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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1901
Mobile Victoria Steamer
Very interesting photo received from
Malcolm Fare (UK)
who is writing a history of the parish of Hanley Castle. Photo shows Sir
Edmund Lechmere (1865-1937) of Rhydd Court. --
Stanley Brothers made a steamer in America in 1897 and sold
the rights to Locomobile (US). Soon after owners split up forming
Locomobile and Mobile, almost identical. On
closer study car has Dos-a-Dos coachwork etc and is therefore cca
1901 Mobile Victoria Runabout.
Condenser for UK market.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1901
Locomobile Steamer
Grainy photo repaired supplied by Robert (UK)
who is investigating John Matthews. The picture was taken in
Alton approx 1903 and reproduced in the Hampshire Herald in 1978 and in
Family Tree magazine in 1999. This is a photocopy of a copy! --
We can advise that this is a steamer from the USA and is the other part
of the first Stanley car being a cca 1901 Locomobile Steamer. (See
above). Body is unusual in being steered from the rear
seat, - with passengers facing forward.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903
Lacoste & Battmann
Photo submitted by Ian Carmichael (UK)
showing his grandfather (1871-1956) in a car he owned when young.
On the back it says Arrol-Johnson but Ian remembers him mentioning a De
Dion-Bouton. --Confirmed
by our John Warburton that this is not an Arrol-Johnson, nor is it a De
Dion-Bouton. John's thought is a Lacoste
et Battmann, sold under many names including Regal,
Canterbury, Cupelle, Achilles, Speedwell and at least a dozen
more. Most
did have De Dion engines.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1904
Argyll 10’12HP Tourer
Photocopy of a newspaper picture sent in by
Alan Milbank (UK)
who found it published in an Isle of Wight publication trying to
identify the vehicle. --
The photois very low resolution with little detail showing but we are
nevertheless relatively sure it is a cca 1904 Argyll 10'12HP Tourer.
Argyll began manufacture in 1899 in Bridgeton, Glasgow, 1899 and became
the biggest car manufacturer in Scotland. After a move to new factory
in Alexandria went bust 1907. Reformed went on to 1932.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1913
Darracq 12HP Tourer
Nice period photo received from David Fayle,
Ontario (Canada) showing
his grandfather's car outside his house in Birr, County Offaly, Eire.
Photo is undated, no numberplate showing, and possibly 1912-14. --
Not older than 1914 because the radiator has a flat angle
profile rather than curved. Our John Warburton knows the 16 and says the
one in photo is smaller. Lights are oil but electrics were available and
probably standard by about 1914. We think French ca 1913 Darracq 12HP
Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1920s
Marshall Road Roller
Lovely photo received from Ronnie
Gamble (UK) trying to
identify the car of a contractor from Coleraine County Londonderry, NI.
Identifying the car would help date the photo for a book he is writing.
-- LE
6420 was issued by London CC early 1912. Regret not possible to ident
early cars by bodywork as made by other coachbuilders. While 'steamers'
are not our specialty, we are relatively sure that the Roller
in the photo is a Marshall. No reg. no. but rear wheel
suggest period 1915-20, or earlier.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1920
Metallurgique Tourer
Another dramatic cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared
in a 1936 British science fiction film "Things to come"
produced by Alexander Korda. The screenplay was written by H. G. Wells
and is a loose adaptation of his own 1933 novel "The Shape of
Things to Come"; interestingly involving, in a future 1970, of
building a civilization, based in Basra, Iraq, that has renounced war
and outlawed independent nation-states! Got that one bit wrong? --
Car is cca
1920 Metallurgique.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1921
Austro Daimler 6'17 Tourer
Four unusual photos received from Bernard
de Grand Ry (Belgium) showing
cars which had belonged to his great father. Could we advise on name and
type ? --
As
bodies are very similar they may have been made by the same
coachbuilder. However we have received no feedback from Bernard. The
first two photos show a cca
1922 Austro Daimler AD6/17 Tourer. Info has been confirmed by
Austro Daimler's Gerhard Weinzettl, and John Warburton who suggests
French Med look.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1921
Ford Model T Special
Glorious photo received from Juha Kaitanen
Turku (Finland) found
in a local classic car magazine called "Klassikko".
They were asking after the make of the car and he thought it was perhaps
a Steyr. --
While Steyr did have 'spitzkuhler' radiators, they did not
have the overhang. This is yet another wonderfull example of what can be
done with a cca
1921 Ford Model T. This is a smart 'tulip' bodied tourer much
favoured in Teutonic areas, and which was probably custom made locally
in Finland.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1922
Bugatti Brescia Tourer
Four unusual photos received from Bernard
de Grand Ry (Belgium) showing
cars which had belonged to his great father. Could we advise on name and
type ? --
As
bodies are very similar they may have been made by the same
coachbuilder. However we have received no feedback from Bernard. John
Warburton thought a type 30 but John Staveley of Bugantics indicated
that detail evidence suggests it a cca
1922 Bugatti Brescia long chassis 16 valve 4-cylinder
probably Type 23.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING: 1922 Cunningham DePalma Speedster
A little grainy photo submitted by Jesse
Sleepeer from Boston (USA) saying
it was a car that no one could identify.
-- Our friends at the AACA
have helped to identify this as a cca
1922 Cunningham DePalma Speedster. Cunningham,
1838 to 1936, were a luxury car maker in Rochester NY. In 1919
famous racing driver Ralph De Palma made a record-breaking run in a
Cunningham stock car at speeds over ninety-eight miles an hour, giving name to
speedster. For rich clientele!
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IS IT STILL IN USE:cca
1926 Citroen B2 Tourer
Photo submitted by Edward Lawrence (UK)
showing Grandfather's Citroen
Tourer which he owned circa 1928 -1930. Edward wondered if
the car exists today and whether our club has any records relating to
it. -- Registration TW738 was
issued by Essex County Council between 9'25 and 6'27. Probably made in
Slough. It is not on the Vintage Citroen Register. Quick check with the
DVLA records show that they too do not have it in their records.
It is therefore likely it may not have survived.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1926 Model T Ford Tourer
Period photo submitted to Rootschat by
Eileen (UK) showing.Uncle
Eddie and Aunt Nora. It was taken in 1925 somewhere around Westport in
Ireland.
-- The registration TI 1590 was issued by Limerick
County Borough Council but unfortunately date-relative data has been
lost. Our US friends suggest headlight bar makes it at least April 1926
production, so the car in the picture is a 1926
Ford Model T Tourer. Right-hand drive, so car was probably
manufactured in UK, Manchester.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1926
Ford Model T Special
Earlier pictures now received from Jayne
Shrimpton (UK) of
the Practical Family History magazine for our reconsideration after no
luck earlier. -- Looking
at this again suggests this is a cca
1926 Ford Model T Special. I
noticed the dished steering wheel, also seems to have transverse
springing and long extended hubs. Rounded bonnet so post 1919 and pre
1927. Many Ts had non standard bodywork to make them stand out.
Disc wheels. Similar special was
featured on Help
Page 7.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1927
Lancia Charabanc
Earlier pictures now received from Jayne
Shrimpton (UK) of
the Practical Family History magazine for our reconsideration after no
luck earlier. -- Radiator
with crisp edges part hidden suggested Lancia. Signwriting says Great
Southern Railways, railways of Eire. Formed by amalgamation in 1924 and
also had a bus division in 1926. Investigation of all vehicles purchased
in 1927 started with seven Lancias, with undefined bodies. This is
therefore likely a cca
1927 Lancia Charabanc.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1927
Citroen B14 Landaulette Taxi
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared
in a 1936 American science fiction film "The Devil-Doll"
starring Lionel Barrymore. An escaped Devil's Island convict uses
miniaturized humans to wreak vengeance on those that framed him. --
This is a cca 1927 Citroen B14 Landaulette
Taxi. The B14 Taxi was made
between 1926 and 1928 and replaced the B2. The B14 range of cars was
actually to be called B13 but Andre
Citroen changed this at the last moment.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1927
Fiat 509 Spyder
One of three photographs received
from Patrícia Carvalho or Paula Roque, we know not which, nor
what country she/they were writing from. We have tried emailing to find
out more but have received no replies. It is always a shame when our
work gets no feedback. All we know is that the cars belonged to her
Grandfather and that they were photographed in Mozambique in Africa
during the 1920s, fascinating in its own right. We can advise that this
car is a cca
1927 Fiat 509 Spyder.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1928
Erskine 6 Sedan
One of three photographs received
from Patrícia Carvalho or Paula Roque, we know not which, nor
what country she/they were writing from. We have tried emailing to find
out more but have received no replies. It is always a shame when our
work gets no feedback. All we know is that the cars belonged to her
Grandfather and that they were photographed in Mozambique in Africa
during the 1920s, fascinating in its own right. We can advise that this
car is a cca
1928 Erskine 6 Sedan.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1929
Singer Porlock Two Seater
Photo submitted by Alison Hall (UK)
trying to find out make of her grandfather's car taken in around
1937. -- Our
Singer expert Simon Bishop and his colleagues confirmed this was a
Singer but advised it was a cca
1929 Singer Porlock following the 100 ascents of Porlock on 28th Dec 1928, after which it
was named; looks remarkably similar and could be the Deeley-s posing in
their Junior before it was called a Porlock. Allision's
positive dating of photo cca 1937± does dispel the possibility.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1934
Plymouth Six Sedan
Photo received from Kitty Ellison of
Florida (USA) showing
her great aunt, the youngest, and on the far right is the mother,
Kitty's great-grandmother. Photographed possibly Indiana, USA. Knowing
the year and model of the car might help identify oldest woman. --
The give-away on the car is the three section louver system. Two rear
sections have a chrome strip and can be opened. The front section is a
series of fixed louvers.
Can only be 1934
Plymouth Six Sedan Model PE.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca
1935 Standard Twelve Saloon
Period photo submitted to Rootschat by
Martyn from Perth (Australia)
probably taken around Fermoy in Ireland. He
would love to find out what car it is and the year of the pic.
-- The recognition feature when all else is missing
are the twin tapered air vents with molded ends. The car is a cca 1935 Standard Twelve
Saloon.
These were made between 1934 and 1936. There was a smaller Standard Nine.
The peculiar 'leaning' stance of the people suggests straightened
picture was taken on a hill.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1936
Chevrolet Master Sedan
Moody photo received from Stephen A.
Barneby currently in (Iraq) with
the Regional Reconstruction Team in Erbil.
The photo is romantically entitled Gunbarell Hill, Boulder, Colorado and
Stephen believes the picture was taken in the late 30's. He
assumes that it was not a very expensive model, as the family had very
little money. --
The photo was very small and low resolution so identification cannot be definite
but our Friends at AACA think it is a cca
1936 Chevrolet Master series.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1939
Morris S2 10cwt Van
Photo submitted by Chris Dell (UK)
saying he wondered if we might be able to
identify/date the van in the picture. He knows the picture is very poor,
but it is all he has, being taken from a larger picture.
-- This one
was surprisingly difficult in view of the popular make it was. With
assistance of our Chas Moody, we nailed this to a cca 1939 Morris Series
2 10cwt Van. These were made 1935 to 1939, had an offset starting handle
and sidevalve engine, and the last to have centre throttle pedal.
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INTERESTING AND UNUSUAL VEHICLES:1951
Bond Minibyke
Interesting photo sent in by Tedscout (Australia) after
an enquiry to Rootschat about a BSA Motorcycle. Photo shows his mother
standing next to a 'Bond'. --
I did not know about the Minibyke but seems this was made by
the same company that made the Bond three wheeler car, and some other
strange scooters and motorbikes. Photo is too small to confirm reg but
it could be HAY or MAY or WAY. AY is Leicester CC and build dates are 49
to 53, so only the HAY fits a cca
1951 Bond Minibyke.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:UPDATE:
cca 1925 FN M60 Motorcycle
Another of a number of very interesting
photos submitted by Jan Lundin (Sweden)
showing vehicles in the 20s and 30s Scandinavia, for which he is seeking
identification and dating, and specifically if it was English. -- This one has done the rounds
of our usual motorcycle experts without identification. Bike and engine definitely
not British. Contacted in 2016 by Michiel
Huisman (secretary of the Dutch VMC) who advised this is a Belgian cca
1925 FN M60 350cc motorcycle modified for racing.
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PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED:
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H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
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normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo
on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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