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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:  1903
Decauville !0HP RE Tonneau
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum asking for identification of the car. 'Even though from behind,
the car should be identifiable by the various mouldings around the
bonnet side. -– Not
one I could recognise but advised by Ariejan Bos that this is from the
French loco maker is a cca
1903 Decauville !0HP RE Tonneau, from
characteristic bonnet side panel. 1904 front was different.
Registration A 1989 is London County Council early 1904.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904
Leon Bollee Roi-des-Belges Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting asking for identificatio. Is it a Delahaye? --
Difficult so had to call in Ariejan Bos who advises this is an
early Leon
Bollée. Registration 126-II
(probably) indicates early 1904, Paris region. Early Léon Bollée
honeycomb radiators had a roundish shape, but the bonnet had humpy
shoulders. Not very elegant and changed in 1905 when the radiator
received the same two humpy shoulders to match the bonnet.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1906
Swift 10HP Tourer
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a
forum posting asking for identification. Rover ?--
It is
definitely not a Rover but although I recognised the car, I could not
quite put a name to it to define the model. Our Ariejan Bos in Holland,
who happily like me is surviving the virus, came to the rescue and
advised the car is 1906 10hp Swift. With this type of bonnet he looks
at Swift or Vulcan, but must check which one has the hand grip on the
bonnet; which is Vulcan!
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1907
Darracq 25'39 Tourer
Lovely photo received from Richard
Stannard (UK) of
great uncle Richard Stannard in a car in 1903 in Reigate where family
had a Garage in West Street, earliest suppliers of pumped fuel.
-- Regret
photo cannot be 1903 despite 1904 London registration because the car
is a cca
1907 Darracq 25'39 Tourer. This would
have been a 'cherished plate' transferred from earlier car as old
plates showed rich enough to have afforded a car when new and ultra
expensive. Rad used about one year.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908
Armstrong Whitworth Landaulette
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum asking for identification of the car in Ottawa, Canada. Is it a
Rolls Royce? -– Not
a Rolls, (then !) but another very unusual expensive British car having
unique latching radiator water filler cap. Made in Elswick by major UK
aero-armaments-loco-ship company, this is a cca
1908 Armstrong Whitworth Landaulette,
30 or 40HP. Cars became Siddeley Deasy, then Armstrong Siddeley,absorbed
by Rolls Roce Aero.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1909
Hispano Suiza 60'75 6cyl Tourer
Photo from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
friend Tim in USA asking for ID. Hispano Suiza ? - but what model?
-- Emilio de
la Cuadra started electric car production in Barcelona as La Cuadra.
Employed Swiss Marc Birkigt making IC cars. In 1902, ownership changed
becoming Hispano-Suiza, bankrupt in December 1903. Restructured in
1904, and running in Spain until 1946. 1911 Hispano France began in
Paris; by 1914 was their main plant. This seems cca
1909 Hispano Suiza 60'75 6cyl Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: C1910
Buchet Motorpace Stearsman
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum posting asking for the purpose of the chap in
front of the 'Pacer'? -- Cycle pacing was common
in late 1800s to make cyclists faster in long distance racing. Tandems
bikes were frequently used with up to five chaps pedaling. Motorcycle
pacing was popular and many accidents occurred. Motorpace had tandem
engines up to 2,400cc. The guy standing at back was engineer, -
chap up
front steered the device.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1914
Mercer Raceabout
Puzzling photo from Statler Gilfillen (USA) Grandfather Cleon Gilfillen in LA from
1912-17. Car
was in Santa Monica race, Feb 28, 1914. Similar car on your website as
Sunbeam GP. Same car/driver?-- Our
Ariejan Bos says car is not British but American, cca 1914 Mercer,
probably 35R. The car could have competed in the V American Grand Prize
in Santa Monica. A Mecer won and Mercer nr. 9 was present driven by
Huntley Gordon. Entry is marked NC 'not completed'; flagged lap 41.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1915
Packard 3-38 65HP Kegresse
In the process of researching my article
on Lenin's Rolls Royce
I came across this
photo of a car labelled " c. 1922
Vladimir Lenin’s Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost, modified with tracks and
skis." --
It is amazing the mount of rubbish and
totally wrong mis-information that is continuing to be disseminated by
'first ranking' internet organizations without anybody fully bothering
to check if the facts are actually valid, true or accurate. This is
actually Tsar Nicholas 1915
Packard 3-38 65HP Kegresse Tourer.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Possibly 1919 Napier Aero-Engined Car
Another puzzling photo received
from Mark Dawber
(New Zealand) from a forum posting asking for
identification. --
Size of car suggests it may be a aero
engined special with a Rolls Royce like radiator. Impressive
decapitation starting handle. The registration is London 1919 which
suggests just post WW1. The only mention we have been able to find is a
Motorsport photo suggestion that it may not be Mercedes or a Rolls
chassis. but a Napier
Test car with a Napier RAF3 260
HP V12 Engine.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1923
Neracar Type B Motorcycle
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from a forum posting asking for identification. Is it a
Ner-a-Car? -- Yes, a
centre hub steering feet forwards motorcycle by Carl Neracher in 1918
on basis of a 1911 Bi-Car design. Made in USA by the Ner-A-Car
in Syracuse, New York, who made 10,000
'Neracars', and under licence by UK Sheffield Simplex at Sopwith
Aviation Works in Kingston, who made an additional 6,500. USA machines
used 221 cc engines and UK 258cc.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1924
Citroen C3 5CV Cabriolet
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum of Old Photos asking for identification of the car. Is it a
Citroen? – Well known photo on a number
of Alamy and other picture gallery sites celebrating Britain’s second
white line in centre of the road in London in 1924. The first was in
Sutton Coldfield in 1921. The car is not identified on any of them. It
was made in Paris, France, is a cca 1924 Citroen C3 5CV
Cabriolet, with
a London CC registration of late 1924.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1924
Peugeot 5CV Quadrilette
Another puzzling photo received
from Mark Dawber
(New Zealand) from a forum posting asking for
identification.
- From the photo this very much resembled
the Citroen 5CV, LHD, so was likely French and from that era. Headlamps
on the wings and transverse front spring, on very small wire wheels.
Looks 2 seats, not tandem Initially looked at the Peugeot Bebe but this
is the later post WW1
cca 1924 Peugeot Type 172 Quadrilette
667cc. 12,300 cars built 1921-4. Called Peugeot 5CV.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1925
Sarolea 23T 500cc Motorcycle
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting asking for identification of motorcycle in Japan. --
Before Japan beat the world at motorcycles
in the 1950s because the bike is from our neck of the woods, Europe,
Belgium to be precise. Company started 1850 making bicycles and
weapons. Successful racing in 1920s. Closed 1963. New company 2008
making electric TT Racers!! This seems cca
1925 Sarolea 23T 500cc Motorcycle
advertised in Japan.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1925
De Dion Bouton 30HP Charabanc
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting indicated as a Citroen AC6G Char banc. Lot of bus for a
little engine? – Note rad is
considerably vee shaped and has crisp lines around the matrix. Citroen
from the earliest times had flat radiators and curved tops. Looks more
like a cca
1924 De Dion Bouton 30HP Charabanc
which could have bodies for up to 35 people. Railway viaduct over Loup
river in mountains above Nice. blown up by Germans in 1944.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1925
Ford Model T Fordor Sedan
Interesting group photo received from Adrian Pollitt (UK).
The date is around 1925-1927. Car is
obscured by the people so he hasn't found a match.
-- The car is
American but the location could well be England as car has a sidelight
on the wing. No visible springs so car has transverse suspension. As
to dating, it seems to have a lip to the
wings, few big rear louvers, three side window similar to the 'Tudor'
but has two doors each side, all advising this is posh cca 1925 Ford
Model T Fordor Sedan.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1925
Frazer Nash 1.5 Sports Rebodied
Another puzzling
photo received from Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum posting where this car is indicated as an Invicta. Mark thinks
Frazer Nash?
-- Iinteresting one because the answer could
be a bit of both! Lots of digging on the internet determined the full
registration was OM 9839. More digging found the same registration on
old photos of a
1925
Frazer Nash 1.5 Sports with
sporting polished aly boat-tail body. Study of both front suspensions
suggests re-bodied Frazer Nash.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1926
Coventry Eagle Flying 8
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum asking for identification?
Brough? -–
Registration seems to be FM or FN, both London CC 1925/1926. We thought
Brough Superiob but 'bikes man' Chas Moody advises this is cca1925/6
Coventry Eagle 'Flying 8' JAP 981 V
with distinctive cut-away front mudguard (unlike any Brough) and the
twin rear frame stays which could be some kind of rear suspension.
A1926 YN 290 Coventry Eagle sold Bonhams £65,000.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1932
Bentley 8L Mulliner Saloon
Interesting 'little & large' photo from David Lawson (UK)
of his father's 1932 Bentley 8L Mulliner
Saloon.
--Jack (John) Lawson, a businessman, who
lived in Chaclacayo, in Peru purchased the car in UK in c1957 and
shipped it to Peru. The car was a greyish but was re-painted in his
livery black and white in Peru. Father sold car in 1962 to a man in
Lima who later shipped it to New York in c1985. Became black.
Subsequently rebuilt and is now in the 'Jay Lano Garage'. See
interesting Video
of car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1937
Ford Special Saloon
Photo from Spain by Raoul Rainer (Germany),
and my attempt to remove people. --
Seems a Ford "special" made from
number of cars. Split screen back/front. No visible headlamps so
in-wing. Two side windows with rear window smaller, so probably
'two-door' as no rear hinges. Windows have chrome surrounds. Front end
probably a
cca 1937 Ford 78 Tudor
; middle doors from a 1935 Deluxe convertible. Rear 'coachbuilt' on a
Ford 'trunk-back' chassis. Rebuild of a rear-end shunt?
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: c1949
Ford Prefect Special?
ID above disagreed by Tony Russell who
with Ford sidevalve friend are positive front end is early circa 1949
Prefect E93a
UK with headlamps
re-located. The centre door is not Ford CX, but almost certainly home
made as is the whole rear of the body. The car is based on the generic
chassis and running gear of the Ford 10hp 1172cc E93a range. The wheels
standard 16 inch items as fitted to all the Prefect range from 1938 to
1949. Photo probably taken 1950's. Views
on this appreciated.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1938
Francis Barnett H47 250
Another puzzling photo received from
Mark Dawber (New
Zealand) from
a forum for identification of motorcycle and uniform? -–
Registration EYH 952 is London 1938. Motorcycle is 'Fanny Barnett' a c1938
Francis Barnett H43 250, Following
article on 'Wrens'
(W.R.N.S.), our 'bikes man' Chas Moody
suggests this uniform is 'Women's
Transport Services of the First Aid Nursing Yoemanry, which gained
somewhat unfortunate abbreviation of FANY. Uniform also separately
suggested by Rootchat.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:
1938 Hillman Minx Saloon
Another puzzling photo received from Mark Dawber (New Zealand)
from a
forum posting asking for identification. Standard ? --
No, from the unusually wide body stripe which extends along bonnet,
body, and down to bottom of the back suggests another British car
initially model known as the 'Magnificent'. In 1936 it got new
body which was retained largely unchanged to 1949. From the boot which
opens outwards and wheeltrimsx of smaller size this must be cca 1938
Hillman Minx Saloon.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1951
Morris Z Van
Couple of lovely photos of a cca
1951 Morris Z Van, with additional
single rear side window, belonging to Ananth in Chenai (India).
- He mentions Utilevan, a trade name of
Martin Walter Morris Y but this is not one of their conversions.
Morris made some 51,000 Z vans 1940-53 based on Morris E, widely
used by UK GPO Telephones. Military versions were called 'Tillys'
(utility) and a range of pickup coupe utes was made in Australia. Rear
side window was not normal, so could be home-made.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: Unknown
c1910 Tulip-bodied Tourer
Very puzzling family photo received from Steve Hartwich (USA)
taken in
Germany. His granny seems passenger in rear. -- Enquiry
already appeared on PreWarCar. Pool of obscure car identifiers is very
small. Suggestions so far of pre-WW1 NAG, Presto and Durkopp. Our
veterans expert Ariejan Bos has already advised PreWarCar his
suggestion that it is a cca 1910 NSU
Tourer. I have not been able to
find positive proof but bottom of HP161
a similar slatted rad photo remains unidentified.
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