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The SVVS Website currently receives
approximately 500,000
hits a year and the "HELP
PAGE" is internationally the most
visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians
and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to
identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification
of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as
new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our
associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle -
These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries
received, and information that we have provided :
Page 31 below relates to enquiries received
during
2010. Click
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1899
Daimler Kimberly Tonneau
Photo sent to us by Kay Pittelkow (Australia) taken
in 1908 Yorkshire of a car possibly owned by great grand uncle
Walter Graves. --
Probably not! This is very likely a photographers
"prop" (no reg) and could well be same car as on Help
Page 16. The car is a cca
1899 Daimler Kimberly 4HP Tonneau. Car has a weird black box
around the front axle, possibly 'dark room' or tripod store. Tyres
appear flat and there is a sand 'ramp' by rear wheel.
No tyre tracks to indicate how it got there.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1900
De Dion Buton
Period photo sent in by Richard Wheeler (UK) asking
if we can identify this car he found while trying to investigate
late father's family history. Is it a steamer?
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Although it has an American look due leather apron, it has De Dion type
wheel hubs. Our expert Rory Sinclair has immediately identified it as a 1900
De Dion Bouton Vis-a-vis, a 3.5hp Type
E or a 4.5hp Type G1. The apron is a period mod, front seat could
be made to face either way, and hinged footboard can be folded
back.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1900
English Mechanic
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in an Italian Film " Fumo di Londra" (Smoke
over London) made in 1966, where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. The plot involves an Italian man in love with
British culture and lifestyle. His dream is to come to 'swinging London'
and live like a typical Englishman
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This is a cca
1900 English Mechanic. Cars were home made by their owners
from plans provided by the magazine 'English Mechanic' based on Benz
Velo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1901
Enfield Quadricycle
Request sent to us by Sonia Liff of Appleby
Magna (UK)
who are doing web memoirs of a villager
recalling a Dr Davidson who in 1901 bought his first car, a one
cylinder Lee Enfield. Could they use our
photo to illustrate type of car. -- Not
Lee Enfield as they made swords,
muskets and rifles. Manufacturer probably Enfield Cycle Company in
Reddich, Worcestershire who made a 1901
Enfield Quadricycle with 244 cc engine good for 30 mph.
Photo is 2006, of a regular Brighton Runner.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1905
Darracq Type R Tonneau
Period photo sent in to Rootschat by Ambleetc
(UK) asking if
anybody can help him date this photo? --
The registration is Northumberland
County Council but dating data has been lost. Confirmed by ex Darracq
owner Rory Sinclair that it is a cca
1905/6 Darracq Tonneau, 2 cylinder 12hp
Type R. The vertical gilled tube radiator with thin brass surround is
1905 or later. Famous "Genevieve" Type O, has incorrect
honeycomb radiator copied from Type P 'Flying Fifteen' Darracq.
Photo poss 1908.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1911
Rover 12 Tourer
Lovely photo sent in by Simon
Beer (UK)
doing some family research and has found a photo's of his grandfather's
first car. He was a doctor and served in the first world war, so its
probably from around that time. It seems he never learnt to drive
relying instead on being driven around by his wife, - she learnt to
drive in 1916. Identification of car has so far eluding Simon.
-- The car is a cca
1911 Rover 12 Tourer. A
sundial is in front of the numberplate, so
dating and region cannot be confirmed.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1913
Bedelia Cyclecar
Photo sent to us by our French Member,
Michel Gosset (UK) of
a photo hanging in a pub in Toys Hill, Brasted. It is headed "Lord
Weardale's car, said to be the first motor car to use Chart
Lane". --
Photo shows a French
cca 1913 Bedelia
Cyclecar. It is unlikely no other vehicle had been along the lane pre
1913 and, - as this was a sporty but relatively inexpensive machine, was
unlikely to have been their only car to be seen in. In 1906 he built
Weardale Manor of 145 rooms for summer use.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1913
Wolseley Tourer
Photo sent in by Esmond Morgan,
Northamptonshire, (UK) asking
if we can identify the car in the attached family picture. The photo is
of two members of his mother-in-law's family. Mother-in-law is now
91. Esmond believes they used to run a wedding business.
-- Can advise
that the car is
cca 1912/13 Wolseley Tourer, probably the 16/20 Model.
Wolseley were in the sheep shearing machinery and had Herbert Austin
design the first cars, later Siddley, and taken over by
Nuffield in 1927.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:Possibly
cca 1913 Benz Tourer
Two photos sent in by Tom
Hope,Toronto (Canada)
of grandparents in a WW1 staff car. He was a colonel in the pre
revolution Russian army fighting on the Eastern Front circa 1915-1918.
Enquiry to Crossley website asking if Crossley.
They said no and reticenced on suggesting others because of the blanket
on the bonnet.
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I am going out on a limb and think that the car is a cca
1912-14 Benz. Side light windscreen chain cover etc. Tyres
support the Russian connection being Treugolnik.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1916
Overland Touring
Photo sent in by Patrick Kennedy (USA) asking
if we can identify this car. Great Grandma Rosa Beal photographed
at their property in Unionville MO. USA. The story is, that this car was
bought to get back and forth from Illinois to Missouri but they
never said what car they bought, only took a photo!
-- Our Friend Chris Poulsen at the
AACA pointed us in the right direction so we can confirm this is
cca
1916 Overland 81 Touring
4 door. Length of bonnet suggests model number.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1917
Buick D35 Touring
Photo received from Paul Leopold
from Worcestershire (UK) of
his grandfather's car in Holloway, North London. He had a Humber and a
car with a "dicky seat". Another uncle had an open top
Bugatti. --
Not either. This is an American mid range tourer
1917-21. Fuzzy photo without rad badge. Looks Buick-ey as no external
door hinges, partially covered springs, correct wheel nuts etc. Our John
Warburton spent a few hours and has put his money on a ca 1917 Buick
Model D35 Touring.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1922
Ford Model T Raceabout
Photo sent in by Bruce Cox (USA)
asking for possible identification. His Grandmother Anita Tilley
is the passenger and the driver is Joe Browne. It appears
from her age that this was taken in about 1928 and photographed in
Washington D.C. " You web site is wonderful. Thank you for sharing
your expertise." --
This is another 'special' and a very similar car to the other Raceabout
on this page, being a
cca 1922 Ford Model T Raceabout. It is
a little difficult to be precise about the dating.
cca 1922 Ford Model T Raceabout. It is
a little difficult to be precise about the dating.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1923
Ford Model T Raceabout
Photo sent to us by David Harrigan (USA)
of Jerry Houlton's father when he was mid
20s. Jerry has always wondered what kind of car this was. "Home-made"? Any ideas? -- Body
is indeed home made and looks well finished. With transverse spring,
rounded bonnet and six louvres, it is a Model T, 1916 to 1926. Our
AACA friends have narrowed it down 'front wish bone below axle and small
drum rear axle, '19 to '25. Short of any other info, its a cca 1923 Ford Model T Raceabout Special.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1925
Rally Cyclecar Sports
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in an American film " The Betsy" made in 1978, where the vehicles are being investigated by
IMCDB. The plot involves a family automobile manufacturer
who pin their hopes for a return to profitability on a new model. Said
to be based on some members of the Ford family of Detroit; obvious
parallel is apparently Olivier playing a Henry Ford like character.
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This car is a cca
1925 Rally Sports Cyclecar from France.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1926
Morris Cowley Chummy
Photo sent in by Colin Palmer saying his
father once told him that he had a Bebe Peugeot in Shanghai. Could this
be the Car? -- Sorry, NO.
Looked Morris so forwarded by our Chas Moody to Peter Seymour
of Bullnose Morris who said it was a cca
1926 Morris Cowley 'Occasional Four', or 'Chummy'. The Chummy
was made in small numbers from 1923 to 1926. Survivors are rare. Two
basic inwards facing fold-down rear seats which if folded up provide a
good space for luggage. Bigger tyres.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1927
Fiat 509a Tourer
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle
which appeared in an Italaian mini series "Il Capo dei Capi"
made in 2007 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. The
complicated plot involves a mafioso from Corleone, Sicily.
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This car is a cca
1927 Fiat 509a Tourer. The 509 announced in 1924, replaced
the 501 in 1925 and spec changed to 509a in 1926. At the end of the
production run in 1929 over 90,000 cars had been built
including sports
models, taxi cabs and commercials.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1927
Morris Cowley Tourer
Photo received from Mr. D. Oakley (UK)
to which he is trying to put names to the people. Year of the
manufacture of the car would be most helpful.
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Confirmed by our Morris expert Chas Moody
as a cca
1927 Morris Cowley Tourer. These cars
were known as 'flatnose' because they followed the famous range of 'bullnose'
Morrises. Flatnose rad commenced in September 1926. Three-stud wheels
differentiate the Cowley from the similar but more
expensive Oxford. Pre August 1928.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:cca1929
Citroen C4F Camionnette
Interesting enquiry received from an
insurance company requesting assistance in identifying a vintage truck
which had burnt out and for which they received a claim. Claim indicated
it was a 1926 CF4. -- While
this is not what we normally get involved with, we were able to advise
that the damaged car was a cca
1929 Citroen C4F Camionnette, one of
the first upgrades to the AC4 range, 1928-1930. This suggests that the
import documents did not have the right build date, - not
very unusual.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1930
Nash Eight Touring
Photo received from Adrian
Pascu-Tulbure (Romania) taken
in 1939 Romania. Adrian thinks the car is American. A friend thinks it
is a Buick but Adrian thinks it is a Lincoln without the Lincoln
bumper. --
Actually it is neither. Our friends at the
AACA have nailed it down as a 1930
Nash Touring Twin-Ignition Eight.
Nash's first 4-door convertible, priced new at $1,795. The
front wheels were set slightly narrower than rear. Founded
1917 and named after founder, who also purchased Rambler.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1930
Citroen B14 Tourer
A series of four photos sent in by Lindsay Crawford
(Australia)
saying he is trying to identify one
of his father's early cars. Photos are dated late 1949 judging by the
ages of the kids. Taken on camping holidays in Victoria, Australia.
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Lovely photos great on views but tiny on the car. When blown up, the
pics are a bit blurry and thoughts it was American. However our
Antipodean friends suggested European by smaller size wheels. Closer
study identifies it a French cca
1930 Citroen B 14 Tourer.
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DATING OF UK REGISTRATION:1932
Ford Model A Buehrig Cabriolet
Article sent to us by Nigel
Matthews, Vancouver, BC, (Canada)
about a 1932
Model "A" Ford built for Gordon Beuhrig, the
Duesenberg and Cord designer. Why was this car fitted with a UK licence
plate? Could we date registration. -- YE
series was London County Council January 1927. The car was seen at a
Hollywood studio, so number for a film? Or unlikely, a genuine plate of
27 kept as a 'cherished number'. Photo shows the car on the right side
of the road. In the UK, if genuine, it would be on left.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1935
Lanchester 18HP Mulliner
Damaged photo sent to Rootschat by Brian (UK) of
his grandfather standing next to a
car outside the Crown Courts at Caernarvon. Would it be possible to
repair the photo? -- One
of my hobbies is photo restoration.
The Car is cca
1934 Lanchester 18 Model 317 with a
Mulliner coach-built
body. Fredrick Lanchester was unique in not copying
any car designs but starting at first principles. Gas engines in 1889, first
car in 1895. Amalgamated with Daimler in 1931, - who
were owned by BSA.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1934
Commer Centaur Box Van
Lovely photo sent in by Paul Dobson (UK) of
his grandfather Walter Dobson who
was a driver for Jacksons Stores Ltd in Pontefract, West Yorkshire. They
no longer exist. He knows that the reg UG 8502 was issued in Leeds area
but he cannot identify the vehicle make.
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We can confirm that the reg was issued by Leeds CBC in about April 1934.
The rather smart vehicle is therefore a 1934
Commer Box Van
with a forward control body, probably a Centaur or perhaps a
forward Raider.
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IDENTIFICATION AND
DATING:1934
Bedford Small Lorry
Photo sent to us by Bill Johnson (UK)
of a small lorry which at the time was
owned by Newham Coal Co., of Truro Cornwall. Can we supply any
information on the Make, Model and Date of the vehicle. Registration
AAF 567 was issued between March and June 1934, so that is the
date. The make is Bedford
who were by then based in Luton, who
were a Vauxhall subsidiary, who in turn were a General Motors (USA) subsidiary
(earlier trucks 'British Chevrolets'). The model is the WS or perhaps
WT.
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IDENTIFICATION
AND DATING:cca
1910 UNKNOWN Tourer
Photograph from David Carmody (UK) which
shows Count Plunkett campaigning cca 1917 for the first Dail in county
Longford, Ireland. It would be very useful if this car could be
identified. --
Unfortunately identification has not been possible because
the all important radiator is hidden and bodies may have been made by
external coachwork companies. If British then NOT Humber, Wolseley ,
Sunbeam or Napier, Star, Crossley, or Argyll. Poss Belsize or
Darracq. American, Cadilllac?
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PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED:
 YOUR
H E L P IS NEEDED PLEASE !
As can be seen from our Help Pages we
normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which
we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally
we get stuck. Clicking on the photo
on the right opens the page
containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any
help would be very much appreciated.
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