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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided.  While page is being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,  cars are in year order:

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IDENTIFICATION/DATING:  SVVS HELP PAGES have some 3,000 Enquiries Received & Identified

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907 Wasp Limousine
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) was intrigued by this photo featured on facebook. Photo is labeled Daimler but that is the car off to right. -- Our Ariejan Bos has identified photo some months back and was featured in the Veteran Car Club of NZ magazine. This is a British Made cca 1907 Wasp Limousine, powered by a Mutel engine. Two models were listed 1907/8, both sixes, at 3L and 8.1L.  Connection to  'Courier'  by Euston Motor Co with French Gnome engine.

1907 Wasp Limousine

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907 Brown Double Phaeton
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) was intrigued by this photo featured on facebook and taken in Wellington outside the Legislative Council building. -- Our Ariejan Bos has not only identified the car as a cca 1907 Brown Double Phaeton but advised that he has determined that Royal Star of Belgium actually made the cars for factors Brown Brothers, who also had cars made by Star, and Stanley White. Brown Bros also sold cycles/motorcycles and many accessories.

1907 Brown Double Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908 Humber 10'12 Two-Seater
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) was intrigued by this photo of supposedly the first car in Hastings (NZ). Bit odd as it is too late. I think this is a Humber - circa 1910. -- We have had a very similar car on our Help Page 45. Smaller wheelhub and half door, so after 1906. Mudguards simply bent, so not after 1908/9 latest. Multiple louvers, so 1907/9. Yes, confirmed by John Tarring of Brooklands as a cca 1908 Humber 10'12 Two-Seater  made in Coventry, - as he has one !

1908 Humber 10'12 Two-Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1910 Wolseley Siddeley 16'20 Tourer
One of a number of puzzling photo received from Eddie Britain (UK) asking if we can please identify cars either owned by the family or belonging to friends of the family.   -- This one seems to have registration OI 775 which would be from Belfast in Northern Ireland. Reg dating data not available. Car seems to have a painted radiator surround and has basic angular front door, a fashion which would make it a cca 1910 Wolseley Siddeley, either a 12'16 or maybe a 16'20 Tourer.

1910 Wolseley Siddeley 16'20 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1910 Reanult BX 14'20 Tourer
Cinema screen grab taken from a 1970 American musical film "Darling Lili" being investigated by IMCDB. Film about WW1 British singer who is also a German Spy (Julie Andrews) and air ace German uncle (Jeremy Kemp).  --  Film was shot in Brussels for Paris and in Ireland at Weston Aerodrome. Released twice due directorial disagreements; 'directors cut' 1991.  Photos are all very dark and very pixly but we are relatively sure this car is a Paris France made  cca 1910 Reanult BX 14'20 Tourer.

1910 Reanult BX 14'20 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1918 WAF 5 Ton Lorry
One of number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia) who is collector of old photos. Can we identify vehicle photo of a truck used by Austrian military personnel in 1919. --  Quite badly scratched and damaged photo which we have repaired. Unusual oval radiator, and unusual shape of wheel hub. Both make us think of Wiener Automobil Fabrik, WAF, who made cars and lorries in Vienna, Austria.  This is probably  the big  brother, a cca 1918 WAF 5 Ton Lorry

1918 WAF 5 Ton Lorry

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1922 Belsize Bradshaw 9HP 2-3 Seater
Lovely period photo sent to us by Andy Dyks (UK) trying to identify car driven by grandfather Alf Marshall and wife  Dora of Wellingborough. He is writing autobiography about Uncle John (son of Alf and Dora) and would like to use photo. --  Quick, response by our Tim Harding: This is a Belsize-Bradshaw 9 hp of 1922 or 1923, like mine! Made by Belsize of Manchester, introduced 1921-24 as separate model with 9HP 1370cc V-twin Dorman engine that was partly  air-cooled and  partly oil-cooled.

1922 Belsize Bradshaw 9HP 2-3 Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1922 Singer 10HP Two-seat Tourer
Very poor period photo (repaired) sent to us by  Dean McCarthy, Dublin, (Ireland). "This is my Grandfather's first car, I have no idea what make it is, can anyone help me out ? Is it an AC 12HP?  -- No not an Auto Carriers (bacame AC 1922) . Many cars of the period looked very similar but the ID feature here is the two small circular bonnet catches, and moldings and height of the side. A number of our experts suggested it was in fact a cca 1922 Singer 10HP Two-Seater with a rear Dickey Seat.

1922 Singer 10HP Two-seat Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Tilling Stevens Coaches 1922-28
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please help ID these 3 buses in West/North Yorkshire?  -- A spread of years but we are relatively sure all busses were made by Tilling Stevens of Maidstone in Kent. Registration on the oldest on the left appears to be WY which was West Riding of Yorkshire cca 1922 and the newest one on the right is WW 7113 which is cca 1928. No reg visible on the middle one but cca 1927.

Tilling Stevens Coaches 1922-28

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1924 Wolseley 10 Two Seater
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please help ID this vehicle parked up in Dunster?Plate RW 814....I think [Coventry]? -- The original picture is bit pixly and damaged but our Tony Oakers thinks it is a cca 1924 Wolseley 10 Two Seater with Dickey. Closer study of the original indicates couple of louvres on bonnet, vent flap, five stud wheels, horn through screen support and single piece windscreen, all confirming car.

1924 Wolseley 10 Two Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1927 BSA V-Twin 770cc Combination
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please identify this Motorcycle. Is it a Brough..any ideas?"  -- Not an easy one as most of the big motorcycle is hidden by the large sidecar, Two of our experts doubt Rudge and one suggests from tank side panels it is probably a cca 1927 BSA V-Twin 770cc Motorcycle-Combination, with a beastie of a sidecar with a dickie seat at back (similar to one in which he remembers being as a child).

1927 BSA V-Twin 770cc Combination

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1927 Karrier KL Bus
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please help ID this this Huddersfield bus? --  Only half photo. Not quite sure what photographer was looking at. Not much to go on but our new helper on northern commercials John Stringer came back with chapter and verse: Huddersfield Corporation fleet number 56, registered CX 9848, Huddesfield made 1927 Karrier KL with Northern Counties 30-seat front entrance bodywork, new 1933/4.

1927 Karrier KL Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1928 Albion Viking Model 26
Another very puzzling period photo which was a glass negative sent by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please identify tourist bus in St Georges Square, Huddersfield; Reg RR 8929...Northamptonshire?"  -  'Unidentified' on Help Page 123 but John Stringer advised this is a cca 1928 Albion Viking Model 26. Some Albion Model 24 and 26s when built for coach use had this more ornate chromed radiator shell. This "Come & see Scarborough" show bus was built on drop-framed coach chassis.

c1928 Albion Viking Model 26

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1929 Tilling Stevens B10A Bus 
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please help ID this East Yorkshire bus, destination Beverley & Hull. Plate KH 7975. --  This one seems to have registration KH but it is a bit blurred. If KH 7975 then it was issued by Kingston upon Hull CBC in 1929. The vehicle is therefore a cca 1929 Tilling Stevens B10A Bus made by Tilling Stevens of Maidstone in Kent who specialised in petrol-electric vehicle, IC engine driving generator. 

1929 Tilling Stevens B10A Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1929 Leyland Titan TD1
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please help ID this double decker, Reg WX 2105 --  John Stringer came back with chapter and verse: cca 1929 Leyland Titan TD1 with Leyland 51-seat lowbridge bodywork, new to the West Yorkshire Road Car Co. of Harrogate as fleet number 422. Withdrawn from service 1937, passed to dealer North's of Sherburn-in-Elmet, who sold it on to the Western SMT Co. of Kilmarnock Scotland.

1929 Leyland Titan TD1

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1929 Bristol B type B32F United Autos
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please help ID this bus coming out of Staithes please? Reg is VF 5171.  -- We needed help from the Old Bus Photos website which placed our enquiry on their Comments page. Number of people kindly responded advising this was a cca 1929 Bristol B Type, chassis B489, and B32F body by United Automobile Services of Lowestoft, body number 1710. Was from Bristol's biggest order of 130.

1929 Bristol B type B32F United Autos

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1930 Tilling-Stevens B10A2
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please help ID two buses but probably same; WX 5901 --  John Stringer came back with chapter and verse: Both WX 5901, a cca 1930 Tilling-Stevens B10A2 with United 30-seater bodywork, new to West Yorkshire Road Car Co. of Harrogate, fleet number 703. Withdrawn at the outbreak of the war in September 1939 it was stored until 1946 when it was sold for further use to 1951.

1930 Tilling-Stevens B10A2

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1930s Tilling Stevens Coaches
Another interesting period photo from a glass negative sent to us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) " Can you please help ID this convoy of buses in Kettlewell, Wharfedale, in the Yorkshire Dales.  -- Difficult to tell from the back as bodies would have been coachbuilt by others, but we are relatively sure all busses were Tilling Stevens. Bodies look as if they may have been made by Short Brothers. Rear bus registration WX 2139. Probably the same outing of coaches as shown on Help Page 125

1930s Tilling Stevens Coaches

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1933 Ford Model B Fordor Saloon
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK) found this grainy photo on a vintage hot rod website. Appears to be a large saloon towing a very early British dragster on a trailer. Photo probably taken in the UK early 60's. Any ideas on what the tow car is? -- Bit of head scratching but our Mark Dawber recons a cca 1933 Ford Model B Fordor Saloon. Can't say whether a Four or V8. Some models differ on conventional/suicide door arrangement and a straight headlamp bar,  perhaps British made differ.

1933 Ford Model B Fordor Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Probably c1937 BMW 326 Saloon
One of a number of puzzling photo received from Eddie Britain (UK) asking if we can please identify cars either owned by the family or belonging to friends of the family.   -- This photo is tiny and unclear and the car does not seem to have a visible registration. The lady by the front door of the house has a flamboyant dress which seems like a costume worn in Germany. The car, back view, also seems to be a German, introduced in 1936, and is probably cca 1937 BMW 326 Saloon.

Probably c1937 BMW 326 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1947 Humber Snipe Saloon
Part of a photo of the front of a car being used on an unnamed ceremonial occasion sent to us by Alister Brown (Australia) asking if we are able to identify the year and make of the vehicle in the attached photo ?  -- We do not have acess to Australian Registrations so cannot accurately data car. We can however say from the wheel trims, and louvre panel without visible writing at front, this is a British cca 1947 Humber Snipe. Difficult to tell, no body visible, if a Saloon or a Pullman.

1947 Humber Snipe Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Diamond T Truck & Vought F4U Corsair
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New Zealand) was intrigued by this photo which features a truck, and an airplane with folding wings, apparently for sale by the side of the road.  -- The great old days!! The plane is an American Vought F4U Corsair, originally built by Chance Vought, later by Goodyear and Brewster, 1942 to 1953. Designed to be carrier based, was used by NZ Air Force and many others including US and UK. The truck is also American being cca 1936 Diamond T Model 80.

Vought F4U Corsair & Diamond T Truck

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unknown 1958 Motorcycle Powered Car
One of a number of puzzling photo received from Eddie Britain (UK) asking if we can please identify cars either owned by family or friends.   -- This one has registration 321 O1 which is a reversed sequence Belfast registration of cca 1958. Car appears to be a motorcycle engined special perhaps used for racing. Our Chas Moody believes the engine is a Manx Norton from vertical finning above the exhaust port. Probably 500cc. Hand beaten body, road leagal, front engined, four wheel two-seater.

Unknown 1958 Motorcycle Powered Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unknown 1920s Scooter Frame
Another very puzzling photo sent to us by Ravindra Naruka (India) "In the past I got help from you in identification of my Norton flat tank and Hobart. This time I found two frames with some engine parts there and major parts are missing.  --  Photos are  very difficult with such meager details to go on. There were a great number of scooter type machines brought out in the 1920 period. Could be something produced by a tiny firm, and not necessarily in the U.K.  Any ID help would be appreciated.

Unknown 1920s Scooter Frame

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unknown 1920s Motorcycle Frame
Another very puzzling photo sent to us by Ravindra Naruka (India) "In the past I got help from you in identification of my Norton flat tank and Hobart. This time I found two frames with some engine parts there and major parts are missing.  --  Photos are very difficult with such meager details to see. There was a great number of motorcycle manufacturers in the 1920 period. Our experts did not recognise frame and suggest it could be a 'continental' product.  Any ID help would be appreciated.

Unknown 1920s Motorcycle Frame
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