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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1900
Benz Comfortable
Fascinating enquiry received from John McLean, Retired Curator, Motor
Museum of Western Australia (Australia)
who with the Australasian Motor Museums
Association have been asked to identify the attached vehicle known in
Sydney in early 1900's. Only picture available is poor. -- Our
Ariejan Bos advises car is clearly a Benz,
probably a Comfortable, but
much modified. Curved frame was characteristic for the Velocipede and
the Comfortable. The production year will have been 1899 or 1900.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1905
Rex with 2HP Buchet Engine
Fascinating photo received from Roger Lovell (UK)
who is compiling archive of early
vehicles in Leicestershire and has this image for inclusion. Although a
Luton registration, the machine was owned by Mr Bert Bircher of Ibstock
and the photograph was taken outside number 86 High Street. Any idea on
the make, especially the unusual engine? --
Info via our Chas Moody from Martin
Shelley that from Bedford archives it is a 1905
Rex fitted by fourth owner with weaker
2HP Buchet engine.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1907 Aerocar Model F Touring
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is trying to identify
vehicle on NZ facebook page but from the US National Air and Space
Museum of a Wright Flyer being transported in Virginia by a very
unusual car What is it? -- Much
international discussion and debate on AACA forum due to Packardalike radiator
and eventually confirmed by our Ariejan Boss that it is a cca
1907 Aerocar Model F. This is the
'new' water-cooled car, previously air-cooled, before company closed
1908.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908
Daimler Open Drive Landaulette
Another puzzling photo received from James Baxendale (UK)
of cars belonging to his family. Photo taken in the 1900s. --
Grand car in front of a grand collonaded
house. Registration W 569 was issued by Sheffield CBC, no dating info
kept, and is no longer in use. The vehicle is a British built
Daimler and from the flat mudguards, forward mounted steering tie
rod and small lights, this dates it to a cca
1908 Daimler Open Drive Landaulette,
being a medium sizes vehicle probably a 28Hp.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908
Humber 20HP Ambulance
Another puzzling photo received
from from Georges Truffaut (Belgium) of a
vehicle he is trying to identify. What is the make of the ambulance on
the right? On the panel is written: "Galashiels Car N°1".
What is the meaning of this? -- Galashiels
is a town down south of Edinburgh. Presumably the ambulance was
supplied by donations of 'war effort' money by people of Galashiels.
Two of our experts agree not FIAT or Napier, but is a Beeston built cca
1908 Humber 20HP War Ambulance.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1908 Clement Talbot Roi de Belges
Another puzzling photo received from James Baxendale (UK)
of cars belonging to his family. Photo taken in August 1919. Is this a
Wolseley referred to by his grandmother in her memoirs? --
Very bad grainy photo but regret this is
not a Wolseley. The hump on the
radiator and the bolt through the centre of radiator identify it as
Clement which had complicated French/UK connections. Could be the same
one on HP135,
a British Kensington built bigger cca
1908 Clement Talbot Roi de Belges.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1908
Clement Talbot 35HP 4F
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is trying to identify the
vehicle on a photo from Facebook which was possibly
taken in New Zealand. Talbot? -- Not
much in the background to help in determining the location. The car is
a little easier to identify and it is indeed a c1908 Clement Talbot
35HP Mode 4F Roi-des-Belges. Clement Talbot had a complicated company
history at the time; Originally
French, the London end of Clement became Clement Talbot from 1904 based
in Kensington.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1910 Darracq
10'12 Type R
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is trying to identify the
vehicle on a photo which was possibly
taken in UK in the Woking area and headed 1914 Darracq. Presumably the
identification is correct? -- Earlier.
Prefix letter H is a Middlesex County
Council reg'n which started 1904 and ended 9999 by 1912, so 5962 would
have been considerably earlier, poss '10. The rounded scuttle bodywork
going to a flat bulkhead is earlier too, so the smaller c1910 Darracq
10'12 Type R.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1910
Darracq Model RR 14'16 Phaeton
Cinema screen grab taken from a British film "Colette" made in 2018, where cars are
investigated by IMCDB. Keira Knightley plays a young French girl who
writes a novel under her husband's name. Based on true story. --
Looks like a current UK registration Grimsby 1911 but this does not seem to be on
the DVLA register under that number. Why a UK registration if in
France? It is of correct age and has correct body for the larger mid
range cca
1910 Darracq Model RR 14'16 Double Phaeton.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912
Opel 16'25 Doppelphaeton
Cinema screen grab taken from a pre WW1 silent Danish film
"Det Hemmelighedsfulde X" (Sealed Orders) made in 1914 where
cars are investigated by IMCDB. Film is about WW1 cruiser officer
wrongfully convicted as traitor. --
Film was silent and before WW1 so German version had titles
changed to eliminate any words such as spies and traitors, which were
turned into smugglers. Very old film so not very clear but we are
relatively sure this car is a cca
1912 Opel 16'25 Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912
Delaunay Belleville IA4 Torpedo
Cinema screen grab taken from a French film
"On a Vole La Joconde" (The Mona Lisa Has
Been Stolen) made in 1966 where
cars are investigated by IMCDB. Film is about a framer, who gets
a job as an apprentice, but really wants to steel Mona Lisa. --
Interesting car which from the front has a circular radiator/bonnet
with a stepped scuttle so a limit in choice of makes. From the back it
seems one of their smaller models, so would be a cca 1912 Delaunay
Belleville 12HP IA4 Torpedo.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1913 Renault Open Drive Landaulette
Another puzzling photo received from James Baxendale (UK)
of cars belonging to his family. Photo taken cca 1919 with the Bishop
of London in the car. -- Another
very grainy photo which we have enhanced. This car has a scuttle bonnet
and a rounded edge radiator, and bodywork is still a formal older shape
landaulette of some considerable size. No registration is visible to
help with dating but we think this is a cca 1913
Renault Open Drive Landaulette., one
of the bigger models 22 or 35HP.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914
Renault 12CV EF Tourer
Cinema screen grab taken from a pre WW1 silent Danish film
"Det Hemmelighedsfulde X" (Sealed Orders) made in 1914 where
cars are investigated by IMCDB. Film is about WW1 cruiser officer
wrongfully convicted as traitor. --
Film was silent and before WW1 so German version had titles
changed to eliminate any words such as spies and traitors, which were
turned into smugglers. Unclear photo but car has scuttle electric
lights so probably cca
1914 Renault 12CV EF Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1920 Bean 11.9 Two-Seater
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is trying to identify
vehicle on photo which was taken at the
Kaikoura Garage, on the coast north of Christchurch, probably around
1918-20. Is it a Perry? -- Not
Perry but the immediate successor who bought the rights and jigs. Note
that the inner radiator mask profile is rounded whereas the Perry had a
bit of a flat. Also note it has scuttle sidelights like a Perry, so an
early one. This would be cca
1919/20 Bean 11.9, probably two seater
@ £339.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1920 Austin 20 HP All Weather Coupe
Another puzzling photo received from James Baxendale (UK)
of cars belonging to his family. Photo taken cca 1925. --
Another very grainy photo which we have
tried to enhance but could only make viewable by poster edging. No
registration is visible to help with dating but we think this is a
rather unusual bodied cca
1920 Austin 20 HP All Weather Coupe which
had a four way split windscreen just visible on the photo. An expensive
and elegant 3.6L 4 cylinder car equally as fast as 3L Bentley.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1920 Tilling Stevens TS3 Bus
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is trying to identify the
vehicle on a photo which was taken in UK in
Scotland. No information on identification. -- Tramway
company which started 1906 owned by GE Wemyss, Chief of Clan Wymyss.
Photo of the bonnet is not clear, but is a cca 1920 Tilling Stevens TS3
Petrol Electric Bus, probably with Brush Electrical coachwork. This had
4 cyl conventional constantly running petrol engine turning
generator/traction motor in lieu gearbox.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1925 Morris Commercial 1 Ton Van
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is trying to identify
vehicle on photo which was taken in
Australia. -- Vehicle
belonged to British Imperial Oil Co which began deliveries of Shell
fuel to garages in 1916, The van was for maintenance of pumps.
Very unusual radiator header tank on what seems to be a Morris vehicle.
It is possible that this design of header was perhaps on only colonial
export vehicles. This is a cca
1925 Morris Commercial 1 ton Van. One
sold in Australia 2017.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1925 Morris Commercial 1 Ton Van
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is trying to identify the
vehicle on a photo which was taken in New
Zealand. -- This
seems same type of van as above, which confirms possible design of
curious header only on export models. This is a cca
1925 Morris Commercial 1 Ton Van.
Early Model T commercials had only Morris on the header tank
whereas little later the logo was Morris Commercial. No photo of any British
based van with this header, but one was sold Australia recently.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1926 Morris T type Lorry
Our regular contributor Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) is trying to identify
vehicle on NZ facebook page taken in Whangarei in the far north
of NZ probably taken during or just after WW2. Note the radiator has no
'badge', unlike Morris light van versions looked at down this page.
-- Confused
by indented bonnet side just below the hinge on the bonnet and lack of
name. I don't seem to have record of similar? I would date it cca
1925 + T type as the one ton was not
available before that or WW2.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937
Lincoln Zephyr 4 Door Sedan
Interesting photo received from Bob Knowles
(UK) who has been searching through family
photos and has found another of his grandfather's cars. It looks like
a Lincoln Zephyr. Help appreciated. --
Registration FTW 509 is an Essex CC issue
of November 1937 and the rear of the car is that of a cca
1937 Lincoln Zephyr. Rear hinge is
just visible advising it is a Four Door Saloon. Zephyr was a mid price Lincoln
made 1936'40 by luxury division of the Ford Motor Co., and still
active.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1935
Audi Front UW 225 Cabriolet
Cinema screen grab taken from an Estonian film "Juunikuu
päevad" (June Days) made in 1957, where cars are being
investigated by IMCDB. Film is about a young man who discovers
the truth about his parents. --
From the close parallel twin sets of louvres this seem to be a cca
1935 Audi Front UW 225; a front wheel
drive car sharing engine with Wanderer. Auto Union was formed in 1932
merging DKW, Horch, Audi, and Wanderer, when car development
became more centralized.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1938 Ford Prefect E93A Saloon
Another puzzling photo received from James Baxendale (UK)
of cars belonging to his family. Photo taken in the 1930s. --
Another very grainy photo which we have
tried to enhance. No registration is visible to help with dating but we
are told the photo is from the 1930s. If this dating is accurate, this
car would therefore be a cca 1938/9 Ford Prefect E93A
Saloon. This type
of grille was on cars made between 1938 to 1948, and subsequently replaced with a
chromed grille 1948 to 1952.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown
c1932 Saloon
Intriguing photo received from
Georges Truffaut (Belgium)
of a vehicle he is trying to identify. --
RHD. It
seems very easy but none of our experts have nailed it. Interesting
suggestions of French Sizere Freres or more interesting suggestion of
Hungarian MAG from the radiator top, but nothing much else matches
including the starter handle hole. Three rows of horizontal louvres
suggest American but all think European. I was tending toward a
slightly modified c1932 Fiat 522 LWB. Any ideas?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown
Green Electrical Lantern
Intriguing photos received from Enno
Schlechter of a little lantern with green glass and asked which vehicle
it came from. -- It
seems to have a bayonet fitting small car bulb, two pin, two pole of
12V 6W, standard in UK. Has secondary bayonet fitting in the base into
which fits another male bayonet fitting but has no weather protection.
Green glass was not normal for car applications, and suggests possible
starboard marine use applications. Green was also points signal on
railways. Any ideas?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unknown
Leyland Driver Instructions
Fascinating photo received from Franz Stiburek (Austria) of
an instruction
for drivers sign. His grandfather sent
it to him from New Zealand about 30 years ago, found in an old car in
the woods. Maybe somebody needs one?--
Leyland mainly made commercial vehicles except
for limited production of a luxury car 1920/3. The cars were not a
great success and only about 18 were made. None of the original cars
survive. So this could be from a
lorry or bus. Of these they made many.
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