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The SVVS Website currently
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hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage photo or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed, cars are in year
order:
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below relates to enquiries received during
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1900
Renault Model C Pickup
While researching the 1911 Rochet
Scneider lower down we came across an early 1901 cycling race support
vehicle on a website, where car had not been identified. – A
number of manufacturers used side mounted radiators but this seemed to
have an offset starting handle slot, which suggests it has a single
cylinder De Dion Bouton engine under the bonnet. Monsieur Oury is
driving a Monsieur Garin in a cca
1900 Renault Model C where a pickup
back replaces rear Tonneao body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1910
Briton 14HP Two-Seat Tourer
Interesting photo posted on the AACA Forum by Alsance with no info and commented
on by Mark Dawber as Lincoln 1910.--
BE 785 is Lindsey County Council of around 1910.
Made in Wolverhampton by the Star company subsidiary called Briton
Motor Co, making cars badged as Britons, and also took over making
Starling and Stuart. The first two Britons were a 2282 cc 12 hp twin
and a 2413 cc 14 hp four. The car in the picture appears to a 4
cylinder c1910
Briton 14HP Two-Seat Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911
Rochet Schneider Tourer
Another puzzling photo received
from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting asking for identification. Photo
marked Spain 1925. – The
19th Tour De France followed full outer borders of whole France.
This is the Pyrenees on the Spanish border and apparently features
Nicolas Frantz, Jules Buysse and August Verdyck at the l'Aubisque pass.
Known photo but the unknown car: from the shape of scuttle is a
cca 1911 Rochet Schneider Torpedo,
probably the 12 CV. Faint RS logo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1912
Arrol-Johnson Tourer
Another photo received from our regular contributor Alun
Pugh from Leeds (UK) asking if we can
identify car? -- Reg seems to be Burnley CBC
early 1913, so built probably 1912. Built by a tram/locomotive engineer
Johnson who joined a Forth Bridge engineer Arrol in 1895 making a
Dog-Cart in Camlachie, Glasgow, believed first ever car in Scotland.
Scuttle bonnet hinged top of rad says cca
1912 Arrol-Johnson Tourer, probably
15'9 or 11.9. Became Arrol-Aster in 1927. Closed1932.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
c1912 Zedel 12 HP Tourer
Lovely photo received from Joanna Moore (UK)
of
great-grandfather in 1913. The baby was her Grandmother, not
shown but brother & sister are. Joanna visited
Brooklands in a Napier tourer similar to this car? --
Not English
but French. Photo unclear but looks round rad top slightly elevated,
straight sides to the bonnet, with a draw handle grip. Two of our experts believe this is
c1912 Zedel 12HP Tourer from company
originally the first Swiss motorcycle engine maker, - which later French.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1914
Wanderer Pupchen W3 Tourer
Another puzzling photo received
from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting asking for ID. –-
Our Moscow military uniforms expert thinks
the uniforms are German WW1 "Marinekorps Flandern", Marine
Infantry servicemen who used 'M' numbers (see below). Car on left has
widow's peak radiator header tank and is wide enough for only a single
person which suggest a cca
1914 Wanderer Pupchen W3 Tourer Tandem
seating/doors 1286cc made in Chemnitz.
Merged with Auto Union 1932.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1915
Opel 8'25 Dopple Phaeton
Another puzzling photo received
from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting asking for ID. –
"Marinekorps Flandern" were
the Naval Corps of Imperial German Kriegsmarine 1914-18 operating in
coastal area of Flanders: canals, bridges, locks and ports
(Belgium/Holland). Car at at back in middle has most of the
identifiable bits hidden but we think from the thin edged veed
radiatior and distinctive drooping sides windscreen is probably a cca
1915 Opel 8'25 Dopple Phaeton Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1916
Campion 770cc V Twin
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum posting asking for comments. --The
bike is
cca 1916 Campion 770cc V Twin from
Nottingham, England, but not number, and no sidecar. It would
have been very unstable and dangerous to drive in any crosswinds and
drag. Gas bag was made from balloon fabric, with a metal conical front
and frame, to prevent compression. Suggested suitable for the Ambulance
service. Not clear if more than one was built
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1916 Neville 'More
Room' Steering
While searching the internet during identifications we often
come across One such is the cca1916 Fat Man adjustable steering wheel --
This slide-up wheel was invented by A.G.
Neville, of West Virginia to assist in ingress and egress from vehicles
such as the Model T Ford with high non-adjustable seats. Other similar
devices had wheel tilted either up or down, and/or hinged out of the
way. Later developments had the whole steering column swing away
outwards when door was opened.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1916 Audi 18’45 Tourer
Another puzzling photo received
from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting asking for identification. Photo
marked Cars in NZ WW1? – The
numberplates according to our German contributor seem not to be early
German, (see below). The car on right has oval badge proud off a veed
header tank, small flat radiator, high gas lights on double stalks with
a high headlamp link bar, adds up to a cca
1916 Audi 18’45 Tourer. Audi was
formed 1910, became Auto Union in 1932.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1917
Mathis 9'22 Tourer perhaps
Pär Sörliden (Sweden) believes the
car mentioned on Help
Page 92 as a 1914 De Dion
Bouton is actually a Mathis. Swedish Air Force in Linköping had
registered two Mathis 9'22 HP cars in 1916-17. -- This
photo of a E296 and was a similar Mathis registered July
1917. Some of our experts are puzzled by this car and wander if it had
perhaps been bodied by a Swedish company. I remain confused by
the thought of the car on HP 92 being a Mathis so would welcome any
helpful comments.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Probably
1921 Standard SLO Tourer
Can we identify fuzzy photo from Robert Knowles (UK)
of car parked at Mex garage in Birkenhead ? -- MEX
petrol came from British capitalised wells and refineries in Mexico,
supplied from cca 1909 in UK and Europe by Bowring Petroleum of London.
Petrol initially in 2 gallon cans. Taken over in 1921 by Shell-Mex.
Difficult to be absolutely positive about car but from rounded radiator
and flat front to mudguards we would say this is a British cca
1921 Standard SLO Tourer, possibly the
two seater.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923
Morris Cowley Bullnose Tourer
Another lovely photo received
from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting asking for identification. Bullnose
but why headlamps on wings? --
Identification
features is the ’three light set’ (two headlamps and the rear
lamp), with the with small headlamps being mounted on the wings. As
this configuration was manufactured for only two years, (1922/23), this
is a cca
1923
Morris Cowley Bullnose Tourer. 'Bullnose’ from rounded nose like ‘bullet’,
or stonemason rounded like bull's nose.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1923
Rover 8 Fixed-Head Coupe
Interesting purchased photo by Martin Woodrow (UK)
marked "Dad's motor car. Beryl and a friend. June
1930". Suggested as Morris Cowley but those have a longer 'boot'.--
Repaired photo. Not Morris but series 2 cca
1923 Rover 8 Fixed-Head Coupe having a
two cylinder horisontally opposed 1134cc air cooled engine, made in
Solihull in Warwickshire by company who started making bicycles in
1885, motorcycles 1902, cars 1903. Cylinder heads in air cooling scoops
on bonnet sides not visible.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1926
Mabeco 746cc V Twin
Another puzzling photo received
from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
an AACA forum posting asking for identification. -- Unusual
German motorcycle from a Berlin Manufacturer operating 1922-28
initially as Max Bernhardt & co with a 598cc and later as Mabeco
Werke. Bikes were look-alikes for Indian and they sued when bikes
became red. This is later cca
1926 Mabeco 746cc V Twin Sports. They
were also building racicing motorcyclkes with great sucess. Later
licenced Garelli Twingle.
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DENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1932
Sunbeam Model 9A 600cc
Our SVVS Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK)
received this photo of a motorcycle and wondered what it was --
Chas moody advises Sunbeam started making bicycles
in 1871, motorcycles in 1912. First was a 350cc, range of 500cc singles
and V-twins. New model numbering introduced 1924 ; Models 1 through 11.
This is acca
1932 Sunbeam Model 9a 600cc. Became
Associated Motor Cycles in 1937; then, BSA 1943-56 with S big tyre
range, scooters 1959-64, and BritisIh Seagull noutboards in 1931.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
c1932 SS1 Fixed Head Coupe
Puzzling photo received from David Lawson (UK)
tearing his hair out trying to
identify this car in Sutherland before WW2. Father raced a Delage at
Brooklands late 30s. Is this the Delage? –
Not French but English. Our Tony
Oakes advises equally famous racing pedigree, but not until later. This
is cca
1932 SS1 Fixed Head Coupe by Swallow,
£310. Later Jaguar. Had a 15HP 6 cylinder
engine 2054cc made by Standard who also supplied the underslung
chassis. More show than go!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1936
Tomaselli JAP 500cc Motorcycle
Another lovely photo received
from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting asking for identification. Name
on the tank is almost readable but... --
Quite a bit of digging advises that this
machine is Italian made in Turin between 1929 and 1939 by Tomaselli
Motorcycles. They bought-in various engines including Calthorpe,
Sturmey-Archer and Villiers and made various physical sizes of bikes.
More digging says that the particular machine is a cca 1936 Tomaselli
JAP 500 cc OHC.
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DENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1939
Triumph 350 3SE Motorcycle
Puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) questioning London 1968
registration as advised on another website?
-- Our Tony Oakes advised PMP
registrations date from 1939 and used by the War Department. Further
research by our Chas Moody advises these were issued to WReNS Women
Motorcycle Dispatch Riders, re-formed in 1939 by Admiralty and Royal
Navy from women with motorcycle experience. Chas advises this is a
c1939 Triumph 3SE 350cc Motorcycle.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1946 Ford Super De Luxe Sedan
Interesting photo from Ian Elliott (Eire)
current owner and
renovator of Corravahan House, Ballyhaise, Co. Cavan on the border with
Northern Ireland. Car by Fannin's Shop looks like a 1950s Vauxhall
Wyvern? -- The House
is 1841 previous Rectory and car is American. Reg 'ID' is Cavan but no
dating records; white background suggests plate renewed after 1969.
Revamped 1942 model in 46 with new grille and sidelights on bonnet are
distinctive of
1946 Ford Super De Luxe, made one year.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1947 Bentley Mk VI Drophead Coupe
Another puzzling photo received from David Lawson (UK)
of another of father's cars. Looks like a Bentley pictured about 1962
and the car had an unusual dickey seat. --
Our Rolls-Bentley expert Tom Clarke
advises this is a great find, a cca
1947 Bentley Mk VI Drophead Coupe by Simpson & Slater. Very rare
coachbuilder by then. It was last known in 2003 in Japan. Simpson &
Slater of Nottingham were best know for bodying/rebodying Hearses using
Rolls' own bonnets scuttle and wings.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
c1953 Ford Consul Mk1 Saloon
Interesting photo from Ian Elliott (Eire) current
owner and renovator of Corravahan House, Co. Cavan on the border with
Northern Ireland. Can we confirm identification of this as a
1951-56 Ford Consul? -- Relatively
difficult to distinguish the Consul and the Zephyr from the side as
only difference is 4" on length of front wing. Nevertheless, from
the chrome strip and shortness of the wing we are relatively sure this
is a cca
1953 Ford Consul Mk1 Saloon, 228,000
of which were made between 1951'6.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1960s Bulgarian Numberplate
Another puzzling photo received
from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
an AACA forum posting asking for identification. Is
it British? -- British
plates were never oval. Americans
used enameled plates. Has a single star; top left; Texas? - However
more research advises 1960s
Bulgarian. BP is Vratsa Province by
Danube on northern border with Romania. Bulgaria uses the Cyrillic
alphabet, B is the letter V of Vratsa, and P is the letter R,
Vratsa Province; Oblast Vraca, former name Vraca Okrug.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1966 Ford Zephyr Mk3 Saloon
Interesting photo from Ian Elliott (Eire) current
owner and renovator of Corravahan House, Co. Cavan on the border with
Northern Ireland. Car by Fannin Shop looks like a Ford Zephyr Mk
3?
Sisters Leslie had two drivers, Harry and Henry in the 1960s. --
The registration is " EID 688",
so it is the local council of Cavan. Indeed, a late Mk 3 car which seems to have
Mk2 overriders on both pictures. Coincidence, or suggesting it may well
be same car. White front indicator lens. Lovely thatched
shop.
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