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Page 52 below relates to enquiries received during 2012Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 De Dion Bouton 6HP
Couple of lovely photos received from Susan Thompson (UK) saying her great-grandfather was the landlord of The Cedar Tree pub in Putney and  owned a Daimler in 1906. Around the same sort of time owned a De Dion and an 8 h.p. Darracq. Are these any of them?  --Yes, two out of the three. The registration on the back of the car reads A 123# which is a London CC issue of 1904. From the rear axle and bonnet the car is a French  cca 1904 De Dion Bouton 6HP, and carries a  'Surrey'  style roof.

1904 De Dion Bouton 6HP

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905 De Dion Bouton RE Tonneau
Another photo received from Joao Ferreira (Portugal) of a "mystery car" taken in the beginning of the 19th century, during a mundane event, that occurred in the hippodrome of Belem near Lisbon. Can we help with the name of the maker ? May be a De Dion Bouton?  -- Sure is. My thoughts were cca 1903/4 but our John Warburton thinks a bit later as the starting handle was higher in the radiator matrix. Probably a cca 1905 De Dion Bouton Rear Entrance Tonneau, with twin cylinder engine.

1905 De Dion Bouton Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Gladiator Two-seater & Dickey
Another batch of photos received from John Dunn (UK) asking for help in identifying the car. Photo was a postcard produced by his uncle Charlie Pinchbeck who was a well known Hull event photographer.  The four military gents out for a spin the country.-- I love the 'War Horse' in the background. Registration letters are obscured but the car looks much like a French cca 1907 Gladiator Two-seater & Dickey.  Gladiators were made by  Clement and were also marketed as Clement-Gladiators.

1907 Gladiator Two-seater & Dickey

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Brasier Sport Tourer
Another batch of photos received from John Dunn (UK) asking for help in identifying the car. Photo was a postcard produced by his uncle Charlie Pinchbeck who was a well known Hull event photographer.  -- Although we were not asked to identify the other cars which are quite difficult to see, we agree that the third car in, arrowed, is a French cca 1907 Brasier Sport. The second car could be a an Enfield or Darracq, and furthest car could be  British,  but thoughts are it is a  French  Gregoire.

1907 Brasier Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Lion Peugeot Voiturette
Photo received from Joao Ferreira (Portugal) on which the legend said it was taken in 1908 near Peniche, a fishermen village 80 km north of Lisbon, during a popular festivity. He would be very pleased if you can identify the car.  -- Relatively unusual French car built by the sons of the Peugeot cousin who had agreed not to make cars but continue with the Peugeot business of bicycles and coffee/pepper grinders. Squareish radiator and curved dumbirons say a  cca 1907 Lion Peugeot Voiturette.

1907 Lion Peugeot Voiturette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908 Georges Roy Double Phaeton
Couple of good quality photos received from Dick Hammond, Sussex, (UK) asking if we could help help him identify the cars in these old family photos from Biggleswade in Bedfordshire involving his Great Uncle George, possibly taken cca 1913. (Great website and very interesting Society. -Thanks!!) -- This one is a provincial French make made in small numbers so interesting as to how it made its way to Biggleswade;  a Bordeaux made cca 1908 Georges Roy Double Phaeton.

1908 Georges Roy Double Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Darracq 8HP Landaulette
Couple of lovely photos received from Susan Thompson (UK) saying her great-grandfather was the landlord of The Cedar Tree pub in Putney and  owned a Daimler in 1906. Around the same sort of time owned a De Dion and an 8 h.p. Darracq. Are these any of them?  --Yes, two out of the three. The registration on the front D 4611was issued by Kent CC in 1909. The car is a French cca 1909 Darracq Landaulette designed for a chauffeur. If it was an 8HP as stated, it is quite big body to pull along!

1909 Darracq 8'10 HP Landaulette

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Riley 12'18 Tourer
Another batch of photos received from John Dunn (UK) asking for help in identifying the car. Photo was a postcard produced by his uncle Charlie Pinchbeck who was a well known Hull event photographer.  What is front car?-- Reg AT368 is Kingston-upon-Hull CBC but no dating data available. British car with a circular radiator. Research established that the photo in Beaulieu Encyclopedia for a circular rad Enfield is wrong, as its a Riley, as indeed is the car on the photo cca 1909 Riley 12'18 Tourer.

cca 1909 Riley 12'18 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Brush Runabout
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a Canadian drama television series 2008 "Murdoch Mysteries" where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Set in the 1890s Toronto where police Detective William Murdoch did a bit of a 'Sherlock Holmesing'. Stories were sometimes based on fact, or on real people.  -- One rather elementary fact escaped the producers which was that the shown Brush Runabout, with a wooden front axle and coil springs,   was not made until cca 1911.

1911 Brush Gentleman's Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Pipe Tourer
Photo published in the SVVS Magazine (UK) asking if anybody could identify the car in this picture.  -- Italy or an Italian Restaurant. Popular radiator style of the period. At first glance appears to be from the Clement / Bayard / Talbot family with the humpy rad but with no ridge to the bonnet. Gas lamps so pre WW1. Talbot dumbirons seem to be 'straighter' and many fewer wheels nuts. Our John Warburton believes it to be a Belgian cca 1911/12 Pipe Tourer,  which has more going for it.

1912 Pipe_Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Arrol-Johnston 15.9 Two-Seater
From a batch of photos received from Philip Degen (UK) who has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are trying to trace who they were. -- There are some registrations on some photos but only the DVLA currently has official records, if any, of the original owners. Registration F is Essex CC, but no numbers visible. The car is a Scottish cca  1913  Arrol - Johnston  15.9  Two-seater and  Dickey,  or  Roadster.

1913 Arrol-Johnston 15.9 Two-seater & Dickey

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 GWK Cyclecar
Fascinating photo submitted to the AACA Forum by regular contributor Leif Holmberg (Sweden) showing a 'Children's Day' in his home village of Storvik. Thoughts that the car may be a 'Commonwell'. -- No trace of similar name but 'Commonwealth' name was used twice in USA, neither being contenders. Initial thought, from Teutonic bonnet, it may be German Adler Kleinwagen but pointed out by a couple of Antipodeans that it is a British cca 1913 GWK Cyclecar. Seems to have unusual body.

1913 GWK Cyclecar

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Alldays & Onions 12'14 Tourer
Couple of good quality photos received from Dick Hammond, Sussex, (UK) asking if we could help help him identify the cars in these old family photos from Biggleswade in Bedfordshire involving his Great Uncle George, possibly taken cca 1913. (Great website and very interesting Society. -Thanks!!) --Yes, Rolls type rad with Germanic tilt to the bonnet, Riley wheels, British type air vent  and handle to bonnet, gas lamp. An unusual 1914 Alldays & Onions 12'14 Tourer costing £350.

1914 Alldays & Onions 12'14 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Belsize 10'12 Roadster
From a batch of photos received from Philip Degen (UK) who has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are trying to trace who they were. -- No registration to help but the car is a cca 1914 Belsize 10'12 Two-seater Roadster with Dickey, with Riley 'O' type detachable wire wheels extra at £10 on this smallest model, as were the headlights;  but 'complete with electric  side/ tail lights/ accumulators'.

1914 Belsize 10'12 Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Rover 12HP Tourer
Lovely period photo received from Allen Forlong (New Zealand) asking for help in identifying the car bought new by his grandfather in NZ about 1914/15 who owned a farm at Bunithorpe. This the only photo they have and understand that it was the first car in Palmerston North NZ. They think it is a Rover but are not sure if it is a 12 hp.  -- Rover under Owen Clegg introduced the 12HP in 1912 and had a one-model policy for a few years.  This appears to have gas lights,  so is likely 1914 or earlier.

1914 Rover 12HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca1922 Norton 500cc Combination
Another batch of photos received from John Dunn (UK) asking for help in identifying the vehicle. Photo was a postcard produced by his uncle Charlie Pinchbeck who was a well known Hull event photographer.  Could be Oliver's Mount, Scarborough. -- Regret not much help in identifying location as this is outside our area but our vintage motorcycle expert Robin Vince is quite sure this is a cca 1922 Norton 500 cc Combination. Not sure on the maker of the sidecar, as it could well be home made.

cca1922 Norton 500cc Combination

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1922 Cubitt 16'20 Tourer
Couple of lovely photos received from Philip Somervail (UK) browsing through 'our impressive site' (Thanks!) from an album belonging to great uncle Edgar Wicks. Car looks a bit like a Bean, but could be wrong. London registration of late 1922. -- Correct on the date of registration but wrong on the car. Spotted from his cigarette cards(!!!) by our Tony Oakes as a cca 1922 Cubitt 16'20 Tourer made in Aylesbury by branch of a  civil  engineering firm.  Bodies came  from  nearby  Iris car  company.

1922 Cubitt 16'20 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 Wolseley Stellite 10 Two-seater
From a batch of photos received from Philip Degen (UK) who has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are trying to trace who they were. -- The registration MF 32# was issued by Middlesex County Council in mid/late 1923. The car from its headlamps on the wings is a cca 1923 Wolseley 10HP Stellite Two-seater and Dickey.  Similar  style  of  bodywork  was  used  on  the earlier  and  smaller 7HP .

1923 Wolseley Stellite 10 Two-seater & Dickey

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Stoewer D9 Coupe Chauffeur
Another photo received from our regular contributor Raoul Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from a batch of photos he purchased recently on line. Do we have any idea what this car is? -- Quite a difficult one because this style of spitzkuhler was very common in Tutonic regions in the 1920s. Also very common were the smaller sidelamps below the headlamps. However the badge location and size show it is clearly a cca 1924 Stoewer D9.  The body  is a  "weather-proofed"  Coupe  Chauffeur.

1924 Stoewer D9 Coupe Chauffeur

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Talbot DC10 Phaeton
From a batch of photos received from Philip Degen (UK) who has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are trying to trace who they were. -- The registration XW 2310 was issued by London County Council in late 1924. From the rounded radiator the car appears to be the French Suresnes built cca 1924 Talbot DC10 Torpedo Phaeton. British built cars by Clement Talbot Ltd were generally  Talbot Darracqs.

1924 Talbot DC Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Star 12'25 Tourer
From a batch of photos received from Philip Degen (UK) who has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are trying to trace who they were. -- Registration TD is Lancaster County Council late 1924 to early 1927. We thought, and advised, that this was a 1926 Alvis 12'50 but our Star expert John Warburton sent us a factory photo of a 1924  Star 12'25  4-Seat  Tourer  with which it was not possible to argue.

1925 Star 12'25 Four Seat Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Morris Oxford Two-seater
From a batch of photos received from Philip Degen (UK) who has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife has inherited an album, seems not family. -- Very blurry photo which we have had to enhance to make viewable. No registration to help dating but our Chas Moody advises Barker bar dipper lights at a crazy angle, larger radiator, wider body, sloping section mudguards, 'fat' tyres well based, petrol can with  Shell  logo,  all  say  cca 1926 Morris  Oxford  Two-seater  Bullnose. 

1926 Morris Oxford Bullnose Two-seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 Chenard et Walcker Y6
Photo received from Alan Milbank, IOW, (UK) asking if we could try help to identify the car in this picture.  -- Can advise that this is a French cca 1929 Chenard et Walcker Y6. Formed in 1900 moved to a new factory in Grennevilliers in 1908, won the first ever Le Mans 24 Hour Race in 1923 in a 3l car, went into partnership with Delahaye 1927, hit trouble got taken over by coachbuilders Chausson in 1936 and the last vehicle to carry the Chenard name, CPV van, was made by Peugeot in 1950 as D3.

192 Chenard et Walcker Y6

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca1947 Standard 8 Tourer
Photo received from Joao Ferreira (Portugal) taken during the Macao Grand-Prix of 1954, the car with the Nº 30 is a Standard but has strange doors, is it a factory model for hotter climates or a modification for the course?  -- Bit of research revealed that the '54 Macau GP was a privately organised street run which had been intended as a 'Treasure Hunt' by local motorists. It grew from that! The car on the photo is a cca 1946 Standard 8 Open Tourer, but with a with special roof made locally? 

cca1947 Standard 8 Tourer with special roof

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unidentified Lorry Chassis
Photo received from Bill Stothard (UK) of the Cudworth History Group who have sent us earlier photos for identification. The triangular foot pedals and the 'motif' cast into the back axle may be a significant clue. Perhaps an Albion but doubtful. -- Tend to agree not an Albion. Thoughts perhaps the " I " is International Harvester but they had scuttle bonnet with rear rad, but photo is pointed bonnet and forward radiator.  Came across a logo for a Winther Truck which is quite similar?

Unidentified Lorry Chassis
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