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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:  1902
Toledo Model A Steamer
On HP118
we identified the car as a cca
1901 Toledo Model B Steamer. -- Have now been advised by Nick Howell (UK),
who has a Toledo, that this is a cca
1902 Toledo Model A Steamer
as it has curved back to the rear
corner of seat, the top half of which carries forward around the
corner. Nick also advises that American Bicycle Company was started by
Pope 1900, bought rights to the steam car from Mr Billings;
formed International Motor Car Co 1901, changed to Pope Manufacturing
1903.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1907 Humber 10'12 Tourer
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was sent this photo by a fiend
for identification. He thought the car is a Humber around 1910, but not
sure of model. -- Indeed
a Humber who made plethora of models during this period, some
in their Coventry factory and some in Beeston, with same models having
differing features. This car seems to have tubular dumb-irons and
individual vertical cooling tubes suggesting one of the earlier cars, cca 1907 Humber 10'12
Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1909 Weigel Tourer
Lovely
period photo sent to us by Ian Steadman (UK)
of
grandfather, Albert Steadman, of Ashtead,
chauffeur and valet to Mr. Mears at Forest Lodge, Ashtead. Wartime he
drove for the Royal Flying Corps. No
specific information on this event! -- Quite
unique car
identified by Ariejan Bos as a cca
1909 Weigel Tourer, probably the 20HP.
Weigel were British from London, ex MD of Clement-Talbot, mainly few
large 20/30/40HP cars including 13 & 15 litre Grand Prix cars. Closed
1909.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1912 Arrol-Johnston Edison-Electric
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK)
sent us this photo of car seen at Goodwood by a friend
and wondered if we knew what it was? --
Initially obscure vehicle looking an
electric car probably connected with Edison and based on his work on
eclectic cars as recently advised on our Help
Page 117 and HP
127. Research advises it is indeed a cca
1913 Edison Electric with body by
Offord, one of only two built in Scotland by Arrol Johnston for/as
Edison Accumulator Vehicle 806 Model AJ Type 2A5W.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1912 Pasnhard & Levassor Tourer
Lovely
period photo sent to us by Ian Steadman (UK)
of
grandfather, Albert Steadman, of Ashtead,
chauffeur and valet to Mr. Mears at Forest Lodge, Ashtead for many
years. During the war he drove for the Royal Flying Corps. --
Registration LE 5197 is London County
Council. Car is French from Paris and one of founders of motor
industry. From shape of radiator top appears to be a cca
1912 Panhard & Levassor Tourer,
probably X8 or X12. Agents in UK: W. and G. Du Cros of Acton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Perhaps
1913 Haynes Touring
On HP18
we identified this car as a cca
1913 Cartercar Tourer after consultation with our friends at the
AACA in the USA. -- We
have now been contacted by Varun Coutinho that he thinks this could be
another American car of the period, the cca 1913 Haynes, 5-Passenger
Touring. He has suggested it could be either a Model 24 4, 23 6, or 26
6. Subsequent study of these models suggests he could well be right but
not being experts on American cars we cannot provide a definitive ID.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1914 Rover 12 Tourer
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) was puzzled by this unidentified
photo captioned 'Photo taken about 1940 in the Wairarapa area.' Looks
like a Rover but which. -- Indeed
a British Rover made in Solihull in Warwickshire. It is a cca
1914 Rover 12 Tourer which can take
its dating from the shape of the rad, the bulkhead filler cap and by
the flat mudguards. Rover 12s came in four variants, this designed by
Owen Clegg, 1912-'23; made pre-war having a 2297cc four.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
c1914 Mercedes Town Car
One of number of interesting photos sent
to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia)
who is collector of old photos. The picture shows
Generaladjutant to the Kaiser Wilhelm II von Lyncker February 1915. --
c1913+ 'spitzkuhler' Daimler Mercedes
with open-drive Town Car body. Our
veterans expert Ariejan Bos from Holland advises that in period used
'regular' and Knight engines. As is a large car, regular engine
could be the 28/95 PS; in case of a Knight engine perhaps 16/45 PS.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1916 Ford Model T Touring
Another photo received from our regular contributor Raoul
Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) from a
batch of photos he purchased recently and has on a big website on line
at Flickr. The photograph was discovered in an antiques shop in
Glasgow. It was apparently taken in Northern Ireland, so the car is
presumably English? --
May be British made car by American manufacturer. No visible front
dumbirons, oil sidelights and electric mains so immediately ponts to a
cca 1916 Ford Model T Touring.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1918 Oldsmobile Touring
Difficult pixly photos sent to us by Laura
Nicolson (Canada?) saying
"Please help: I have no idea what
kind of car this is? I am researching my Great Grandpa! Can you tell me
the name and year of this car? Thank you. --
Always bit difficult to identify cars from
the back but especially if it is an upside-down distorted
photo-of-a-photo. Our Mark Dawber
had a look at few makes and suggests
this could be American car from Lansing Michigan, being cca
1918 Oldsmobile Touring, poss 45.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1918 Oakland 34 Touring
Lovely
period photos sent to us by Kees Tijmons (Spain)
who asked if we would you be so kind to identify these vehicles and the
year. These cars belonged to his grandmother and aunts. He would be
very grateful for any information
-- Our
Mark Dawber confirmed another American, and looked at similar Oldsmobile but
the rear slanting hood louvres confirm it is an Oakland.
Oakland Motor Co is from Pontiac Michigan and this is a cca
1918 Oakland 34 Touring. Became
Pontiac in 1926, to 2010.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1918 Cadillac Type 57 Touring
Lovely
period photos sent to us by Kees Tijmons (Spain)
who asked if we would you be so kind to identify these vehicles and the
year. These cars belonged to his grandmother and aunts. He would be
very grateful for any information
-- Our
Mark Dawber suggests an American cca
1918 Cadillac Type 57 Touring.
Distinctive features: the horn on the side, removable panel below
it and grease access point for rear spring. The 57 is last
model with the coarse louvres. The 59 has fine louvres.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1920 Fiat 505 Torpedo
Lovely
period photos sent to us by Kees Tijmons (Spain)
who asked if we would you be so kind to identify these vehicles and the
year. These cars belonged to his grandmother and aunts. He would be
very grateful for any information
-- People
hiding most of car but five
bolt Sankey wheels limits the possibilities. Our Mark Dawber suggests
this one could be Italian from Torino, and could be a cca
1920 Fiat 505 Torpedo. Based on
the 501, 2296 cc (30 hp) engine, 30,000 made between 1919 - 1925.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1924 Dodge Touring
Lovely
period photo sent to us by Ronald Van Til (USA
but in New Zealand) of their Great
Grandfather standing by his American car taken in Grand Rapids,
Michigan; luggage and tent ready for a trip to Niagara Falls. Would
appreciate help to identify car and year made. --
Awkward angle so ID very difficult. Even
though most of the important parts are obscured, our Mark Dawber
suggests it is a cca
1924 Dodge Touring. First year
for hood louvres, and last year for the 24" wheels.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1925 Star Model F Touring
Another couple of lovely
period photo sent to us by Ronald Van Til (USA
but in New Zealand) taken in the
1920's of Grandfather's car in Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA. Perhaps
that number on the license plate is a large clue?
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Licence plate helps to date the car to
1925 in Michigan. The radiator has scallops on the sides which limits
makes. This is a car made by Durant Motors and aimed to compete with
Ford T, being a cca 1925 Star Model F Touring. In the UK and Empire it
was called a 'Rugby'.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1925 Oakland 6-54 Sedan
One of number of interesting photos sent
to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia)
who is collector of old photos. Unfortunately, no date or venue is
indicated on the backside. --
Car could have been 'European made' but
looks of American design. Our Mark
Dawber had a couple of ideas. Originally thought of a Nash but then
noticed the sun visor, which is very GM style. Investigation advised
this car is cca
1925 Oakland 6-54 Sedan made in
Pontiac, Michigan. GM 1909, was Pontiac 1926-2010.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1926 Rudge-Whitworth 500cc
Mahmoud Ezzeldin (Egypt)
from 'Vintage Wheels Egypt' sends us a couple of photos from colleague Burges
Simone of great grandfather based in Egypt between 1921 and 1930. Would
love to know the make and model of the motorbike, Rudge & Douglas
were two names to come to mind. -- Our
vintage motorcycle sleuth Chas Moody advises indeed a cca
1926 Rudge-Whitworth 500cc OHV. Photos
seem to show that a sidecar is attached. Has rim
brakes but apparently not very effective.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1933 SS1 4-Seater Coupe
Rather grainy photos, enhanced by us, sent
by Tony Alston (UK) trying
to establish make and model of grandfather's sports car when training
as a pilot during WW2. Can just see girlfriend of the time named Peggy
who was in the WAF. Possibly Jaguar or Aston Martin?
-- Slanted
louvres so this is a cca
1933 SS1 4-Seater Coupe made by
Swallow Coachbuilding having a Standard engine. Renamed SS Cars 1934.
Used name of SS Jaguar on cars from 1935 and renamed Jaguar Cars 1945.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1934 Horch 8 Typ 750 B
One of number of interesting photos sent
to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia)
who is collector of old photos. This one if from a friend of his and
shows sergeant and officer of Motor Troops of the Red Army. -- Confirmed
by our friend Raoul Rainer from Stuttgart that car in the photo seems
to be a cca
1933'4 Horch 8 - 4.5 Liter Typ 750 B.
Photo does not show whole car so possibly a Pullman-Cabriolet with body
by Karosserie Karl Baur. Horch made numerous models during that period.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1935 Hillman Minx Saloon
Photos sent to us by Ian Steadman (UK)
of his father Basil Steadman's
Austin 7 (ALR 43) from his honeymoon round trip London to Glasgow,
spring of 1940. The Hillman Minx (CPG 321) is first car Ian remembers
as child, and he is in back seat, early 1950s. The registration is
Surrey March 1935.
-- Ages:
Austin Seven Two Door Saloon carries registration ALR 43 issued London
CC August 1933. Hillman
Minx Four Door Saloon carries registration
CPG 321, indeed issued by Surrey CC, March 1935.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1936 Morris Eight Saloon
Lovely
period photos sent to us by Ian Steadman (UK)
of
grandfather, Albert Steadman, of Ashtead,
chauffeur and valet to Mr. Mears at Forest Lodge, Ashtead. Wartime he
drove for the Royal Flying Corps. These photos show
his later cars, a Morris 8 and a 'new' Morris Minor (split windscreen).
-- Ages:
Morris Eight carries registration of CXA 550 issued April 1936 by
London County Council. The Morris Minor carries registration of YPB
48 as issued August 1955 by Surrey County Council.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1937 Hudson Touring Sedan
One of number of interesting photos sent to us by Andrew Kostin from
Moscow (Russia) who is collector of old
photos. Can we identify photo of this captured vehicle? The photo was
taken somewhere in the USSR after the V-Day. --
Much of car is hidden so ID is difficult.
Our Mark Dawber suggests a cca
1937 Hudson or lower price Terraplane.
Hub cap and window vents would have been helpful, but features
are obscured. Side mount tyres perhaps Hudson but some Terraplanes also
had them.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1940 Austin Eight AP Tourer
Rather pixly photo sent to us by Roland
Hargreave (UK)
asking" Are you able to say what make of car we had - I think it
dated to about 1929 and may have been an Austin - we managed to get
around despite my parents already having five children !
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an Austin but a cca
1940 Austin Eight AP Tourer, Two Door
Four Seat. Introduced 1939-43, 47,000 made before WW2, 2/4 door. Also
9,000 Military 'Tilly' 8 Tourers made with vertical louvres during
WW2. No Tourers made after WW2.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1941 Horch 853 Fire-Engine
Our Publicity Officer Tony Russell (UK)
found this photo on his searches through the internet
and wondered if we knew what it was? --
This is a well known one-off vehicle
located in the Czech Republic. It started life as a 1941 Horch 853
Sports Cabriolet hastily abandoned by a German Officer on evacuation at
end of WW2. Body discarded but new Fire Engine body built by CZ
coachmaker T. Lepil designed for six people and hoses, as a fast
intervention vehicle used Brno-Komin Firebrigade 1949.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1947 Chevrolet Fleetmaster Sedan
One of number of interesting photos sent
to us by Andrew Kostin from Moscow (Russia)
who is collector of old photos. Photo from a friend.
Picture shows American (?) car with Soviet military personnel
somewhere in just liberated European territory in 1945/1946 --
Mark Dawber advises General Motors of Detroit, being a cca 1947
Chevrolet Fleetmaster.
The horisontal badge just visible; 1946 badge is
more vertical and the 1948 cars have a extra vertical strip added to
the grille.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unidentified
Light Tourer
Another interesting period photo sent to
us by Alun Pugh of Leeds (UK) which
was a postcard send to him by a friend.
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photo is a photo-of-a-photo scanned a very low resolution so that when
magnified it is only a series of very jagged pixles.
Unfortunately the photo cannot be recanned larger. The car seems to be
a four seat tourer of the 1920s period with quite thin wheels and a 'spitzkuhler'
pointed radiator with an arcing curved profile reminiscent of German
20s NAG, Opel or Stoewer.
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