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The SVVS Website currently receives
approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided. While page is
being built, enquiries are in received order, - when completed,
cars are in year order:
Page 52 below relates to enquiries received
during
2012 Click
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1904
De Dion Bouton 6HP
Couple of lovely photos received from
Susan Thompson (UK)
saying her great-grandfather was the landlord of The Cedar Tree
pub in Putney and owned a Daimler in 1906. Around the same sort
of time owned a De Dion and an 8 h.p. Darracq. Are these any of
them? --Yes,
two out of the three. The registration on the back of the car reads A
123# which is a London CC issue of 1904. From the rear axle and bonnet
the car is a French cca 1904 De Dion Bouton 6HP, and carries
a 'Surrey' style roof.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1905
De Dion Bouton RE Tonneau
Another photo received from Joao Ferreira
(Portugal)
of a "mystery car" taken in the beginning of the 19th
century, during a mundane event, that occurred in the hippodrome of
Belem near Lisbon. Can we help with the name of the maker ? May be a De
Dion Bouton? -- Sure
is. My thoughts were cca 1903/4 but our John Warburton thinks a bit
later as the starting handle was higher in the radiator matrix.
Probably a cca
1905 De Dion Bouton Rear Entrance Tonneau,
with twin cylinder engine.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1907 Gladiator Two-seater & Dickey
Another batch of photos received from John Dunn (UK)
asking for help in identifying the car.
Photo was a postcard produced by his uncle Charlie Pinchbeck who was a well
known Hull event photographer. The four military gents out for a
spin the country.--
I love the 'War Horse' in the background. Registration letters are obscured
but the car looks much like a French cca 1907 Gladiator
Two-seater & Dickey. Gladiators were
made by Clement and were also marketed as Clement-Gladiators.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1907
Brasier Sport Tourer
Another batch of photos received from John Dunn (UK)
asking for help in identifying the car.
Photo was a postcard produced by his uncle Charlie Pinchbeck who was a well
known Hull event photographer. --
Although we were not asked to identify the
other cars which are quite difficult to see, we agree that the third
car in, arrowed, is a French cca 1907 Brasier Sport. The second car
could be a an Enfield or Darracq, and furthest car could be British,
but thoughts are it is a French Gregoire.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1907
Lion Peugeot Voiturette
Photo received from Joao Ferreira
(Portugal)
on which the legend said it was taken in 1908 near Peniche, a
fishermen village 80 km north of Lisbon, during a popular festivity. He
would be very pleased if you can identify the car.
-- Relatively
unusual French car built by the sons of the Peugeot cousin who had
agreed not to make cars but continue with the Peugeot business of bicycles
and coffee/pepper grinders. Squareish radiator and curved dumbirons say
a cca
1907 Lion Peugeot Voiturette.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1908
Georges Roy Double Phaeton
Couple of good quality photos received from
Dick Hammond, Sussex, (UK)
asking if we could help help him identify the cars in these old
family photos from Biggleswade in Bedfordshire involving his Great
Uncle George, possibly taken cca 1913. (Great website and very
interesting Society. -Thanks!!)
-- This
one is a provincial French make made in small numbers so interesting as
to how it made its way to Biggleswade; a Bordeaux made cca 1908
Georges Roy Double Phaeton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1909
Darracq 8HP Landaulette
Couple of lovely photos received from
Susan Thompson (UK)
saying her great-grandfather was the landlord of The Cedar Tree
pub in Putney and owned a Daimler in 1906. Around the same sort
of time owned a De Dion and an 8 h.p. Darracq. Are these any of
them? --Yes,
two out of the three. The registration on the front D 4611was issued by
Kent CC in 1909. The car is a French cca 1909 Darracq Landaulette
designed for a chauffeur. If it was an 8HP as stated, it is quite big
body to pull along!
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1909
Riley 12'18 Tourer
Another batch of photos received from John Dunn (UK)
asking for help in identifying the car.
Photo was a postcard produced by his uncle Charlie Pinchbeck who was a well
known Hull event photographer. What is front car?--
Reg AT368 is Kingston-upon-Hull CBC but no
dating data available. British car with a circular radiator. Research
established that the photo in Beaulieu Encyclopedia for a circular rad
Enfield is wrong, as its a Riley, as indeed is the car on the photo cca
1909 Riley 12'18 Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911
Brush Runabout
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in a Canadian drama television series 2008 "Murdoch
Mysteries" where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Set
in the 1890s Toronto where police Detective William Murdoch did a bit of
a 'Sherlock Holmesing'. Stories were sometimes based on fact, or on real
people. --
One rather elementary fact escaped the producers which was that the
shown Brush
Runabout,
with a wooden front axle and coil springs, was not made
until cca 1911.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1912
Pipe Tourer
Photo published in the SVVS Magazine (UK)
asking if anybody could identify the car in this picture.
-- Italy
or an Italian Restaurant. Popular radiator style of the period. At
first glance appears to be from the Clement / Bayard / Talbot family
with the humpy rad but with no ridge to the bonnet. Gas lamps so pre
WW1. Talbot dumbirons seem to be 'straighter' and many fewer wheels
nuts. Our John Warburton believes it to be a Belgian cca
1911/12 Pipe Tourer, which has
more going for it.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1913
Arrol-Johnston 15.9 Two-Seater
From a batch of photos received from
Philip Degen (UK) who
has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife
has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are
trying to trace who they were. --
There are some registrations on some photos but only the DVLA currently
has official records, if any, of the original owners. Registration F is
Essex CC, but no numbers visible. The car is a Scottish
cca 1913 Arrol - Johnston 15.9 Two-seater
and Dickey, or
Roadster.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1913
GWK Cyclecar
Fascinating photo submitted to the AACA
Forum by regular contributor Leif Holmberg (Sweden)
showing a 'Children's Day' in his home village of Storvik. Thoughts
that the car may be a 'Commonwell'..
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trace of similar name but 'Commonwealth' name was used twice in USA,
neither being contenders. Initial thought, from Teutonic bonnet, it may
be German Adler Kleinwagen but pointed out by a couple of Antipodeans
that it is a British
cca 1913 GWK Cyclecar. Seems to have
unusual body.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1914
Alldays & Onions 12'14 Tourer
Couple of good quality photos received from
Dick Hammond, Sussex, (UK)
asking if we could help help him identify the cars in these old
family photos from Biggleswade in Bedfordshire involving his Great
Uncle George, possibly taken cca 1913. (Great website and very
interesting Society. -Thanks!!)
--Yes, Rolls
type rad with Germanic tilt to the bonnet, Riley wheels, British type
air vent and handle to bonnet, gas lamp. An unusual 1914
Alldays & Onions 12'14 Tourer
costing £350.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1914 Belsize 10'12 Roadster
From a batch of photos received from
Philip Degen (UK) who
has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife
has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are
trying to trace who they were. --
No registration to help but the car is a cca 1914 Belsize 10'12
Two-seater Roadster with Dickey, with Riley 'O' type detachable wire
wheels extra at £10 on this smallest model, as were the
headlights; but 'complete with electric side/ tail lights/
accumulators'.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1914 Rover 12HP Tourer
Lovely period photo received from Allen
Forlong (New Zealand)
asking for help in identifying the car
bought new by his grandfather in NZ about 1914/15 who owned a farm at
Bunithorpe. This the only photo they have and understand that it was
the first car in Palmerston North NZ. They think it is a Rover but are
not sure if it is a 12 hp. --
Rover
under Owen Clegg introduced the 12HP in 1912 and had a one-model policy
for a few years. This appears to have gas lights, so is
likely 1914 or earlier.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1922 Norton 500cc Combination
Another batch of photos received from John Dunn (UK)
asking for help in identifying the
vehicle.
Photo was a postcard produced by his uncle Charlie Pinchbeck who was a well
known Hull event photographer. Could be Oliver's Mount,
Scarborough. --
Regret not much help in identifying location as this is outside our
area but our vintage motorcycle expert Robin Vince is quite sure this
is a cca 1922 Norton 500 cc Combination. Not sure on the maker of the
sidecar, as it could well be home made.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1922
Cubitt 16'20 Tourer
Couple of lovely photos received from
Philip Somervail (UK)
browsing through 'our impressive site' (Thanks!) from an album belonging
to great uncle Edgar Wicks. Car looks a bit like a Bean, but could be
wrong. London registration of late 1922. --
Correct on the date of registration but wrong on the car. Spotted from
his cigarette cards(!!!) by our Tony Oakes as a cca
1922 Cubitt 16'20 Tourer made in
Aylesbury by branch of a civil engineering firm.
Bodies came from nearby Iris car company.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1923 Wolseley Stellite 10 Two-seater
From a batch of photos received from
Philip Degen (UK) who
has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife
has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are
trying to trace who they were. --
The registration MF 32# was issued by Middlesex County Council in
mid/late 1923. The car from its headlamps on the wings is a cca 1923
Wolseley 10HP Stellite Two-seater and Dickey. Similar
style of bodywork was used on the
earlier and smaller 7HP .
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1924
Stoewer D9 Coupe Chauffeur
Another photo received from our regular
contributor Raoul
Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from
a batch of photos he purchased recently on line. Do we have any idea what
this car is? --
Quite a difficult one because this style of spitzkuhler was very common
in Tutonic regions in the 1920s. Also very common were the smaller
sidelamps below the headlamps. However the badge location and size show
it is clearly a cca
1924 Stoewer D9. The body
is a "weather-proofed" Coupe Chauffeur.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1924
Talbot DC10 Phaeton
From a batch of photos received from
Philip Degen (UK) who
has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife
has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are
trying to trace who they were. --
The registration XW 2310 was issued by London County Council in late
1924. From the rounded radiator the car appears to be the French
Suresnes built
cca 1924 Talbot DC10 Torpedo Phaeton. British built cars by Clement
Talbot Ltd were generally Talbot Darracqs.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1925
Star 12'25 Tourer
From a batch of photos received from
Philip Degen (UK) who
has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife
has inherited an album which does not appear to be family and they are
trying to trace who they were. --
Registration TD is Lancaster County Council late 1924 to early 1927. We
thought, and advised, that this was a 1926 Alvis 12'50 but our Star
expert John Warburton sent us a factory photo of a 1924
Star 12'25 4-Seat Tourer
with which it was not possible to argue.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1926
Morris Oxford Two-seater
From a batch of photos received from
Philip Degen (UK) who
has seen a reference to us in the Essex Family Historian. Wife
has inherited an album, seems not family. --
Very blurry photo which we have had to enhance to make viewable. No registration
to help dating but our Chas Moody advises
Barker bar dipper lights at a crazy angle, larger
radiator, wider body, sloping section mudguards, 'fat' tyres well
based, petrol can with Shell logo, all
say cca 1926 Morris Oxford Two-seater
Bullnose.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1929
Chenard et Walcker Y6
Photo received from Alan Milbank, IOW, (UK)
asking if we could try help to identify the car in this
picture. -- Can
advise that this is a French cca 1929 Chenard et Walcker Y6. Formed in
1900 moved to a new factory in Grennevilliers in 1908, won the first
ever Le Mans 24 Hour Race in 1923 in a 3l car, went into partnership
with Delahaye 1927, hit trouble got taken over by coachbuilders
Chausson in 1936 and the last vehicle to carry the Chenard name, CPV
van, was made by Peugeot in 1950 as D3.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1947
Standard 8 Tourer
Photo received from Joao Ferreira
(Portugal)
taken during the Macao Grand-Prix of 1954, the car with the Nº 30 is a
Standard but has strange doors, is it a factory model for hotter
climates or a modification for the course? -- Bit
of research revealed that the '54 Macau GP was a privately organised
street run which had been intended as a 'Treasure Hunt' by local
motorists. It grew from that! The car on the photo is a cca
1946 Standard 8 Open Tourer, but with
a with special roof made locally?
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Unidentified
Lorry Chassis
Photo received from Bill Stothard (UK)
of the Cudworth History Group who have sent us earlier photos
for identification. The triangular foot pedals and the 'motif'
cast into the back axle may be a significant clue. Perhaps an Albion
but doubtful. --
Tend to agree not an Albion. Thoughts perhaps the " I " is
International Harvester but they had
scuttle bonnet with rear rad, but photo is
pointed bonnet and forward radiator. Came across a logo for a
Winther Truck which is quite similar?
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