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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1898
Daimler Grafton Phaeton
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a British Documentary " History of the Motor
Car" made in 1999. Featured in one of six parts chronicling the development
of the motor car. --
This car is a cca
1898 Daimler Grafton Phaeton
manufactured in the UK after Harry Lawson purchased the Daimler Motor
Syndicate from Fredrick Simms and Gottlieb Daimler. UK Daimlers started
in 1897 having front Panhard type engines and tiller steering, - changed
to wheel steering.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1899
Locomobile & 1901 De Dion
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a Documentary " That was the Year: 1977 " made in
1991, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. --
Two cars are depicted.
By the vapour trail the left hand one is easy to determine as a
'steamer'. The one on the right is a Vis-a-Vis, front low mounted rad,
and has a three word make logo on the front. The first word has only two
letters. The cars are left a cca
1899 Locomobile and right 1901 De Dion Bouton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1904
New Orleans 15HP Tonneau
A photo received from Gail
Silverman (UK) of
her Grandfather taken in around 1920-30. He lived in
Holland Grove, Kennington at the time and worked as Head Hall Porter at
Whites Hotel in Bayswater. -- We
have had some difficulty in identifying the car until John Warburton
sent the photo to David Hales who identified it immediately, having
written about this car in the Automobile in 1995. It is a 1904
15HP New Orleans, made in Twickenham UK, based on Belgian
Vivinus, - costing then £561.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1908/9
Swift Tourer
Fascinating photo submitted by Ken Brown
(UK) relating to the Tomdoun Hotel.
The younger lady is the Aunt of a neighbour. --
Immediate thought was Argyll but some things did not tie in. Our John
Warburton had a 'eureka' moment and suggested a Swift. Swift Owners Club
were not initially sure sure but dug into their records and did
eventually provide a copy of a 1908 leaflet where many things agree
to a cca 1909 Swift Tourer, possibly
questioning year and model 12/24.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1909
Delaunay-Bellville Town Car
One of three very interesting
photos submitted by Janis Dumpis of Riga (Latvia). This
picture shows a rather nice town car not very warm for those in the
front seat. --
The car is a cca 1909 Delaunay-Bellville, made by one of France's
highest quality car makers. The radiator and the bonnet are
distinctively circular said to have been inspired by their boiler-making
background. Quality car with formal bodies favoured by Czar Nicholas of
Russia, kings of Greece and Spain, & French president.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1910/12 Stimula Tourer
Small photograph received from Cosmo
Schiavo of Salerno (Italy)
saying he hope we can help him identify a vintage car. We emailed
him for further clarification and background but did not receive the
courtesy of a reply. --
This one did the rounds of all our experts and various suggestions had
been put forward. Finally positively identified by Bryan Goodman as a
French "Stimula"
manufactured by De La Chapelle Freres et Cie, at St Chamond, Loire. Cars
made 1907 to 1914.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1916
Roamer Six Sedan
Damaged (by us repaired) photo submitted by
Harold Balbach, Co-President, Board
of Trustees Champaign County Historical Museum (USA)
from the collection of a prominent local
family. --
This is a cca
1916 Roamer Six Sedan with bespoke coachwork (perhaps
prototype) probably designed by Karl H. Martin. Springs confirm the
early dating. Post 1917, the bonnet had only a few louvers at the back.
Was then manufactured up the road in Streator but moved to
Kalamzoo in 1917.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917
Napier Charabanc
Another of a number of very interesting
photos submitted by George Wigglesworth (UK)
who is assembling the history of his local villages in Derbyshire. This
picture headed "Two 'charas' for a village trip outside the
'Three Horse Shoes' pub [now a private house] Lea, near Matlock,
Derbyshire. Alas no names of people or date.
-- Early
Derby registration dating lost. Napier built lorries for the War
Department. This looks a
cca 1914-18 Napier Lorry
with a post WW1
Charabanc body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1920
Daimler Charabanc
Another of a number of very interesting
photos submitted by George Wigglesworth (UK)
who is assembling the history of his local villages in Derbyshire. This
picture is from Dethick, Lea and Holloway. 'The driver was said
to be Bert Thorpe. Fred at front, Alice back corner, Percy behind
her.' --
The photo is damaged at the all important radiator but the little square
over the black upright on the rad side and the cast back and front
wheels all very much suggest a cca
1920 Daimler Charabanc.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1924
Citroen 5CV C3 Cabriolet
A photo received from Fred Reider of
Racine, Wisconsin (USA)
asking if we can tell him the make, model and year of the attached
vehicle photographed in Spain in approximately 1955? -- This
one is relatively easy as I have one exactly the same in the garage!
Photo shows a
Citroen 5CV C3 Cabriolet probably cca
1923/24 as it has flat mudguards. Chassis Engine number could date it
more accurately. For more info on the model C see my
website and for more info on my car see
web
page.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1924
Stoewer Tulip Bodied Phaeton
One of three very interesting
photos submitted by Janis Dumpis of Riga (Latvia).
No background advised to this photo. --
This is a cca 1924 Stoewer Tulip Bodied Phaeton. This style of body was
much favoured in Northern Europe during this period distinguished by the
curved overhang of the rear part of the body which is said to resemble a
Tulip. Stoewer was a German manufacturer in Stettin on the Baltic coast,
now Szczecin, part of Poland. Made cars, trucks and aero engines upto
1944.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1925
Reanult MR1 Wine Transporter
Possibly quite unique photo received from Fred Reider of
Racine, Wisconsin (USA)
asking if we can tell him the make, model and year of the attached
vehicle photographed in 1955 Spain? --
There seems to be no records anywhere of this model apart from a two
page document at the Berliet Foundation (now housing Renault archives, -
thanks!) advising that this was a cca
1925 Renault Model MR1 cab-over-engine
chassis. Renault made the chassis and engine, the wine tank by
others.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1929
Morris Comm & 1928 Dennis Lorry
Another of a number of very interesting
photos submitted by George Wigglesworth (UK)
who is assembling the history of his local villages in Derbyshire.
Lorry from John Smedley's knitware factory, decorated for an event in
Dethick, Lea and Holloway near Matlock. No date or names. They had a
tradition of generous support for their workers and the three villages.
There is also a car behind. --
Not a car but a truck, cca1929
Morris Commercial. In foreground is a cca 1927 Dennis
Lorry.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929
Stutz Model M Convertible Coupe
Photo received from Derek Loney of Hebden
Bridge, West Yorkshire (UK)
of his uncle in possibly a Stutz Model MB LeBaron. While
working in Argentina during the 1930s had an Auburn 12 Convertible and a
1930 Chevrolet Rumble Seat Roadster. He died in BA in 1937. -- We
agree that this is a Stutz but our friends at AACA do not think it is a
LeBaron. LeBaron were a specialist coachbuilder with a badge, whereas
this looks more like a cca
1929 Stutz Model M Convertible Coupe,
body by Stulz.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1930
Ford Model A Roadster
Another of a number of very interesting
photos submitted by George Wigglesworth (UK)
who is assembling the history of his local villages in Derbyshire. This
picture is from relatives in Canada, photographed in Canada. --
It is always much more difficult to tell a make of the car from the back
but our friends at the AACA immediately advised that this is a cca
1930/31 Ford Model A De Luxe Roadster with a missing dickie or
"rumble" seat. Note wheel chains to overcome
muddy roads.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1930
Leyland with Park Royal body
A photo received from Bob Cakebread (UK)
part of a collection of official press release photographs. Having got
involved with bus construction during his days at the Department for
Transport, he wanted to know what this bus operated by Bradford City
Tramways was. He wanted to know the chassis and body manufacturer.
-- When
enlarged, the badge on the rad says it is a Leyland.
A photo of a very similar 1930
Guy bus advised the body was Park Royal
Vehicles London.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1931
Wolseley 21'60 Landaulette
A photo received from Owen Matthews (UK)
of a car belonging his great granduncle
James Woodrow Matthews, Lloyds broker and benefactor of Topsham Town
Hall. What model of Minerva was this? -- Not
a Minerva as no distinctive shape of radiator top. Had us baffled
for a while but John Warburton identified is as a 1931 Wolseley 21'60
Straight Eight Landaulette. Reg was Devon CC. Rare car, few made due
early teething troubles. Expensive car; two chassis lengths and various
formal bodies.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1932
BMW R4 Series 1
Another lovely photo submitted by Jan Ludin
(Sweden) 'maybe
from late 30's'. --
Our motorcycle expert Robin Vince advises that
they are both of European origin as the left side exhausts give this
away. He also advises that the machine on the left is a German BMW. In 1931 BMW introduced a lightweight bike with a pressed
steel frame. The cutouts on the front mudguard suggest this is a later 1932
BMW R4 Series 1, single cylinder, OHV,
398cc, four stroke, 60mph / 100kph, made for one year.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1932
Rover Meteor Saloon
A rather unfortunate but interesting photo
received Simon Bishop (UK)
via the Singer Magazine showing a
crunched car being pulled out of the bushes. Was suggested that the car
may be a Maybach, but questioned. --
Definitely not a Maybach, a lot smaller than a typical Maybach, wrong
hand drive, wrong logo, and wrong general radiator shape. Radiator top
has the typical earlier Rover notched header, by then less pronounced.
The logo mid-rad has the RM of a British cca
1932 Rover Meteor Salon.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Citroen C4
pickup
Series of photos received from Jim Paling (UK)
from a colleague with an
old Citroen pick-up to dispose of. A saloon of the early
'30s with the back cut off to become a truck, mainly during the war. He hopes we may positively identify the date and
model of the vehicle. May be for sale so if interested, contact him on 0208 531 6422.
-- 1932
Citroen C4 cut down car.
'31 the wheels had 5 studs instead of 4. Vehicle is so derelict that
probably scrap value - no real market for this type of car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1934
& 1936 Scott Motorcycles
Two more lovely photos
received from David Champion (UK)
whose father
ran a shop in Dorking before WW2 (see Hillman; Help Page 28) and in the
earlier 1930's had two Scott Motorcycles.
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Our Geoff Morris advises these are a 1934
and a 1936 Scott, most likely
'Squirrels' and probably 500 cc capacity. They would have been water
cooled two strokes with 3 speed gears. Scotts made numerous models and
buyers could dictate their own specification, -as on these two lovely
examples.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934
Triumph Gloria 6 Flow Free
Stuart Owen (UK)
gave us the photo shown right at the Dinner asking if we could
provide any information on this car. It was known to be a Triumph but
not much more. Fortunately we had Jon Quiney
at the Dinner who knew the car immediately. Jon is a Triumph expert and
has a couple of exotic Triumphs himself. Click on 1934
Triumph Gloria 6 Flow Free for the full
story. Designed in 'streamline' year for the Olympia Motor Show as
a 'windcheater' named 'Flow-Free'. 25 built,
none left.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1936 Norton Model 30 International
Another lovely photo submitted by Jan Ludin
(Sweden) 'maybe
from late 30's'. --
Our motorcycle expert Robin Vince thinks the picture is of a cca 1936
Norton Model 30 International factory racer or one provided by the
factory for a leading privateer; "pie crusting" around the
lower edge of the tank, an overhead camshaft engine and extra,
unpainted, large oil tank below saddle for long high speed laps. From
white crossed number straps, the picture may be from the pits at
the Isle of Man TT.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1941 GM Nordiska ELC10
Trike
Another of a number of very interesting
photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden)
showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking
identification and dating. Jan has habit of
unearthing unusual vehicles and this really is no exception. -- Electric
three wheeled delivery vehicle built by General
Motors Nordiska AB in Stockholm during
WW2 when there was a shortage of petrol. Info supplied by Casper
Friedrich and more info on Konditori's
great website.
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FURTHER INFORMATION REQUESTED:1950
Three Wheeler Rixie?
Question asked by Alan W. Boal of San
Clemente, California (USA)
if we knew of a 1951 three wheeler light duty delivery truck which might
have been named Rixie? His father had one for about a year in
1963. --
We emailed to establish in which country, but did not receive the
courtesy of a reply. We are not aware of any manufacturer by the
name of Rixie or anything near it. But there was in the UK Turner three
wheler Taxi
named Rixi destined eastern markets. See great
website.
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PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED:
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H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
As can be seen from our Help Pages we
normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo
on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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