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Page 58 below relates to enquiries received during 2013Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1902 Daimler 9HP Charabanc
Two photographs received from our contributor Ariejan Bos (Holland), one copyrighted, registered DY20 and DY21, asking if they were MMC?   --  Advice from David Hales with some Hastings registration says both were Daimlers, 15th December 1903. DY21 was 9HP Charabanc but converted to 6HP 1907. Both numbers were used by Skinner & Co of Hastings on a variety of vehicles mostly with MMC connections but he suspects that even those registered as  Daimlers  were  in fact  MMCs (!)

1902 Daimler 9HP Charabanc

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1902 Milnes 16HP Tonneau
Photograph posted on the PreWarCar website asking for identification. --  Our contributor Ariejan Bos identified this as a cca 1902 Milnes 16HP Tonneau Interesting make; Milnes was operative 1901/2. Becomes sole agent in 1901 for British Empire with German Motorfahrzeug und Motorenfabrik Berlin; German chassis UK Body. Daimler takes over MMB 1902, stops cars and concentrates on commerials sold in UK under Milnes-Daimler name.  MMB  also made electric and  petrol electric cars. 

1902 Milnes 16HP Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 Mercedes 40HP Brougham
A photo received from Carole MacPherson (UK) saying the photograph is of her grandfather, Alfred Elborn probably taken in early 1900's at either Sherfield Manor, Hampshire or Lyne Grove, Surrey, when he was chauffeur to the South African randlord, Jim B Taylor. ('Ranlords' were controllers of gold/diamond mines in the 'rand' of Witwatersrand;  knew Barney Barnato, father of Wolf Barnato, 1920s 'Bentley Boy' racing millionaire). -- The car is a German cca 1904 Mercedes 40HP Brougham.

1904 Mercedes 40HP Brougham

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Horch Tourenwagen
We had an earlier invitation from Leif Holmberg (Sweden) to visit the website of Automobilhistoriska Klubben where there are many photographs recently placed of cars needing investigation. One had a very puzzling logo. -- Some time has passed without identification but our colleague Ariejan Bos suggested some  black&white thinking as this is actually a multisection badge having two two white panels  in the centre,  top  and  bottom;  a  German  cca 1910’11  Horch  Tourenwagen.

1910'11 Horch Tourenwagen

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911 MAF D4 Two-seater
Another lovely photo found on the AACA website posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden) asking for identification of the five vehicles. Photo origin is Sweden.  -- Not much response was received as these cars were very difficult to identify. The car on the right of group with a rounded radiator and badge high on the false radiator was made by Markranstädter Automobilfabrik in Markranstädt, Germany, and is a cca 1911 MAF D4 Two-seater which had a 1192cc air cooled  engine of 12HP.

1911 MAF D4 Two-seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1911'13 Horch Tourenwagen
Another lovely photo found on the AACA website posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden) asking for identification of the five vehicles. Photo origin is Sweden. -- The three cars in the middle are cca 1911 to 1913 Horch Tourenwagen, the left one seems to be chassis form. Subsequent to identification of the cars it has been suggested that photo may have been taken by the car dealers Erik Lundvik in Stockholm who at that time  imported  the German  Horch  and also the  MAF  range of vehicles.

1911'13 Horch Tourenwagen

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1913 MAF F5 Two-seater
Another lovely photo found on the AACA website posted by Leif Holmberg (Sweden) asking for identification of the five vehicles. Photo origin is Sweden.  -- Not much response was received as these cars were very difficult to identify. The car on the left of group with a strange false 'beaky' radiator was made by Markranstädter Automobilfabrik in Markranstädt, Germany and is a cca 1913 MAF F5 Two-seater which had a 1375  air cooled  engine of 14HP.  MAF ceased manufacturing in  1923.

1913 MAF F5 Two-seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1915 Horch Van
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a silent German documentary film "Berlin: die Sinfonie der Großstadt" (Berlin: Symphony of a City) made in 1927 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. The film documents and describes every-day life in Berlin not long after WW1.  --  This car has remained unidentified for a very long time. It appears to be a 'black maria' with a Teutonic radiator finally been identified by Ariejan Bos as a  cca 1915  Horch Van.

1915 Horch Van

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917 Ford Model T Touring
Another very interesting photograph from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania. Do we know what this is? --  Transverse front spring which confirms the immediate appearance of a Model T. Dating is a bit more difficult because no bulkhead sideligts, has possible undertray below the starting handle, but has no demountable rims, and has un upright 40/60 windscreen, suggesting a  cca 1917 Ford Model T Touring. 

1917 Ford Model T Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917 Studebaker 18 Model ED Touring
A photo received from Peter Ward from Redfern (Australia) saying this is his Great Grandfather William George Anderson. Born 1878 Wycheproof, Victoria. Died 1933 Heidelberg, Victoria, Australia. He was a 'motor driver' in Victoria, Australia. -- We thought a 1915 Studebaker 6, but one of the AACA experts noted there were seven wheel clamp bolts which suggests it is at least a cca 1917. It is a big car with long wheelbase so is likely  cca 1917 Studebaker Series 18 Model ED Touring.

1917 Studebaker Series 18 Model ED Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1918 Ford Model T Touring
A photo received from Ron Jones of the Liverpool History Society (UK) saying he would appreciate our help to identify the make and likely year of the car in the attached photograph. The only clue he can give is that the photograph was taken in Liverpool.  -- KB 6532 is a Liverpool CBC registration but no data available for accurate dating. Car is American, probably not built in UK, Trafford Park, as left hand drive. Transverse front spring, rounded bonnet, electric lighting,  a cca 1918 Ford Model T

1918 Ford Model T Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Cadillac V63 Eight Phaeton
Another very lovely photograph from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania. This photograph was sent as a help in identifying a previous car needing identification.  --  This photo shows a large well dressed rich family group obviously enjoying their rather posh tourer, and is yet another American car in Romania. Must have been a very good market for the US.  This is a  cca 1924  Cadillac V63  Eight Phaeton.

1924 Cadillac V63 Eight Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1924 Stewart Buddy Delivery Truck
Another couple of fascinating photographs from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania. This vehicle worked for biggest bread factory in Romania in Bucharest - Otto Gagel. --  It is interesting that Flor keeps coming up with pictures of American vehicles in Romania. This is a relatively unusual van from the Buffalo based commercial vehicle manufacturer being the earlier cca 1924 Stewart Buddy  Delivery Truck.

1924 Stewart Buddy Delivery Truck

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Bentley 4.5 Special
A photo received from Chris Knight (UK) found at a recently bought friend's house in the Lake District. Could we identify it? -- Quite well known sporting Bentley which has been campaigned quite extensively by various owners. The registration is YF15, registered London CC in July 1926. David Rhodes provided bottom photo showing Brian Morgan driving same car in 1962 at the Bentley Driver's Club meeting at Esso House. We have not been able to find out who driver is in original photo.

1926 Bentley 4.5 Special

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 Morris Oxford Tourer
A photo received from Chris Boone from King's Lynn asking if we could identify this car which his father owned in 1931.  -- This was a set of three photos scanned from a photo album but sent to us at a very small blurry resolution. We need to receive the photos at BEST RESOLUTION possible, as it is the detail that provides the identification. Fortunately the Wilts CC numberplate MR 9346 gave us the year and the frontal aspect of the dipping headlamp bar says cca 1927 Morris Oxford Tourer.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1928 Buick Master 6 Sport Touring
Another very interesting photograph from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania. Do we know what this is? -- American again. Wire wheels which would have been optional.  Lady's head mascot, widow's peak radiator, bullet shaped headlights, side-mounted spare tyre all spell out a cca 1928 Buick Series 120 Master 6 Sport Touring, confirmed by headlights being chromed. Two million Buicks built by '28 since 1904!

928 Buick Series 120 Master 6 Sport Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca1928 Hispano Suiza H6B Tourer
Another request for identification of a vehicles received from our regular contributor Joao Ferreira (Portugal) who says 'Photo from the archives of ACP shows an imposing vehicle surprised in a bad moment of is life".  -- Hispano but difficult, as hard from this angle to see any identification features. Spare wheel in the mudguards. The headlamp tie bar sweeps inwards. Marchal headlamps, windscreen mounted spot. No stork. Best guess is this is a French cca 1928 Hispano Suiza H6B Tourer.

cca1928 Hispano Suiza H6B Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 Lagonda 2L Tourer
A photo received from Tim Gell (France) who's school friend in Canada is pondering on the fate of his mum's Lagonda abandoned in a barn in Wales in 1939. Does it still exist?. -- No longer in DVLA records. Lagonda Car Club advise they know of the car but is not on their current database. Seems was registered at Surrey CC 3rd June 1929, then bought second hand by a couple of Garages and sold to a Mr Brown of Twickenham. Broken up in 1957 but engines still survives in another 2L.

1929 Lagonda 2L Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1930 Goliath Three-wheeler
Cinema screen grab of a car which appeared in a German documentary "100 years of the Automobile" made in 1985 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Documentary was to celebrate the centenary of the automobile in 1885.  --  Three wheeler, left hand drive, semaphore indicators each side of windscreen, two small outrider lights, single wiper blade, all point to this being a cca 1930 Goliath made by Goliath Werke Borgward  & Co. It has a  non standard  dummy radiator.

1930 Goliath Three-wheeler

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1932 Ford Model 18 Fordor Sedan
Another very interesting photograph from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania. Do we know what this is? --  The V8 insignia on the wheel hubs helps to say it is V8 powered. The same insignia on the headlamp tie-bar announces that Ford was making history with introducing the V8 engine to the mass market. This is a cca 1932 Ford Model 18 V8 Fordor Sedan.  Similar body on the Four but without the V8.

1932 Ford Model 18 V8 Fordor Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1934 Plymouth PE Convertible Coupe
Couple of photos from Rob Haesloop, Pinetown (South Africa) compiling family history in German Concession Areas of pre-Communist Northern China. Pictures show a fox/goose hunting trip in 1950 in swampy Seratinka, near Tientsin. Family were ejected in 1951, so car could be mid '40s. -- Ten years out. Round bonnet mascot, winged rad mascot, louvers and vent doors on bonnet side, pinpoint this to an American cca 1934 Plymouth PE CC Convertible Coupe, with two registration numbers.

1934 Plymouth PE CC Convertible Coupe

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1954 DKW F91 Maisterklasse Saloon
A photo received from Joe Otway (UK) saying a family member took the picture and he has been searching for some time and not getting far. It looked a little Swedish but couldn't find a Volvo or Saab that match. -- Not really surprising as the car is German. SXY14 is a London County Council Registration of 1956 but with shuttered grille and no indicators this looks a front wheel drive Auto Union product,  being a cca 1954 DKW F91 Meisterklasse Saloon   with 900cc two-stroke engine.

1954 DKW F91 Maisterklasse Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1957 Austin A105 Westminster
Cinema screen grab of a car which appeared in a German Edgar Wallace crime fiction series  "Der Buclige von Soho"  (The Hunchback of Soho) made in 1966 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. American  girl heiress is kidnapped and Scotland Yard investigates!  --  The car being investigated is the cca 1957 Austin A105 Westminster Saloon in the background.  The film 'police' car in the foreground (with spring 1961 numberplate) is cca 1961 Wolseley 6/110.

1957 Austin A105 Westminster Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Probably c1910 Cadillac Model 30
Cinema screen grab of a car which appeared in an American silent movie " The Mothering Heart" made in 1913 where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Husband becomes sucessful, goes with a rich lover, gets abandoned, returns to wife. --  Very grainy photos so difficult to be positive,  but from rear transverse spring and curved bonnet top, it is probably a cca 1910 Cadillac Model 30 Landaulet. Studebaker-Garford also had transverse rear but had wavy bonnet top.

 Probably cca 1910 Cadillac Model 30 Landaulet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Unidentified cca 1913 Raceabout
Another fascinating photograph from our regular contributor Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania. This one has no background to help with identification. -- A number of our experts have had a look at this one and we have sent it to some of our external experts. No positive identification back. Best guess as most period photos from Florin feature American cars, this could be American and possibly a cca1913 Metz Model 22 Runabout.

Unidentified 1913 Raceabout possibly Metz
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