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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:  1899
Orient Express 4HP Phaeton
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell
(UK) seems to be on the lookout for
unusual cars and wondered if we knew what this one was, Found this in a
box of old photos -- German
car built by Bergmann Industriewerken at Gaggenau Baden and renamed as
cca 1899 Orient Express 4HP Phaeton,
sold in the UK by the
Automobile Association. Ladies were actresses in 'San Toy', a 'Chinese'
Musical Comedy which opened in Daly's Theatre London 1899 and ran for
768 performances, then to USA.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1899 Panhard-Levassor Tonneu Ferme
Cinema screen grab taken from a Spanish
film "El Baile" (The Dance), made in 1959, and where
cars are being investigated by IMCDB. -- This
is a very pretty little vehicle which is very interesting because it is
one of the earlier fully enclosed vehicle for the passengers; guys up
front still got wet. Our Ariejan Bos advises a
cca 1899 Panhard &
Levassor A2 Tonneu Ferme, 2 cylinder 6CV 1653cc,, otherwise a Wagonette
6 Places, or Petit Omnibus. Similar car at Schlumpf Collection,
Mulhouse, France.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Perhaps
c1900 Renault Watercooled
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was
interested in the vehicle posted by John Davies as second
car in Bootle Liverpool. -- Very
unusual radiator and not one we had seen before, so we asked Ariejan
Bos, and he had not seen it either. He thought however it was
early Renault
but with modified front and bodywork.
Same steering gear, frame and overall appearance. Perhaps early experiments
with water cooling before rads went on bonnet sides? But why in
Liverpool??
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1905
Daimler 28 HP Surrey
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was
interested in the vehicle posted by John Davies. Likely 1906? -- Indeed
another car from British Daimler company founded London 1896 who bought
right to use German Daimler name. UK's oldest car maker, Daimler
made a myriad of models in their fist years mostly differing in engine
size but similar bodies made by outside coachwork firms. Difficult to
distinguish between models, but likely a cca
1905 Daimler 28 HP but is a 'Surrey'.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1906
Daimler 35 HP Tourer
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was
interested in the vehicle posted on an Auckland NZ page. 1908 visit by
Prime Minister to town of Waipu. Daimler, but which model?
-- Indeed
a car from British Daimler company founded London 1896 who bought right
to use German Daimler name. Daimler made cars for British Royal
Family to 1950. This is medium sized car with rounded base to rad, so
after 1906, Difficult to distinguish models, likely a cca
1906 Daimler 35HP Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907
Daimler 35 HP Tourer
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was
interested in the vehicle posted on the AACA website. Yet another
Daimler but which model? Perhaps the bigger 45HP? -- Indeed
yet another car from British Daimler company founded London 1896 who bought right
to use German Daimler name. Daimler made numerous engine size
models in period but the overall size of the car did not alter much.
Could indeed be 45HP model but more likely it is another cca
1907 Daimler 35HP Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1907 Voisin Delagrange Pusher Biplane
Cinema screen grab taken from a
French-Canadian-German Mini Series "Les Faucheurs de marguerites"
(The Daisy Reapers), made in 1959, and where
cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Drama recounting the history of
early aviation. through eyes of fictional aviator. -- The
replica
airplane in background was built by
the Voisin Brothers in their factory for 'experimental machines'
for Leon Delagrange in 1907 with a 50 HP Antoinette engine. Charles
Voisin flew it for a full 10 meters !!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Probably
c1907 Sunbeam GPO Van
Lovely photo sent to us by Leyland expert
Mike Sutcliffe (UK) who
has a wonderful collection of fully restored pre-1925 Leyland busses.
Do you know the make of this lovely thing? -- It
looked like a very unusual Sunbeam GPO Van. Confusing registration
suggesting London 1906, but looks bit more recent; perhaps reg transfer
or delay? We contacted Sunbeam expert Bruce Dowell who suggested
probably a cca
1907 Sunbeam 35 HP Chassis. A
curiously rounded base to a tallish radiator.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907
Vauxhall 12'16 Two Seater
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was
interested in the vehicle posted by John Davies as 'Motor Smash
Towcester'. Not that familiar with detailed changes to Vauxhalls in
that era; 18 or A?. -- From
our records it seems 18HP was first introduced in October 1905, when
the design started for the 12'16. 12'16 then made from November 1906 to
1909. Photo August '08, car not new. Model A after October'08. So would
be a cca
1907 Vauxhall 12'16 Two Seater
standard factory body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Probably
c1908 Halley 2 ton Lorry
Fascinating period photo sent to us by
Leyland expert Mike Sutcliffe (UK) who
has collection of restored vintage Leyland buses. Could this be an
Arrol Johnson? -- Humpy
not smooth rad top. Owners Robertson Engineering were
based in Glasgow and were general engineers also making bits for the
military. Difficult to make out from the photos but we feel this could be a
Glasgow built cca 1908 Halley 2T Lorry crossing narrows at Glenelg to
Skye on 1912 turntable flat bottom ferry Glencoe.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908
Albion 24'30 Landaulette
Another interesting photo posted on Facebook by John Davies (UK)
ooking for identification. This one is titled: Vehicles in
Cumnock Ayrshire. Could the car be from the Continent? --
Cumnock Ayrshire is in Scotland and is not a great distance from
Glasgow where this car was made. Reg seems local too, 1908. Company
became very well known for manufacture of busses and lorries to 1972.
Started making cars in 1900 to only 1915. This is rather big plush cca
1908 Albion 24'30 Landaulette.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909
Wolseley Siddeley 16'20 Tourer
Another interesting photo posted on Facebook by
John Davies (UK) looking
for identification. This one is titled: Vehicles in Cumnock Ayrshire.
-- Car
company with a complex history. Built
by the Vickers 'Wolseley' organization which had just parted with
Herbert Austin and appointed JD Siddeley as GM. Name of car changed in
1906 to Wolseley Siddeley. This is medium sized car with rounded
scuttle so late just pre Captain Deasy so probably cca
1909 Wolseley Siddeley 16'20 Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1910 Clement Bayard AC2 Two-Seater
Cinema screen grab taken from a
French-Canadian-German Mini Series "Les Faucheurs de marguerites"
(The Daisy Reapers), made in 1959, and where
cars are being investigated by IMCDB. Drama recounting the history of
early aviation. through eyes of fictional aviator. -- Lovely
little car with a coal scuttle bonnet and one of a number of makes with
a bulkhead radiator. This seems to be a slightly later than event
cca
1910 Clement Bayard AC2 Two-Seater with
a twin cylinder engine of 8'10 HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1910
Audi Model A Sportswagen
Cute photo posted on Facebook by Jeannett
Tas (Turkey) wondering
what the car was? -- This
is a well known and much used photo to illustrate the start of Audi
cars after August Horch left his company and started a new factory in
1910 in the same town. He was forced to use a different name so used
the Latin for Horch, listen > Audi. This is a cca
1910 Audi Model A 10'22 Sportswagen.
Have not been able to find out anything about the little girl but the
chauffeur is hiding behind car!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911
Turicum Model D 8'16 Tourer
Very puzzling photo sent to us by Pär
Sörliden from (Sweden) taken in a
small town outside Växjö. But coming up blank on car.
-- Difficult
one! None of our experts had positive suggestions. Car was pre WW1, bit
like an Adler or NSU, perhaps English because of the mudguards, Close.
Swiss car from a Zurich company but made in Ulster UK and named Zurich
in Latin. This is a cca
1911 Turicum Model D 8'16 Tourer wirh
a four cylinder engine and leather shod friction drive. Closed WW1
1914.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911
Stearns-Knight Toy Tonneau
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was
interested in the vehicle posted
by Gilbert Cunningham. The driver was the maternal grandfather of one
Bob Snyder . Possibly a 1908 Austin? -- Unlikely
as Austin had a flatish top to bonnet. Our Ariejan Bos did some digging
and is pleased to advise it is an American car manufactured in
Cleveland by company started in 1897. This one is fitted with a Knight
Sleeve Valve engine and is a cca
1911 Stearns-Knight 40HP Toy Tonneau Runabout.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911
Austin 18/24 Speedily Phaeton
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was
interested in the vehicle posted by John Davies as 'Austin in
Cornwall'. What is the model? -- From
the tyre marks obviously a big Austin which had skidded up the hill.
Registration T 1934 is a Devon County Council of 1911. Could be the
!5HP but with wire weels it is a rare cca 1911 Austin 18/24 Speedily
Phaeton, a sporting version of the 18'24 with 5 litre 4 cylinder
engine, 4 speed box, and a high ratio rear axle for high speed
cruising.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1912
Renault 20CV Torpedo
Slightly grainy photo posted on Facebook
by Richard Quinn (USA) having
been taken from original glass plate negative. No info on the car or
subjects. Looking for identification.. --
Car not made in USA but in Paris, France. Noticeable
that it has full height front door and has angular type of radiator.
This points to a cca 1912 car and as it has the slightly bulbous centre
to forward body, probably not the 10/11 but the slightly bigger cca
1912 Renault 20CV Torpedo
Tourer, 4 cyl. 5,020 cc.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Possibly
c1912 Mathis Hermes
Very puzzling photo posted on the AACA
Forum by Leif Holmberg
(Sweden).
-- Not
a positive identification but only make we know with
conical front to radiator is the Hermes. Not the Belgian-Italian
Hermes with Renault type bonnet, as they closed in 1909. Not the
Bugatti designed Hermes-Simplex finished by 1906. Could be like the cca
1912 Mathis-Hermes 12 or 16, by
Appareils Mechaniques et Enrenages in Bressoux, Belgium, 1912-1914. Our
Arian Bos thinks it is cca 1915 Opel.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913
Metallurgique 15'20 Tourer
Another very interesting photograph sent to us by Andrew
Kostinn from Moscow (Russia)
showing a vehicle in the Crimea in 1927. Is it possible to identify
this car?
-- Just
! Car is pre WW1. The radiator is of the 'bullnose' type and two
companies had similar. Chevrolet from USA, the other from Europe.
Wheels suggest Europe. The car was built in Belgium but the body is
very unusual and the bonnet has been badly repaired. This is cca
1913 Metallurgique 15'20 Tourer, seen
better days!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922
Leyland C3 Tower Wagon
Fascinating period photo sent to us by
Leyland expert Mike Sutcliffe (UK) who
has collection of restored vintage Leyland buses. BC 8077. new in 1923,
later 'preserved' in the open. He rescued the remains, and a Leyland S3
engine, which went into restoration of his 1913 Barnsley & District
bus. -- Photo
shows 1922
Leyland C 3T Tower Wagon with one
headlight WW2 masked. BC 8077 was Leicester CBC reg. Has an Air Raid
Precautions lable on headlight, with high level Warden directing
traffic.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1930s
cars in Leyland Photo
Fascinating period photo above sent to us
by Leyland expert Mike Sutcliffe (UK) who
has collection of restored vintage Leyland busses. Can we advise makes
of three cars in the photo?. -- Car
on left 1936'7
Hillman Hawk Saloon; Halifax CBC 1936;
ID feature: no rear lamp on wing. Car in middle: 1935'7
Morris Eight Series 1 Tourer; No Reg
readable; ID feature: Two panel rad. Right: 1937'40
Standard Flying 14 with one headlight
WW2 masked; No Reg; ID feature: Chrome rad rim.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1938
Wanderer W23 Limousine
Photo sent by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia)
who is collector of old photos. Can we
identify this car in a photo from a fellow Russian collector? -- Nearly
impossible, but likely German wheel, double suicide doors, split
screen, no quarter-light, third side window, chrome horn push,
and centrally positioned jacking point. Our German correspondent Raoul
Reiner suggested Audi or Wanderer, difficult to distinguish as same
body, but hub cap suggests cca
1938 Wanderer W32 Limousine.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1964 Ramses 2A Saloon
Cinema screen grab taken from Egyptian
documentary "Ramses the Car" made in 2008 investigated by
IMCDB? -- 'Ramses'
was a publically chosen name for Egypt's first car 1958 based on
British Frisky, but test car broke down, so chose German NSU based on
Prinz 4 engine and local body. Made by hand at 3-4 a day:
Utilica; jeep, Ramses 2 A&B 1963-5: saloon & convertible,
B like Prinz. Ramses 3: few made. So this one would be a cca
1964 Ramses 2A Saloon, rear 2
cylinder 600cc 20HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: UNIDENTIFIED
c1906 Two Seater
Very puzzling photo posted his website
page by motoring journalist Michael Schlenger which remains
unidentified? -- ...
And it continues to remain so despite our best efforts. None of our
specialists have been able to identify it beyond being typical
German
voiturette of the 1906 era. The lid on
top of bonnet was a feature of several German makes, like Rex-Simplex.
However most without chain drive. Citomobil had, but no lid. Also, not
seen such bonnet bar on a German car. HELP NEEDED !
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