
A further interesting Photo received from
Annette Hughes (UK)
from her grandfather's collection. It shows
a vehicle depot, possibly railway or removals, with some very unusual
heavy vehicles for the UK. At first glance they look like Renault but
Renault bonnets did not have louvers on the leading edge. It looked
American. They are in fact 1919
Kelly-Springfield. Registration number of the nearest lorry,
LU 9703, was issued by the London CC in April 1919, reserved for
"Heavy Motor Cars".
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1921 Seal
Photo received from Richard Weetman (UK) of
his Grandfather Albert Weetman. The vehicle is a 1921
Seal made by Haynes & Bradshaw of Manchester 1912-20 and
Seal Motors Ltd 1920-24. Very unusual three wheeler motorcycle and
sidecar with all occupants seated in the sidecar, powered by 980cc JAP V
twin engine. Registration letters in the photo are not clear; FB was
Bath and
FR was Blackpool, both 1921. After 1924 these were made for trade
only as "Progress", up to 1934.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1922 Rover 8
Photo received from John Govett (UK)
which was taken by his wife's Grandfather in 1923-4 of his wife
Gertrude and daughter Marjorie. The car was a much prized possession, as
the family had only very recently started to prosper. The photo was
taken on holiday in the Isle of Wight. Gramps was a trainee cinema
operator who went on to build his own cinemas in Rawtenstall, and
Haslingden. The car is a cca
1922 Rover 8, very popular (18,000) air-cooled
flat twin 2-seater, made 1919 - 1924.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1923 Maxwell
Photo received from Dave Costello (USA) of
his Aunt Margaret Costello. The car has a Michigan licence possibly
dated 1928, and "Detrolt" on the radiator. Car was owned by
her fiancé who had the reputation for flashy cars including a penchant
for Jags. This is a cca
1923 Maxwell possibly Model 25. The "Detrolt" is in
fact Detroit, a name started by Thomas-Detroit in 1906, who were taken
over by Chalmers in 1908 becoming Chalmers-Detroit, and then taken
over, in 1922, by Maxwell Motor Co.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1925 Royal Enfield 350
Lovely photo received from Jonathan
Lovejoy (UK)
showing his Grandfather and his then fiancé, later his Grandmother. It
was taken in North London. We can advise that it is a 1925
Royal Enfield 350. We can date the numberplate
pretty accurately; YL was a registration issued by London County Council
between July/November 1925. Our motorcycle expert Geoff Morris confirms
that the motorcycle is 350 cc, OHV, and a sporty model, and lady's
semi-cloche hat suggest photo from late '20s.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1926 Amilcar CGS3
One more of the photos received from Peter Daws (UK)
which we have been identifying. This one is
of a
1926
Amilcar CGS3. Registration BA6140 was issued by the Salford
County Borough Council in 1926. Amilars were manufactured in France
between 1921 and 1939 and this was a very sporty car indeed capable of
80mph even then. The car was designed by Edmond Moyet who was
'moonlighting' when he was being employed by Andre Citroen to design the
famous Citroen Model C 5CV.
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DATING OF POSTCARD: cca
1928
Photo received from Bob Hessian, Chairman of the Bicester Local
History Society (UK) of a rural scene in
Oxfordshire. He is trying to date the unused postcard and wondered if we
could tell from the registration number of the car on the right, WL
4961. Yes we can. The WL registartion was issued by County Borough
Council of Oxford in early 1928. The car on the left is a 1928/30 Austin
Seven Top Hat Saloon. The one on the right could be a Morris or
Standard. Not enough detail to tell.
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IDENTIFICATION AND VALUATION: cca
1928 Fiat 521c
Photo received from David Hindle (France)
who has recently purchased a property in Central France which has
been vacant for 48 years; some kind of family feud. There he found a
car, which he headed 'Peugeot', which is absolutely complete but has a
lot of rust damage. Wasn't Peugeot; we thought it was Italian, possibly
a 1928 Alfa Romeo 6C but were subsequently advised it was a 1928 Fiat
521C. Valuation in this sort of condition is what you can get for it;
lots more if it had been Alfa.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1928 Hillman 14 Saloon
One of a number of photos received from Peter Daws (UK)
which we have been identifying. This one is
of a
1928 Hillman 14
Saloon, having a 1954cc sidevalve engine. About
11,000 of these good quality cars were made between 1925 and 1930 with
various body styles. The price was £345 when an Austin 12 was costing
£455. The car was registered KO 7451, which was a number issued by Kent
County Council in Maidstone. KO series regn. commenced in February 1927
and finished in May 1928.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1929 Austin Chummy
Photo received from Malcolm Logan from Chiangmai (Thailand).
He was interested to know make, year
of make, type, and some indication of the value of the car in UK. Our
Austin Seven expert John Caddy advises this is a cca
1929/30 Austin Seven Chummy. The apparent Crest above the
windscreen is interesting. The King of Thailand had a Chummy, as did the
Dali Lama. Book values in the UK on a 1929 Chummy are £2,500 average,
£5,000 good, £7,000 excellent. Repatriation is
uneconomical.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1931 Albion PW 65 Coach
One of a number of photos received from Peter Daws (UK)
which we have been identifying. This
one is a 1931
Albion Coach in the Scottish
Highlands. Registration WG 575 was issued by Stirling County
Council in mid 1931. A very similar bus reg WG 1448 still exists, which
would have been registered at the end of 1932. This is a Model PW 65,
Alexander body, originally purchased by W. Alexander & Sons, their
F55. The one in the picture has the tag F30 so it was probably part of
the same fleet.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1936 Dodge Sedan
Photo received from Stian Skarestad Sjåvik (Norway). The
picture is of a grandfather of a friend of his posing with his
new car. The photo was taken in Norway (probably between 1935 and 1945).
His friend is making a scrapbook containing old family photos and would
very much like to add what kind of car his grandparents had. It was the
family's first car. We can advise that this is a 1936
Dodge Four Door Sedan, and is very similar to the
Dodge enquiry from Thailand shown lower down.
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IDENTIFICATION AND VALUATION: cca
1936 Dodge Sedan
Photo received from Malcolm Logan from Chiangmai (Thailand) of
a car available for sale locally. It was advertised as a 1935 Dodge and
he requested confirmation and value. The distinctive rad says this is a
1936 Dodge model. Buyer wants some 1.3m
Baht (£18,000). UK values £2,000/£4,000/£8,000.
US values excellent at about $14 -16,000. Adding a modern engine would
wipe the value. Looks a recent respray possibly hiding unknown problems.
Outer section of the grille is missing.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: We
Need Help !
Photo received from Chris Strohmeyer in Northern California (USA) of
a fiberglass special
with a 1940 Ford chassis and flathead V-8 engine. He needs
desperately to identify the vehicle in the photo. Can we help? At this
stage we regret that we cannot. This is not in our period nor strictly
within our sphere of interest. Notwithstanding, we are pleased to post
the picture in the hope that somebody knows something. Sadly we have
lost the link to a US website which specialised in just fiberglass
specials.
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INFORMATION REQUIRED: cca
1939 Dennis New World
Photos received from Michael Richards of the Pembrokeshire Motor
Museum (UK) advising they have a 1939
Dennis New World they are restoring and need pictures and info to get it
right. I saw a New Wold in Brighton on the 2006 Historic Commercial
London to Brighton Run ( www.svvs.org/gallery-bricomms6.shtml
). Organisers of the run were HCVS ( http://www.hcvs.co.uk
) and they may be able to put them in touch. Programme said owned by:
Horsham Veteran Fire Engine Pr. Gr.
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STOLEN - STOLEN - STOLEN -
STOLEN: 1973
MGB Roadster
Information received from SVVS Member
Stuart Owen (Italy) that
his son's 1973
MG B Roadster was stolen in Wandsworth,
London on 13/14 September 2006. Registered POB 656M with VIN
GHN532785G, Engine
N° BHM1111E 204057 (Lead Free C/H), and is fitted
with overdive. The car had a bare metal respray in Midnight Blue and has
a beige soft top, chrome bumpers, grille and wire wheels. The interior
is beige with cream leather seats, wood rim s/wheel and a crackle-black
instrument panel.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: We
Need Help !
Photo received from John Bakke (Norway)
of his grandfathers first car. Father claims that it was an Adler
or Adlerwerke, but he couldn't find any pictures to confirm. Neither
could we. The picture is very small and unclear so we requested
enlargement but got no further reply. All our experts say it is a 'German'
looking car. We tried Adler Clubs but got no answer. Possibly
an Opel, even a Laubfrosch. Other suggestions an Austro Daimler, Seyer
or Puch. American cyclecar or even a Panhard.
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PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED:
YOUR
H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
As can be seen from our Help Pages we
normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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contained in these pages has come from many different sources including
books, magazines, advertisements, sales brochures, web sites,
manufacturers and personal contacts. While we have tried to make sure
that any information given is as accurate as possible, we cannot take responsibility for any errors or omissions. If you
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