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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Turn
of the Century Argyll
Photo received from Gary
Vickers, Lincoln (UK)
asking if it was a car by Richardson of
Saxilby, Lincoln. This picture has taken months to identify and did the
rounds of all our experts. It was then put on the brilliant www.PreWarCar.com
site, with no firm
identification, and was then published in the 'bible', The Automobile
mag.
At this point our Bryan Goodman saw it and identified it as a
early
Argyll. The distinguishing features seem to be the plated louvres &
rear slung handbrake handle.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1903 De Dion Bouton 8HP Tonneau
Another of a series of photos received from
Maggi Wilson (USA).
This one is registered CP 8 which is a Halifax Registration. Our Tim
Harding confirmed the car is a 1903
De Dion Bouton 8HP Tonneau and he had
information that CP8 was registered to a Donald Sayer of Halifax. As
registrations began in 1904, cars already on the road were registered at
end of 1903, this one on 28th December 1903. First period photo shows it
at Kirkstone Pass in the Lake District and the second very much later.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1904 Peugeot
This photo received from David Shearer
(UK) is
another that has taken some time to identify. Airbrushing out the top of
front mudguard suggested a tall header tank, a Peugeot? What is
confusing is that the rear mudguards have the enlarged hump of a chain
driven car, but there are no chains or sprockets evident. Our Bryan
Goodman advised it is indeed a
cca 1904 Peugeot. It seems that in the
1903 - 1904 period models were available with either
type of drive, so same mudguards.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1905 Argyll
Photo received from John Stubbs
from Bramley Village, Hants (UK) who
some thirty years ago spoke to a lady who worked at the local post
office before the war, and had collected some of the postcards of the
village. He copied them by taking 35mm photographs so the definition has
suffered. From another photo the registration appears to be LS 95. This
was issued by Selkirk County Council (southern Scotland, no dating info
remains). The car is also from Scotland,
being a cca
1905 Argyll.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1907 Horbick 10/12
One of a series of photos received from
Maggi Wilson (USA) whose
family owned an apartment complex in the USA and the
photos belonged to a tenant who died without any family.
All cars have British registrations. All seem to have 'C' which were issued by Yorkshire County Council, records now lost. The car
on the left is the most interesting, identified by our Tim Harding as being a
cca
1907 Horbick, poss a
10/12. These were made by Horsfall & Bickham of Manchester.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1907 Charron (CGV)
The two other cars from the same photo as
above received from Maggi Wilson (USA).
Left is the Horbick, middle is a Humber (further details in
the item lower down). The car on right is also relatively unusual being a cca
1907 Charron. CGV cars were made in France by Charron, Girardot et Voigt and
sold as CGV until 1907 and as Charrons thereafter to 1930. Quite a few
chassis were exported to Britain and full cars were also eventually made
in Britain. CGV Charron
also made first armored cars.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1908 Humber 15HP
The Humber in the middle of the photo received from Maggi Wilson (USA),
was confirmed by our Tim Harding as being a
cca
1907/08 'Coventry' Humber 15 HP. This
differentiates it from being a 'Beeston' Humber. It is unfortunate that
the West Riding Yorkshire registration data is no longer available as
this would help to date the car more accurately. It is quite probable
however that the photos were taken some years later because the
fashions appear to be lot more modern.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1910
Humber 12 Doctor's Landaulette
Photo from Alan Griffin of
Leamington Spa (UK) who
is a local historian and who recently purchased some early
photographic postcards which he wishes to use in a forthcoming book. The
cards show a rather eccentric local vet named Eusebius Gustavus
Crowhurst; one of him in his newly acquired motor car. He would very
much like to identify the make of this car if possible. We can confirm
that it is a 1910
Humber 12 Doctor's Landaulette. For more pics and info on
EGC, click on the photo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1910 Star 12HP
Lovely photo received from Nigel
Giles in Devon (UK)
of his wife's great grandfather John Frank Eaton (driving), great
great grandfather John Eaton, and standing, her grandfather Frank
Herbert Eaton. They were mining engineers that 'sunk' a number of coal
mines in Yorkshire and the North. The car in the picture has been
confirmed by our Star expert John Warburton as being a cca
1910 Star 12HP. The body is unusual but may have been a
factory style. For more info on JFE, click on the photo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1910 Darracq Tourer
Photo received from Patrick
Elliott (France) showing his wife's
grandfather, William Lenny Green somewhere in London. He spent
some time in France and it is believed that he may have been some sort
of interpreter at the Trial of Albert Dreyfuss in France around about
the turn of the century. Patrick was told car could be a 1906 Darracq,
possibly purchased from the Motor Show. It is indeed a Darracq,
but poss cca
1910 Darracq 14/16 Tourer. Olympia
Motor Show started 1905
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1912 Vinot et Deguingand
Another of a series of photos received from
Maggi Wilson (USA).
This one is also of a very unusual car registered C6250, so also West
Riding of Yorkshire for which no registration records are available. The
car, again identified by our Tim Harding, is a cca
1912/14 Vinot et Deguingand which were
made in France and originally sold in the UK as La Silencieouse. In France
they were later known as simply Vinot. Vinot took over Gladiator in
1909, making both cars. Ceased trading in 1926.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1912 Rover 12
Photo received from Gordon Keyte (UK)
of his Grandfather who was a
chauffer. The photograph was probably taken near Alvechurch,
Worcestershire around 1910 to 1920. We can confirm that this is a cca
1912 Rover 12. The photographer was based in Worcester. The
Registration appears to have AB 2??4, which is a Worcester County
Council issue between January 1912 and January 1913. Gramps later
worked for Austin and drove to Brooklands with the Austin racing cars.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1912 Talbot 25
Another of a series of photos received from
Maggi Wilson (USA),
this one marked Percy Lambert 1913. Very interesting photo because this
was the famous 1912
25HP 4.5 litre side valve Talbot which,
driven by Percy Lambert, was the first car to cover 100 miles in the
hour, at Brooklands on Friday 15th February 1913. A few months later on
21st October 1913 Percy Lambert was killed trying to regain the record
from Peugeot. This photo may have been
taken on the second occasion.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1917 Triumph Model H
Photo received from Peter Shaw (UK)
of a motorcycle which he believed could be
a Singer. Our motorbike expert Geoff Morris advises that this is
a 1915/18
550cc Triumph ' Model H '. The
accurate dating bit is on the other side! This bike was used
extensively in WW1 as the standard dispatch rider's machine. Thousands
came back to the Slough 'Dump' and were reconditioned and sold to eager
public hungry for motorised transport. Regn. J4643 is Durham but
no dating records left.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1917 Buick Tourer
Photo from our snapper Tony Oakes (UK)
which he received from one of his relations showing their Grandfather,
with a request for identification and dating. Tony and I both agree that
this is an American Buick, having artillery wheels. I
think it is a cca
1917 Buick D34 or D35 because of the flat mudguards. Earlier
and later cars had rounded mudguards. Possibly a D45 Six. British numberplate but cannot
make out letters. Interesting headlamps, suggesting WW1
blackout masks?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1922 Chevrolet 490 Touring
Photo received from Carol Jones of
Wales (UK) of her
great grandfather and family. Aunt thought the car was a
Chevrolet. We can confirm that the car is a cca
1922 Chevrolet 490 Touring. Registration FC was issued by the
County Borough Council of Oxford in late 1921/22. Chevrolet was already
part of General Motors at the time. Most Chevrolets imported into the UK
were manufactured at Chevrolet's Canadian plant. Car has not
survived. For more info, click on the photo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1926 Clyno
Photo from Chris Stock (UK)
of his Grandfather and his Sister sitting on the running board of
a car. Gramps was born in 1900 and would be in his mid twenties in the
photo. Chris was after an approximate date for genealogical purposes.
Due email problems we did not get the photo until recently, by
which time Chris had identified the car himself as a cca
1926 Clyno. Well done! A Clyno it is, but we think
a little earlier, as it has fewer larger louvers, high
headlamps, and also no front brakes.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1928 Chandler Sedan
Photo received from Joe Layton (USA)
which was given to him by his
Father who was trying to help a friend identify the automobile. It has
an unusual horizontal louvers on the hood. The picture was taken in
Estacada, Oregon, USA. around 1930 or so. We can advise that it is a cca
1928 Chandler Four Door Sedan. The Chandler Motor Company
made cars between 1913 and 1929. They got into financial difficulties in
1929 and absorbed by Hupmobile. Having a wooden frames,
fewer survived.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1928 Morris Cowley
Photo received from John Hunter,
Bridgend (UK). His
mother and father died when he was quite young, and very recently
the only photo was discovered of his mother, sitting in the family car.
The numberplate appears to read UH 4612 which would have been
issued by Cardiff County Borough Council in 1928. Our Chas Moody
identified the car as a 1928 Morris Cowley Two Seater with Dickey,
11.9hp, 1548cc. The car is not on the Morris register or at the
DVLA so probably has not survived.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1935 Bedford Ute*
Bit like London busses, you never see one,
but then two come together! Another photo arrived from Australia
sent by Dale Charsley saying he was
lucky enough to find a neglected Bedford Ute left outside to rot. It is
now stored under cover and ready for restoration. Its body number is
292, the model is ASXC, the chasis number is GLMR RD D8 B8. This is a
very similar car to that shown lower down, suggesting part of the same
batch. He will need to contact some Bedford specialists for further
info.
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RESTORATION PROJECT: 1937
Fiat 500 Topolino
Photos received from Geoff
(UK) advising that friends
had
a 1937
Fiat 500 Convertible Saloon, asking for
valuation. The car
has been taken to pieces as can be seen from the attached photos and
seems in 'barn find' condition. All the bits were
there as well as quite a lot of spares also. They were asking about
£1,500 for it. Current values
(in 2006) were £1k average, £2k good and £6K
concours. However, a mint example was available for sale in UK for £8K,
and in Ireland recently for €15K (£10K).
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1935 Bedford Ute*
Interesting photo received from Suzanne
Taylor (Australia) of
a pickup with a request for Dating and Value. We think it is a Bedford
with a Holden type body. There are inconsistencies from both the ASYC
and the PC Bedfords so we have to be vague at it being a
cca 1935 Bedford Pick-up, generally
referred to locally as a "Ute". Similar vehicle can be seen on
the Restored
Classics website. Value in the UK would
be low so are asking Webmaster Tubby in Oz to see if he can get any
further info.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1936 Hanomag Rekord
Another photo received from Malcolm Logan from Doisaket, Chiangmai (Thailand).
His group of classic enthusiasts has found this car,
probably late 1930s era, with original engine claimed running, good
body, no rust or crash repairs. Not much known about the underside.
Instruments look in good shape. Interested to know the year of
manufacture and approximate value. The cars is a cca 1936
Hanomag Rekord. No book values and no such cars currently for
sale. Guess at : £1k, £3k and £8K.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1939 Rover Tickford DHC
Photo received from Erik Anderson (USA) of
a Tickford Rover with a request for further information and Value.
Tickford were well known body manufacturer who put bodies on many
makes of cars. He advises this is a cca
1939 Rover, then as it has wire wheels it is probably a 14. Tickford bodied cars are quite collectable and this one came to the
USA through a Christie’s Auction. The value is therefore in the provenance
& specialised. Suggest getting an update from Christies for current
value.
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FURTHER INFORMATION REQUEST: cca
1954 Lester Riley
Photo received from Alessandro Lama
(Italy) of his
car which he believes is a 1954
Lester Riley. Our Riley experts are not
aware of Harry Lester having built Riley Based Specials because he is
famous for the Lester MGs such as those supplied to the Monkey Stable
and raced by Polaroid heir Jim Mayer and his team (click
if you want to know more). Possibly a
Riley engine, but our Riley chaps think the Riley cassis would have been
bit heavy for completion. This is a bit too specialised for us.
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PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED:
YOUR
H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
As can be seen from our Help Pages we
normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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